I have it as low as it will go. Still 50 thousands above TDC.?
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Re: Electrical Problem with CF731 Pro
Hello Greg,
I sent you an email yesterday morning regarding your machine's electrical problem. ??
david
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I had this problem once. After a lot of checking, I realized I did not lower the planer table quite enough and the outfeed table was slightly high when set up in the jointer configuration. Lifting the outfeed table, lowering the planer table and relowering the outfeed table fixed the problem. ?Hope your problem is as simple.?
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On Jan 21, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Hamish Casimir <hamishcasimir@...> wrote:
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Okay, Is the low end still aligned with cutter head, or is one corner out?
Hamish,
Please see response below. I believe the infeed table is ?low on the far end. I have had this machine for almost a year and this is a new issue. Thanks for your help!
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On Jan 20, 2021, at 11:19 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ? Greg,
From what I gather, for each motor circuit, there is a connector between the selector switch and the motor. This is where you plugged shaper motor into table saw cable from selector switch and it did not work. Similarly, tablesaw motor plugged into the shaper cable from selector switch worked. To me this shows that the issue is between the selector switch and the cable connector on the table saw circuit.
Check the connector to ensure pins are not bent and shorted (I do not know if this is possible as I do not know what the inside of this connector looks like).
Check each wire from this connector, all the way to the selector switch to make sure wire insulation is not compromised resulting in a short between wires or between a wire and machine chassis.
I am assuming there is nothing but wire between selector switch and this connector. If there is another component (relay, etc) then that needs to be checked out.
Imran
On Jan 20, 2021, at 10:38 PM, Greg Goldin <goldinarch@...> wrote:
?Hi Imran,
What is the connector?
I took the wires off the stop switches for my table saw (the factory installed switch and one I installed to operate the saw from the sliding table).? With the wires dangling, as expected, the entire machine would not operate.? It was as if the a stop button was N/O.? I then tied the wires together, avoiding the switches, and, just as expected, the same malfunction occurred.?
I did notice, however, that the K-2 relay closed.? But K-1, which is downstream and latches to send the 3 phases to the motors, did not close, so no action on that motor.
Will the strangeness ever cease.
Tomorrow, time permitting, I'm going to review every wire that I diagrammed to see where the "as is" diverges from the Felder wiring diagram.
Thanks again, Imran!
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Okay, Is the low end still aligned with cutter head, or is one corner out?
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Hamish,
Please see response below. I believe the infeed table is ?low on the far end. I have had this machine for almost a year and this is a new issue. Thanks for your help!
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You are setting the table level with the top of the insert cutting? arc, correct?? Dave
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I had not been in the shop for a couple of months due to a surgery and when I used it the outfeed table ?appeared to be ?high. I tried to lower the outfeed table according to the setup guide and It is still about 52 thousands over the head ( not the inserts).
I haven¡¯t got to the infeed table yet. ?Like I said I am out of my element here.
Thanks,
JT?
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Hamish,
Please see response below. I believe the infeed table is ?low on the far end. I have had this machine for almost a year and this is a new issue. Thanks for your help!
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I had not been in the shop for a couple of months due to a surgery and when I used it the outfeed table ?appeared to be ?high. I tried to lower the outfeed table according to the setup guide and It is still about 52 thousands over the head ( not the inserts). I haven¡¯t got to the infeed table yet. ?Like I said I am out of my element here.
Thanks,
JT?
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Were you getting issues? with the machine's performance before you noticed the tables were not coplanar?
Are you only concerned with the tables in relation to the cutterhead, and each other table? Or are we also dealing with a rise or sagging of one or more of the tables at the ends of each table
I ask this because the tolerances to achieve excellent cuts is probably a lot more than you would first think. Most tables are not absolutely perfectly aligned, due to very slight warps in the castings, yet the machines manage to be able to produce flat and
true board faces.
As you have already started to tinker, its quite possible you are in already chasing your tail trying to attain unobtainable precision. Hope I will be able to help when I understand your situation a bit better. I am confident you will be able to get optimal
performance, unless there is a serious manufacturing error, or post production damage.
Hamish.
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Can someone tell me where to find the specs for the A3-31. My infeed/outfeed are no longer co-planer. I am trying to setup the outfeed table and would like to know the distance to the cutter head. I won¡¯t lie I am struggling with this. I did find the ?A3-31
adjustment guide. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
John Terry
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I would just adjust the outfeed to be parallel to the cutter head. So when you raise or lower the outfeed table so it doesn't hit the cutters/blades. Then adjust the in-feed to be co-planar to the outfeed table. Not sure what the actually spec is but I won't get to wound around the axle about it.?
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Thanks for sharing this, However I still don¡¯t see what the tolerance is from the outfeed table to the cutter head.
Thanks,
JT
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?This was shared here some time ago
Imran
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This was shared here some time ago
Imran
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Can someone tell me where to find the specs for the A3-31. My infeed/outfeed are no longer co-planer. I am trying to setup the outfeed table and would like to know the distance to the cutter head. I won¡¯t lie I am struggling with this. I did find the ?A3-31 adjustment guide. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
John Terry
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Re: Start Capacitor Value
Ariel,
I have even heard of blank ICs with no silicon whatsoever, LOL
I retired end of 2019 and prior to that our company split into Aptiv and Delphi Technologies (which was later acquired by Borg Warner). Anyhow, as a result Delphi T built a new plant in Suzhou where my product was built. Due to stop and start we had part shortage issues in startup. I spent bunch of time just making sure we got good parts.
Imran
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On Jan 21, 2021, at 2:36 PM, ahazi <ariel.hazi@...> wrote: ?Imran, you are right about potential counterfeit of electronic components, it has a history that goes back to the 80's with memory chips being "remarked" and later on with more silicon products either copied with very loose spec or rejected IC dies that were packaged, marked and sold as good components. Big issue with supply chain from China.
It is a big problem these days on Amazon especially with LiOn batteries so I can assume that the problem might exist now with passive components too including switches. eBay is a good source if you are very careful with the supplier and if you have properly calibrated expectations.
Digi-Key and Mouser are both good sources. I knew them fairly well 15+ years ago when they licensed my software product to manage their product catalogs.
Ariel
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Imran, you are right about potential counterfeit of electronic components, it has a history that goes back to the 80's with memory chips being "remarked" and later on with more silicon products either copied with very loose spec or rejected IC dies that were packaged, marked and sold as good components. Big issue with supply chain from China.
It is a big problem these days on Amazon especially with LiOn batteries so I can assume that the problem might exist now with passive components too including switches. eBay is a good source if you are very careful with the supplier and if you have properly calibrated expectations.
Digi-Key and Mouser are both good sources. I knew them fairly well 15+ years ago when they licensed my software product to manage their product catalogs.
Ariel
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I should think? that some enterprising? person? would long ago?
have? started churning out 3-d printer versions of these things.
My Hammer? ZCI iused to be a real PITA? to make but I figured?
out how to produce them? more efficiently with? fixturing? on the
router table.? Now that I'm running a full size vertical knee mill
I'll prolly take the job to the milling machine and speed it up
even more.
There's a guy who sells the ZCI for hammer machines for? almost
$70,? not a price I'd pay.??
On 1/19/21 11:25 PM, Mark Kessler
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So I decided I needed a zci for the new k940, thought I
would get away without one but here I am... I reached out to
David Best as I knew he had made one for the kappa. The k940
saw unit, top casting and 3 plastic segments appear to be
the same however I have the LED lights so wasn¡¯t sure if
David would be willing to modify his design and if it would
be worth the time/cost to do so. After a few back and forth
emails David decided to not take it on, a few key dimensions
were slightly different and could require a few iterations
to get it right which I agreed.?
David was so kind in allowing me to use his drawings,
however after I started to model it and compared it to my
parts in hand it wasn¡¯t adding up so I had to abandon the
drawings given and just start from scratch from my actual
parts.
So the first task was to model the LED section first as
it is the most difficult to work out, then 3d print, check
fit and make adjustments (done) After that 3d print all
the parts to confirm (tomorrow) and finally have machined
in aluminum (tbd)
The other unknown was how was the LED installed, the
only way to find out was to remove it which would
obviously void the warranty but after studying the elect
schematic and looking at the parts drawings I convinced
myself that it was no big deal and easy to fix if I
screwed up the LED strip.?
So here are some progress pics... note, the 3d printed
LED section is short due the the 3D printer bed not being
long enough, a bolt hole is missing so it is not tight
against the cast...
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Below is the auto
score feature in action with the as delivered LED
section?
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Hi Paul,
My pet hate too!? The gap in between the tables, always seems you want to mount the fence right in it! They used to make a fence extension that could be used here it was part no EZ A(14/14)? I tried to get one years ago but Felder told me they didn't have any and weren't re-stocking!
It features in the1997/8 accessories brochure.
Regards,? Martin.
On Thursday, 21 January 2021, 14:30:38 GMT, Paul Curme <paul.curme@...> wrote:
As I have the machine in pieces at the moment I have been going through the list of annoyances and inconveniences that I recall when I was last using the machine in anger.
Top of that list was the inability to fit an extension to the front of the thicknesser table which is not fixable on the 10" thicknesser.
Second is the 6 inch gap between the saw table and the planner table that prevents the rip fence traversing smoothly across the full range of the dovetail.
I'm not talking about trying to replace the entire metal plate just a section at the saw end.
Obviously some clearance between the extension and the planner table but no more than 5-6mm.
Has anyone installed an infill or extension piece between the saw table and the planner table on a BF6 Combination machine, either S Coupling or F Coupling and how did you go about mounting it,
bolted to the edge of the saw table or mounted on studs to the machine chassis?
Any thought or engineering opinion on which is the best approach?
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Martin,?
I had forgotten about the old cast iron clamp on extension,?
I'm pretty sure that the cast extension in the drawing bolted to the planner table on the 6-41, and was only available in the F coupling.
Could you send the whole parts drawing? so I can figure it out.
Thanks
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Paul,?
I think Felder originally had a bent piece hey of U channel ?than later came out with a cast block with f couplings. They bolted table
edge ?they made s to s ?and s to f think
 
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Designing and building for 50 years
On Jan 21, 2021, at 8:37 AM, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
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Paul,
? Aigner makes a couple of mounting adapters
Dave Davies
As I have the machine in pieces at the moment I have been going through the list of annoyances and inconveniences that I recall when I was last using the machine in anger.
Top of that list was the inability to fit an extension to the front of the thicknesser table which is not fixable on the 10" thicknesser.
Second is the 6 inch gap between the saw table and the planner table that prevents the rip fence traversing smoothly across the full range of the dovetail.
I'm not talking about trying to replace the entire metal plate just a section at the saw end.
Obviously some clearance between the extension and the planner table but no more than 5-6mm.
Has anyone installed an infill or extension piece between the saw table and the planner table on a BF6 Combination machine, either S Coupling or F Coupling and how did you go about mounting it,
bolted to the edge of the saw table or mounted on studs to the machine chassis?
Any thought or engineering opinion on which is the best approach?
--
Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Job site saw recommendation?
On 1/21/21 9:54 AM, Bill James via groups.io wrote: if well supported infeed and outfeed I should think that all that other stuff must become fastened securely? to the saw thus adding to its mass.?? It's either that or the saw will rattle around? inside the confines of the external tables
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Jterry
imran
David