Martin, I would appreciate a copy of the same document if you are willing to share it.

My nut and bolt overhaul is taking a lot longer than expected so any short cuts would be a much appreciated.

Richard if your machine is.stored in an unheated space I would recommend installing a small tube heater or ceramic heater with a frost thermostat inside the casing that keeps the machine? at 5 degrees.
Coupled with a good cover then is saves a lot of degradation problems from poor environmental conditions
Had i been able to store mine in a space with power for the heater? then all I would be doing is changing bearings.

Sent from my Windows Phone

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From: Martin Guiver via groups.io
Sent: ?08/?01/?2021 20:27
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Adjusting jointer tables on BF6 #jointerplaner

Hi Richard?

Firstly I can commiserate with you being in the garage... me too!

You’ve been given good advice though and it’s all on the right lines!

I’ve had to do it a couple of times and yes it is a juggling game as you adjust one element and then the others go out and you keep going round in circles!

However there is a correct procedure and it’s easier when you take that route!

I managed to get copies of the engineers set up manual and it made so much more sense as it involves the saw table, blade holder,blades, out feed and in-feed tables, let me know how I can send you the relevant and I’ll be happy to help!

Do you have the manual that comes with the machine? As you’ll probably need that as well!

It’s shocking that these set up procedures are not supplied with the machine!

Regards Martin?

On 8 Jan 2021, at 14:26, Paul Curme <paul.curme@...> wrotefirs:

?

Richard a pair of DTI's on magnetic bases would be the ideal tools for setting the outfeed table

?if you can lay your hands on them.

It will show you straight away if there is movement as you are tightening anything, especially with the hood removed.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of richard_markham@... via <richard_markham@...>
Sent: 08 January 2021 14:14
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Adjusting jointer tables on BF6 #jointerplaner

?

Thanks Paul,

I have the exploded drawings.

I'll have a good look today. It's chilly here in my garage!

I don't mind spending days on doing it, as long as I am doing it right! It should only need doing once.

Hi Richard?

Firstly I can commiserate with you being in the garage... me too!

You’ve been given good advice though and it’s all on the right lines!

I’ve had to do it a couple of times and yes it is a juggling game as you adjust one element and then the others go out and you keep going round in circles!

However there is a correct procedure and it’s easier when you take that route!

I managed to get copies of the engineers set up manual and it made so much more sense as it involves the saw table, blade holder,blades, out feed and in-feed tables, let me know how I can send you the relevant and I’ll be happy to help!

Do you have the manual that comes with the machine? As you’ll probably need that as well!

It’s shocking that these set up procedures are not supplied with the machine!

Regards Martin?

On 8 Jan 2021, at 14:26, Paul Curme <paul.curme@...> wrotefirs:

?

Richard a pair of DTI's on magnetic bases would be the ideal tools for setting the outfeed table

?if you can lay your hands on them.

It will show you straight away if there is movement as you are tightening anything, especially with the hood removed.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of richard_markham@... via <richard_markham@...>
Sent: 08 January 2021 14:14
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FOG] Adjusting jointer tables on BF6 #jointerplaner

?

Thanks Paul,

I have the exploded drawings.

I'll have a good look today. It's chilly here in my garage!

I don't mind spending days on doing it, as long as I am doing it right! It should only need doing once.

On Jan 8, 2021, at 11:06 AM, Paul Curme <paul.curme@...> wrote:

?With the demise of the 6 Series compatible outrigger table and swing arm has anyone come up with a way of fitting the later Swing arm and table to this series of machine.

Granted it will require a fabricated mounting bracket for the arm and some machining to the table.

If someone has trodden this road before could they share the details before I spend the time working this out.

Thanks

On Jan 9, 2021, at 4:06 AM, Paul Curme <paul.curme@...> wrote:

?

Yes,? those are the ones.

Sent from my Windows Phone

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From: richard_markham@... via groups.io
Sent: ?09/?01/?2021 09:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Adjusting jointer tables on BF6 #jointerplaner

So I belive these are the adjusters? There are 2 allen bolts on each table hinge/slide. Each bolt goes through 2 round pins, which I assume raise or lower that side of the slide and therefore adjust the angle on the table fore and aft.

On 9 Jan 2021, at 12:51, bacchus6015 via <joeinno@...> wrote:

Roger,

Felder still uses single phase motors that do not have centrifugal switches. ?

Although on my FB 600 bandsaw even though there was a big sticker on it that said it was necessary to hold down the switch the motor did have a centrifugal switch. ?

My CF731 shared a start and a run capacitor for three motors so it was necessary to hold the start button to keep the start cap in the circuit until the motor reached full speed. ?

Joe

On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:13 AM, Roger S <rsinden@...> wrote:

?Annu, I suggest that you speak to a technician who knows what he is talking about. ? Holding down the start button went out with centrifugal switches years ago.

Do the other functions work OK ? If they do then that kinda rules out the capacitors I would have thought.

I hope you get it sorted.?

Roger

On 8 Jan 2021, at 20:15, annu.marwaha@... wrote:

Talked with the felder folk...gonna replace both the start and run capacitors. ?The electrical smell seems to be coming from that general area. ?Fingers crossed....

On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:13 AM, Roger S <rsinden@...> wrote:

?Annu, I suggest that you speak to a technician who knows what he is talking about. ? Holding down the start button went out with centrifugal switches years ago.

Do the other functions work OK ? If they do then that kinda rules out the capacitors I would have thought.

I hope you get it sorted.?

Roger

On 8 Jan 2021, at 20:15, annu.marwaha@... wrote:

Talked with the felder folk...gonna replace both the start and run capacitors. ?The electrical smell seems to be coming from that general area. ?Fingers crossed....

On 9 Jan 2021, at 10:11, Martin Guiver <martin.guiver@...> wrote:

?I’m thinking it’s worth about ?2000

I wouldn’t expect much more for my 631 with all the tooling and extensions etc. Felder still sell the cast iron s coupling table extensions for about ?200

Should you buy it... you bet you should and probably be looking to part with about ?1500 something like $1200 . Belts aren’t a problem nor bearings!

Make the offer and walk away.... it’s the best he’ll get!

Martin?

On 9 Jan 2021, at 02:45, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?

I assume it comes with at least one shaper spindle and there is a xcut and rip/jointer fence. If it has F coupling you may be able to at least make a auxiliary table like this.

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Felder no longer makes it but it is a wonderful table if one does not have space for an outrigger or in your situation. I have one for my KF.

I will let people more familiar with older machines chime in with recommendations.

BTW, the nicks on slider edge near blade are common - at least based upon 2 saws that I have. I do not think it is possible for the slider to actually come in contact with the blade in normal running condition. I have them on my slider but have not actually seen it happen. I believe the blade flexes in a bad situation during ripping. The few times i have had chunks of wood fly off (one still embedded in drywall for keepsakes) the first concern is safety so if it happened then I did not realize it.

Imran

On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:01 PM, Benjamin Thompson via groups.io <scribbleben@...> wrote:

?

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello Felder group!

I looked at 1994 BF6-26 today. It has a 10" planer / jointer, single trunnion slider with no outrigger, table saw and shaper. It's 220V / single phase. No mortiser.

It's a hobbyist machine that's been through two owners. It has no tooling to speak of and doesn't look like it's been all that well maintained, nor has it been used by very expert hands (the slider has had a few run-ins with a tilted blade.

Everything is level and square. Nothing's frozen, everything moves, all motors work. Planer knives are clean, no knicks. I didn't put a dial indicator on the blade, but the was no vibration. While I was testing it out the jointer cutting head stopped moving while the motor kept going. The current keeper (his elderly neighbor gave it to him) and I figure a belt broke.?

I'm interested, but given the recent threads about end of service / lack of inventory for the BF series and how expensive parts are getting, I'm wary.

I'm sure it would clean up and run fine for another generation or two. But…

Reason's I'm interested…

• My shop shares our two car garage with--two cars. Space is at a premium.
• The build quality and versatility--even at this age--seem superior to comparable machines from delta or jet--plus--a slider!
• It's 14 miles from my house
• I may need to anchor a small freighter in heavy seas some day

My other option would be a cabinet saw and a planer/jointer combo like the 80's era makita / hitachi's that I could roll out of the way. I could handle many of my shaper tasks with my routers.

As I said above, the machine was given to the current by a neighbor who passed away. He doesn't really want it / need it. He's asking $4500. I'm thinking a lot less.?

I'd love to hear what the experts think.

Here are some pictures of the beast:



Thanks!

ben

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On 8 Jan 2021, at 20:15, annu.marwaha@... wrote:

Talked with the felder folk...gonna replace both the start and run capacitors. ?The electrical smell seems to be coming from that general area. ?Fingers crossed....

On 9 Jan 2021, at 02:45, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:

?

I assume it comes with at least one shaper spindle and there is a xcut and rip/jointer fence. If it has F coupling you may be able to at least make a auxiliary table like this.

<image0.jpeg>

Felder no longer makes it but it is a wonderful table if one does not have space for an outrigger or in your situation. I have one for my KF.

I will let people more familiar with older machines chime in with recommendations.

BTW, the nicks on slider edge near blade are common - at least based upon 2 saws that I have. I do not think it is possible for the slider to actually come in contact with the blade in normal running condition. I have them on my slider but have not actually seen it happen. I believe the blade flexes in a bad situation during ripping. The few times i have had chunks of wood fly off (one still embedded in drywall for keepsakes) the first concern is safety so if it happened then I did not realize it.

Imran

On Jan 8, 2021, at 9:01 PM, Benjamin Thompson via groups.io <scribbleben@...> wrote:

?

[Edited Message Follows]

Hello Felder group!

I looked at 1994 BF6-26 today. It has a 10" planer / jointer, single trunnion slider with no outrigger, table saw and shaper. It's 220V / single phase. No mortiser.

It's a hobbyist machine that's been through two owners. It has no tooling to speak of and doesn't look like it's been all that well maintained, nor has it been used by very expert hands (the slider has had a few run-ins with a tilted blade.

Everything is level and square. Nothing's frozen, everything moves, all motors work. Planer knives are clean, no knicks. I didn't put a dial indicator on the blade, but the was no vibration. While I was testing it out the jointer cutting head stopped moving while the motor kept going. The current keeper (his elderly neighbor gave it to him) and I figure a belt broke.?

I'm interested, but given the recent threads about end of service / lack of inventory for the BF series and how expensive parts are getting, I'm wary.

I'm sure it would clean up and run fine for another generation or two. But…

Reason's I'm interested…

• My shop shares our two car garage with--two cars. Space is at a premium.
• The build quality and versatility--even at this age--seem superior to comparable machines from delta or jet--plus--a slider!
• It's 14 miles from my house
• I may need to anchor a small freighter in heavy seas some day

My other option would be a cabinet saw and a planer/jointer combo like the 80's era makita / hitachi's that I could roll out of the way. I could handle many of my shaper tasks with my routers.

As I said above, the machine was given to the current by a neighbor who passed away. He doesn't really want it / need it. He's asking $4500. I'm thinking a lot less.?

I'd love to hear what the experts think.

Here are some pictures of the beast:



Thanks!

ben

<IMG_2639.JPG>

<IMG_2638.JPG>

On Jan 8, 2021, at 1:22 PM, James Zhu <james.zhu2@...> wrote:

?

Tom,

Thanks for the explanation, Mafell's double miter fence is really cool.

I was watching the miter joint cut video for the different width stock yesterday, really impressed by the simple way based on parallelogram (no angle calculation)?demonstrated?in the video.

James

?

?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:05 PM <tom@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi James!?

Yeah, the MFA is a really neat fence. It's funny, you can catch glimpses of me in the video you posted (crossed arms, Snickers trousers). In this video I'm helping to demonstrate using the Mafell bandsaw for compound miters. Not bad for a first try. ?

The fence has a sort of eccentric motion as you swing it through the various miter degrees, so it's length compensated at any given degree, not just predetermined points. Really neat, but really best suited for 1x material, and it's indexed for the Mafell fences, if you change the fence it monkeys with the geometry and I'm sure you'd lose the length compensation.?

EDIT: The Mafell MFA has its stock short fences, but can utilize 1m fences that utilize flop stops. The 1m fences can be extended indefinitely using a joining bar, the 1m fence is marked to work with the MFA, but does not start at "0", so any extra extensions beyond the first will not be able to use the stock scale as applied by Mafell, though I suppose you could retrofit something for the fence extensions.?

For reference, I do own a ERIKA 70 with MFA and nearly every accessory, and when I ordered my KF700 I did opt for the Miter Index System with Length Compensation for larger pieces that I didn't think were suitable for cutting with the ERIKA....?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN

On Jan 8, 2021, at 8:14 AM, richard_markham@... via groups.io <richard_markham@...> wrote:

?Thanks Paul,

I have the exploded drawings.

I'll have a good look today. It's chilly here in my garage!

I don't mind spending days on doing it, as long as I am doing it right! It should only need doing once.