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Re: planer power drive height adjustment?

 

Imran,

Sometimes I turn the AD741 power switch to OFF before shutting down the RPC, and sometimes I forget and the power switch is in the ON position when i power down the RPC. When I power the AD741 back up the DRO number is either at 20.0 or 0.785 regardless of where the bed is at. So it also switches between inches and mm between shutoffs. I'm not sure what the fix is, or if there is one? My unit is from 2004.

-Ameer


Re: Helping friend determine value of kf700 pro 2002

 

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I have a 2001 machine¡­ is your slider 8 foot or 9 foot? You can¡¯t really cut 8¡¯ sheets on an 8¡¯ machine without having the blade at full height and a 12¡± blade. I have some troubles with the 9 foot slider and a fence with clamps.

As for worth, based on older sales, I¡¯d guess in the $7500 range, but with the current situation on extended deliveries, that might go up a bit, especially depending upon accessories and condition.

Brian Lamb
blamb11@...
www.lambtoolworks.com




On Jul 26, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Meyer.keith25@... wrote:

looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Helping friend determine value of kf700 pro 2002

 

looking into purchasing a ?KF 700 pro, 2002 model from the friend and trying to determine value of it. It has the 8 foot sliding table and numerous attachments. It is in excellent shape and has been well cared for. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Re: For Sale: Clamp for Sliding Tenoning Table or other application

 

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??????If it mounts to a 30mm OD bar (I guess I can re-bore to 30mm if it is less than that) I will be happy to pay for shipping. I can use it on my FD250 for light work.

I got rid of felder eccentric clamp and mounted two 30mm vertical posts on FD250. Plan is to move just the horizontal part of my pneumatic clamps from K975 to FD250. With this, I can do light work without the hassle of moving the pneumatic clamps.

Imran

On Jul 26, 2021, at 10:53 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

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Hi, I assume it mounts on a vertical bar. If so, what OD bar is required?

Thanks, Imran

On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:46 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:

?I just got the dual MacClamp setup for my bolt on sliding table for my Shaper. ?The one that came with the slider is shown in the picture. ?No need for it, but I am thinking this may be of some value to a member. ?Willing to sell it for whatever the first person who posts (other than Randy who will say $0.02) says it should be worth plus shipping.

It fits into a 14x10x7 box with a shipping weight of 18 lbs. ?The slider is like the Panhans and I think it is a Hoffmann (not sure if I have the right number of "f" and "n" letters.
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Re: 3 Phase to 1Phase conversion - braked motors

 

I'm gonna *cough* here and ask at what point leaving the braking non-functional for your own personal use is an acceptable option. I've never had a bandsaw with a modern auto-brake, and I actually like it for running down into delicate work and modulating with a foot brake (when footbrake is part of the features of the saw already).?

Likewise I've had a couple of lathes that had their brakes rendered nonfunctional to enable further utility of the machines.?

Safety first. But it's worth evaluating how to best manage safety.?

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:21 AM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
I missed what model bandsaw but is the brake injection or mechanical?? A mechanical brake on the shaft or motor fan that engages when the power is cut is a different animal and requires a motor than can accept the mechanism.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Paul Curme <paul.curme@...>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:06 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [FOG] 3 Phase to 1Phase conversion - braked motors
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Machine in question is a bandsaw, so nothing fancy
If you want to convert a 3-phase machine that has a braked motor,?
can you change it to single phase without needing to change the electronics or do you need to change everything?

Thanks?

Paul



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Re: For Sale: Clamp for Sliding Tenoning Table or other application

 

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Hi, I assume it mounts on a vertical bar. If so, what OD bar is required?

Thanks, Imran

On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:46 PM, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:

?I just got the dual MacClamp setup for my bolt on sliding table for my Shaper. ?The one that came with the slider is shown in the picture. ?No need for it, but I am thinking this may be of some value to a member. ?Willing to sell it for whatever the first person who posts (other than Randy who will say $0.02) says it should be worth plus shipping.

It fits into a 14x10x7 box with a shipping weight of 18 lbs. ?The slider is like the Panhans and I think it is a Hoffmann (not sure if I have the right number of "f" and "n" letters.
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Re: For Sale: Clamp for Sliding Tenoning Table or other application

Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq.
 

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Randy is a cheapskate.? I will DOUBLE his offer

if shipping is included




On 7/25/21 9:46 PM, joelgelman via groups.io wrote:

I just got the dual MacClamp setup for my bolt on sliding table for my Shaper. ?The one that came with the slider is shown in the picture. ?No need for it, but I am thinking this may be of some value to a member. ?Willing to sell it for whatever the first person who posts (other than Randy who will say $0.02) says it should be worth plus shipping.

It fits into a 14x10x7 box with a shipping weight of 18 lbs. ?The slider is like the Panhans and I think it is a Hoffmann (not sure if I have the right number of "f" and "n" letters.


Re: 3 Phase to 1Phase conversion - braked motors

 

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I missed what model bandsaw but is the brake injection or mechanical?? A mechanical brake on the shaft or motor fan that engages when the power is cut is a different animal and requires a motor than can accept the mechanism.? Dave


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Paul Curme <paul.curme@...>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:06 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [FOG] 3 Phase to 1Phase conversion - braked motors
?
Machine in question is a bandsaw, so nothing fancy
If you want to convert a 3-phase machine that has a braked motor,?
can you change it to single phase without needing to change the electronics or do you need to change everything?

Thanks?

Paul


Re: 3 Phase to 1Phase conversion - braked motors

 
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Hi Paul,
I would take a look at the motor brake's requirement. Perhaps a 480/240V transformer with the correct kVA to a rectifier?would work (assuming the rest of the machine is 3x480V).
Example:?https://www.graybar.com/dry-type-transformer-general-purpose-1-phase-1-5-kva-240-x-480v-primary-120-240v-secondary-nema-1-3r/p/88251932

Chris


Re: 3 Phase to 1Phase conversion - braked motors

 

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There are many types of single phase motors and each needs to be connected a certain way to a brake controller. While it is technically possible to wire your 3 phase brake controller to a single phase motor, I suspect following.

1. Brake controller will set an error code and hopefully just go offline. I say hopefully, because Felder made at least one saw that won¡¯t start with a bad brake board.

2. Three phase brake board would be undersized for single phase motor of the same size unless you are able to diode OR the DC injection of 3 phases.

I am no expert on this topic but when my brake board went kaput I did some research on this topic. So FWIW, my assessment is that you are looking at an engineering project that may not end well. Personally, I would not attempt.

Imran

On Jul 26, 2021, at 3:06 AM, Paul Curme <paul.curme@...> wrote:

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Machine in question is a bandsaw, so nothing fancy
If you want to convert a 3-phase machine that has a braked motor,?
can you change it to single phase without needing to change the electronics or do you need to change everything?

Thanks?

Paul


Re: New Machine Day

 

Congrats Jared on your new toys...please do send more as you unpack and get them running.? Cute pix of the kiddo...she has a look on her face that says..."mmmm...Dad gets all these new toys...better be a great Holiday season for me" ;).

KRP


3 Phase to 1Phase conversion - braked motors

 

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Machine in question is a bandsaw, so nothing fancy
If you want to convert a 3-phase machine that has a braked motor,?
can you change it to single phase without needing to change the electronics or do you need to change everything?

Thanks?

Paul


Re: For Sale: Clamp for Sliding Tenoning Table or other application

 

Oh heck no..I would say its worth 10 cents plus shipping!! LOLEmojiEmoji

On Sunday, July 25, 2021, 06:46:20 PM PDT, joelgelman via groups.io <joelgelman@...> wrote:


I just got the dual MacClamp setup for my bolt on sliding table for my Shaper. ?The one that came with the slider is shown in the picture. ?No need for it, but I am thinking this may be of some value to a member. ?Willing to sell it for whatever the first person who posts (other than Randy who will say $0.02) says it should be worth plus shipping.

It fits into a 14x10x7 box with a shipping weight of 18 lbs. ?The slider is like the Panhans and I think it is a Hoffmann (not sure if I have the right number of "f" and "n" letters.


For Sale: Clamp for Sliding Tenoning Table or other application

 

I just got the dual MacClamp setup for my bolt on sliding table for my Shaper. ?The one that came with the slider is shown in the picture. ?No need for it, but I am thinking this may be of some value to a member. ?Willing to sell it for whatever the first person who posts (other than Randy who will say $0.02) says it should be worth plus shipping.

It fits into a 14x10x7 box with a shipping weight of 18 lbs. ?The slider is like the Panhans and I think it is a Hoffmann (not sure if I have the right number of "f" and "n" letters.


Re: Shaper talk F700z vs. F900z

 

when I was in the market, my Felder sales showed me changing of spindles on the 700 is easier than 900.?

I have variable speed and progammability on my SCM spindle moulder (SCM TI145EP), I think the programmability is really a time saver and you never have to wind it back/forward because you missed a digit/half/quarter of a digit. if you missed one piece then you have to manually reset your spindle moulder it really takes up valuable time, I am in my shop to make $$ not there to set machines, I can only spend 90 minutes a day in my shop because I have a daytime job, every second counts.

About the variable speed...? a lot of cutters have wide range of acceptance speed, you can pretty much stay on the same belt for a lot of times (for most cuts), to me I tend to think if its a lifetime machine, the upfront cost may seem a bit but over the lift of the machine its not that much.? if you spend a lot of time on the SM, have all sorts of cutters and change them frequently then you definitely need variable speed, I dont change the speed on my that often to justify the cost but I still have it because I personally hated changing belt.?



Re: Shaper talk F700z vs. F900z

 

I love variable speed as an option. But I don't find it imperative as many common cutters are in certain diameter ranges and rpms can remain consistent enough to manage without a lot of belt move nuisance. If staying budget friendly, no to vfd. If its the machine you will never regret paying for upfront, probably will say to your family it was worth the cost 10 years down the line.


On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 PM PK <paul.kellymjc@...> wrote:
Brett,

Both David and yourself make very strong arguments.? ?I do want to by a lifetime machine.

As a bonus, it seems as you move up the line, optional stuff becomes standard and softens the blow somewhat.

What are your opinions on variable speed?? Is that something to break, or an amazing feature?? Or is 5 speeds fine?

X-motion is more obviously, but the programmability seems really awesome and time saving?!? Anyone have thoughts on that?

Again TIA

PK


Re: planer power drive height adjustment?

 

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?Ameer,

? That really should not happen and would drive me nuts as DRO is my favorite feature. First a good RPC should not do that if you have the wild leg going only to the motor. I totally understand why you would want a faster method. Maybe you can mark the cutterhead at top with one of the blades at TDC at the bottom of cutterhead. This way you will get close to same result with your current method using a single calibrated 20mm setup board.

Out of curiosity, does the DRO show a random number, is slightly off or does it go to the same default value every time?

I assume you have already tried turning the RPC on/off with the main power switch on AD741 in the off position.

If it were me and I could conclusively determine that this is due to RPC and there are no damaged components in AD741, I would investigate if it is possible to incorporate a regulated PS for the related circuit/circuits. Especially, since I learned they are so cheap during my remote slider switch project.

Imran?

On Jul 25, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Ameer N. <highentropy@...> wrote:

?Imran,

Great follow up! I can see how that would really get the machine dialed in at 20mm.

My machine loses calibration every time I turn it off, perhaps this is because I run the machine off of a RPC? Therefore planing a board to 20mm each time and checking with calipers would leave me with a LOT of 20mm boards :P


Re: Shaper talk F700z vs. F900z

 

Brett,

Both David and yourself make very strong arguments.? ?I do want to by a lifetime machine.

As a bonus, it seems as you move up the line, optional stuff becomes standard and softens the blow somewhat.

What are your opinions on variable speed?? Is that something to break, or an amazing feature?? Or is 5 speeds fine?

X-motion is more obviously, but the programmability seems really awesome and time saving?!? Anyone have thoughts on that?

Again TIA

PK


Re: planer power drive height adjustment?

 

Imran,

Great follow up! I can see how that would really get the machine dialed in at 20mm.

My machine loses calibration every time I turn it off, perhaps this is because I run the machine off of a RPC? Therefore planing a board to 20mm each time and checking with calipers would leave me with a LOT of 20mm boards :P


Re: Ebay: Felder KF700S w/DROs, Aigner Fence, Bowmouldmaster, PF, shaper tooling and two dado blades

 

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Hi Brandon,

Thanks for the detailed post. I am sure it would be helpful to others.

On shims, I wonder if 2 narrower shims would work better because they can be much longer.

As you said perhaps duplicating the felder method is best. Sorry I did not measure that dimension.

Imran

On Jul 24, 2021, at 11:47 PM, Brandon Nickel <brandon.nickel@...> wrote:

?David, as Imran mentioned, I just moved a KF700 with the 10' tables from near Austin, TX to St Louis, MO. I certainly learned a few things.

First, whether you are moving 100 or 1000 miles probably doesn't matter. The packing has to be the same. As mentioned, I used a drop deck trailer. I found a couple of local rental places that had them. I only paid $195 for a full week rental. You might call around and look for more options. I found a single axle 6 x 10 "Air-tow". That was a lot cheaper than the dual axle options and the 7000lb capacity was more than adequate.

My machine has the wheel kit and I was able to easily roll it right onto the trailer. Before I left home I made a wood deck out of 2x6s so that I had something to screw into the shipping brackets that Imran was kind enough to mail me. To keep the wood deck from shifting I blocked it against the sides and front of the trailer. I sliced another 2x6 at a 15¡ã angle to make a ramp to allow rolling the machine on top of the wood deck. I also brought along a bunch of 2x4 and 2x6 pieces to block the trailer. I ended up using them to set the saw on so that the weight was off the wheel kit which I didn't want to remove. A floor jack the owner had was very helpful for getting those blocks in place.

Once in place I soaked the cast iron table down in . It's basically Cosmoline. As Imran mentioned, I wedged the table ends using the 3D printed shims I'd made in advance. I had made 3 sets (34-35mm, 35-36, and 36-37), based on the dimensions Imran gave me for his saw. Turns out my saw was about 37.5mm so I used the smallest plastic shim and then added two pine wedges on top. I was very careful not to drive them in too hard. However, one set came loose during my 1000 mile trip, so make sure they're at least solidly in place. There's no great way to secure them. You might put some tape over them once they're in place to prevent them coming out during a bounce. Then I used as much 24" shrink wrap as I thought was reasonable to cover the table and wrap the saw. I paid extra attention to the ends of the sliding table. Once the shrink wrap was in place I installed 8 "Made in the USA" tie-down straps from the saw chassis to the tie-down rings on the trailer. I used the vertical studs under the sliding table mount and the cast iron table. Between those and the steel hold-down brackets, I felt very confident it wasn't going anywhere.?

Then I added the heavy-duty tarp of the whole assembly. That turned out to be the biggest hassle. I tried tying it down with 550 paracord and a few ratchet straps, but there was no great way to secure it. After the first couple miles on the highway it was obvious I needed to add a LOT more ratchet straps. I stopped at Home Depot and bought a pile of the $1.75 15' versions. I had 8 good ones on the saw and another 16 cheap ones holding the tarp tight from flapping. If you can just avoid moving in the rain, I recommend avoiding the tarp entirely.

The rest of the trip was pretty uneventful. The trailer was pretty bouncy and only after I arrived did I discover that the rental place had given me incomplete instructions. They told me to turn off the master power switch when I wasn't using the hydraulics. They failed to mention that also supplies power to the air suspension. So, I'm pretty sure that my ride was much rougher than it needed to be because the air suspension was not pumped up. If you get a drop deck with air suspension, make sure that you have the power on when in motion.

If I was doing it again, I would probably make some 3D printed shims that fit in the X-Roll bearings instead of under the table. That's what Felder shows in the manual. I haven't had a chance to measure and draw something for that. It should be a very simple square tapering in two dimensions. If you've got some time, I can measure mine, draw them up and send you the file, or even make a set and mail them to you.

I also have not completely reassembled the saw, so I'm not sure in what condition it arrived. I had to order a few straight edges and more dial indicators so that I can follow David Best's alignment procedure. Hopefully I didn't bend anything.

Let me know if you have any questions. This group is great! I can't thank Imran enough for his helpful posts before and after my trip.

-Brandon






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