Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
David,
see this message for DIY solution:
alternatively, you can replace your tilt bracket with one supplied by felder with gas strut. just make sure it is compatible with your machine
imran?
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 9:45 AM, David Pepke <davidpepke@...> wrote: ? Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
Michael - no, I havent?- but sounds like I should get one. Where did you get it?
David
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
David-
Do you have the gas strut on the powerfeed lift? That is probably a #1 must have option IMO on combo shapers because the powerfeed is really heavy otherwise but it fairly easy to manage with the strut safely. Takes fairly minimal effort with the strut. Just
make sure you have everything locked down before you start moving it.?
I use my feeder very often but it depends on what you do. I do long linear runs where the powerfeed excels quite often- mouldings, door parts. Not used on template work or crosscuts.?
Michael Tagge
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I have power drive in my KF700SP - and couldnt be happier. Used to work at a place with a non-power drive Felder saw - and the power drive is well worth the money. I use it daily and it really helps when you are going back and forth between setups
- which you are, because its a combo.?
I agree that lifting the power feeder is really awkward and dangerous. I'm 36 and pretty strong - but it can overpower me - and leads me to using manual feeds more often than not. I just dont?want the hassle of lifting and setting up the feeder. I would not
buy the feeder on a KF700SP, if I was to do it again.?
On a separate?shaper - I would definitely get a feeder.
David
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Re: Felder slotting cutter
Wider blade with an exact 4mm vs 3.4mm. Seems like a super niche product to me. Went with a flat top tip blade but haven’t had the opportunity to use it yet, all my cuts have been managed by the Felder adjustable groovers this far.?
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?Anyone have experience with the Felder slotting cutter? Looking to use it as a joinery blade for cutting tenons, bridle joints anywhere i might want a flat bottom cut. Is there an advantage to the slotting cutter over a rip with FTC?
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:54 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Anyone have experience with the Felder slotting cutter? Looking to use it as a joinery blade for cutting tenons, bridle joints anywhere i might want a flat bottom cut. Is there an advantage to the slotting cutter over a rip with FTC?
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:46 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? mark,
i am pretty sure if is the same board with parameters that allow it to be used for saw or shaper. my question was whether a single board is used vs two separate ones for saw and shaper? i wondered about this because per David, it appears that, all saw/shapers have power drive for both functions.
imran
On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Imran, I would doubt they make a separate board for the saw, saw/shaper or what we have, (we could be the exception though) where I work our temperature control products have different features depending on what the customer buys, some of it enabled buy buying a license and inputing the code on the controller head other features require additional hardware to work but the boards are all the same, easier to manage EOL, the contractor that builds the boards and product development.? On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:11 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? David,
my K975 has motorized blade elevation w/o DRO and i believe Mark K mentioned his K700 had the same. it may be, as you mentioned, that felder does not offer it on saw/shapers. that is good to know. do you know if a single electronic board is used for both saw and shaper?
imran
On Nov 22, 2020, at 11:55 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? I have never seen a Felder saw/shaper with motorized blade elevation that did not have a DRO indicating blade height. ?Such an option is not listed in any of the Felder spec sheets I have access to. ?Below is a photo of the control panel for Power Drive on a KF700 taken right off the Felder web site. ?My Dual 51, Profil 45, and K975 all have (or had in the case of the K975) Power Drive and the “tapping” concern by fumble-fingered Carl is way over blown. ?Jeez, they even give you a button to tap on for 0.1mm adjustments.
I replaced the Power Drive positioning control board in my Profil 45 when the rotary phase converter over-voltage fried the board because the wrong fuse type had been installed at the factory. ?This incident was the primary reason I dumped the rotary and went to Phase Perfect. ? As I recall, the control board was about $300. ?It is the same control board that is used on all the machines, and the replacement part I received was pre-programmed for a saw, so after installation I had to delve into the parameters and change a few settings. ?Documentation for this was scant, but it wasn’t rocket science figuring it out either. ?Looking up a few german words is to be expected in situations like this if a Felder tech isn’t available for phone consultation. ?The biggest challenge replacing the board was getting access to it - on my 2005 Profil 45 the board is behind the switch panel and not in the electronics cabinet. ?Getting those plastic bezel panels off and back on again required eighteen 22” long fingers. ? Since this positioning control board is used on all the basic Felder machines, it’s seen years of field time and is probably pretty rock solid and likely to be available as a spare for some time.
i would 2nd Mark’s thought on motorized blade elevation without DRO. i have the same setup on K975 and it is tedious if you need to set exact blade height. while cool, i think it should be either manual or motorized with DRO - power drive in felder lingo. i have power drive on dual51 and tapping works fine.
imran? ? I have the power drive on the ad941 j/p and the dumbed down version of it on the k700s.
On the ad941 i had a little bit of a hard time with the “tap” at first but doesn’t take the long to get the hang of of it, i will say that seems a bit more troubling in decimal than mm, i only use mm...
The saw, the dumbed down version as I call it is the version that has no digital readout and is for the blade up and down only - the tilt is the dial indicator, I would not recommend that configuration, when you try to dial in the exact height of the blade it’s hard to get it where you want without trial and error, you would be better off with manual and a dial indicator.
From what I understand the powerdrive is pretty robust and accurate, i did inquire about the cost of replacing the board if it failed and was told it is something like $200 - $300. You should expect a good 10 years on a quality built circuit board these days and really much longer, i work in industrial controls now and we have similar build quality boards in super harsh conditions (talking unconditioned, exposed to elements in India, Africa to name a few but pretty much every location on earth and 24/7 operations) that last 10 years. A lot of boards if not all these days can also be repaired if you know what to look for, use to be that these boards were one offs now mostly a commodity item. I am not at all concerned with powerdrive level electronics...
Digi drive is a different story so someone else with experience would have to comment on that.?
I would think with the saw shaper you would want the power drive for ease of shaper setup but I am not a combo guy for saw shaper....
The k940s that is replacing my k700s will be power drive with all dro, i am an ex professional furniture/millwork maker but now hobby some commission and i think the powerdrive is basically $1500 and full dro $1500 and totally worth it over the long hall. I figure at best I have 25-30yrs left of woodworking so not alot in the scheme of things... ? [Edited Message Follows]
Well, I spent some time this week with Carl @Felder in Anaheim.? Decided on a configuration I think.? Waiting on a quote.? KF700SP if it is possible to get it in single phase with a 9' slider. I am really torn about power drive.? Carl had lots of thoughts around going manual.? The tap feature does seem annoying, but I haven't lived with it to know. What does everyone think?? For a hobby WW?? Is it something to break?? How much more is the cost (power drive vs 4 dial indicators)??? Help... PK
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
Mark,
on a side note, in my 30 yrs of designing an engine control module(ECM), many times it appeared that we could just have 3 or 4 products and serve our entire clientele but it never materialized. even though, an ECM has become a commodity item from BOM to sale price point of view, everyone wants their own design.
i agree same is not true in other industries.
imran
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote: ? Imran, I would doubt they make a separate board for the saw, saw/shaper or what we have, (we could be the exception though) where I work our temperature control products have different features depending on what the customer buys, some of it enabled buy buying a license and inputing the code on the controller head other features require additional hardware to work but the boards are all the same, easier to manage EOL, the contractor that builds the boards and product development.? On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:11 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? David,
my K975 has motorized blade elevation w/o DRO and i believe Mark K mentioned his K700 had the same. it may be, as you mentioned, that felder does not offer it on saw/shapers. that is good to know. do you know if a single electronic board is used for both saw and shaper?
imran
On Nov 22, 2020, at 11:55 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? I have never seen a Felder saw/shaper with motorized blade elevation that did not have a DRO indicating blade height. ?Such an option is not listed in any of the Felder spec sheets I have access to. ?Below is a photo of the control panel for Power Drive on a KF700 taken right off the Felder web site. ?My Dual 51, Profil 45, and K975 all have (or had in the case of the K975) Power Drive and the “tapping” concern by fumble-fingered Carl is way over blown. ?Jeez, they even give you a button to tap on for 0.1mm adjustments.
I replaced the Power Drive positioning control board in my Profil 45 when the rotary phase converter over-voltage fried the board because the wrong fuse type had been installed at the factory. ?This incident was the primary reason I dumped the rotary and went to Phase Perfect. ? As I recall, the control board was about $300. ?It is the same control board that is used on all the machines, and the replacement part I received was pre-programmed for a saw, so after installation I had to delve into the parameters and change a few settings. ?Documentation for this was scant, but it wasn’t rocket science figuring it out either. ?Looking up a few german words is to be expected in situations like this if a Felder tech isn’t available for phone consultation. ?The biggest challenge replacing the board was getting access to it - on my 2005 Profil 45 the board is behind the switch panel and not in the electronics cabinet. ?Getting those plastic bezel panels off and back on again required eighteen 22” long fingers. ? Since this positioning control board is used on all the basic Felder machines, it’s seen years of field time and is probably pretty rock solid and likely to be available as a spare for some time.
i would 2nd Mark’s thought on motorized blade elevation without DRO. i have the same setup on K975 and it is tedious if you need to set exact blade height. while cool, i think it should be either manual or motorized with DRO - power drive in felder lingo. i have power drive on dual51 and tapping works fine.
imran? ? I have the power drive on the ad941 j/p and the dumbed down version of it on the k700s.
On the ad941 i had a little bit of a hard time with the “tap” at first but doesn’t take the long to get the hang of of it, i will say that seems a bit more troubling in decimal than mm, i only use mm...
The saw, the dumbed down version as I call it is the version that has no digital readout and is for the blade up and down only - the tilt is the dial indicator, I would not recommend that configuration, when you try to dial in the exact height of the blade it’s hard to get it where you want without trial and error, you would be better off with manual and a dial indicator.
From what I understand the powerdrive is pretty robust and accurate, i did inquire about the cost of replacing the board if it failed and was told it is something like $200 - $300. You should expect a good 10 years on a quality built circuit board these days and really much longer, i work in industrial controls now and we have similar build quality boards in super harsh conditions (talking unconditioned, exposed to elements in India, Africa to name a few but pretty much every location on earth and 24/7 operations) that last 10 years. A lot of boards if not all these days can also be repaired if you know what to look for, use to be that these boards were one offs now mostly a commodity item. I am not at all concerned with powerdrive level electronics...
Digi drive is a different story so someone else with experience would have to comment on that.?
I would think with the saw shaper you would want the power drive for ease of shaper setup but I am not a combo guy for saw shaper....
The k940s that is replacing my k700s will be power drive with all dro, i am an ex professional furniture/millwork maker but now hobby some commission and i think the powerdrive is basically $1500 and full dro $1500 and totally worth it over the long hall. I figure at best I have 25-30yrs left of woodworking so not alot in the scheme of things... ? [Edited Message Follows]
Well, I spent some time this week with Carl @Felder in Anaheim.? Decided on a configuration I think.? Waiting on a quote.? KF700SP if it is possible to get it in single phase with a 9' slider. I am really torn about power drive.? Carl had lots of thoughts around going manual.? The tap feature does seem annoying, but I haven't lived with it to know. What does everyone think?? For a hobby WW?? Is it something to break?? How much more is the cost (power drive vs 4 dial indicators)??? Help... PK
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Anyone have experience with the Felder slotting cutter? Looking to use it as a joinery blade for cutting tenons, bridle joints anywhere i might want a flat bottom cut. Is there an advantage to the slotting cutter over a rip with FTC?
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
mark,
i am pretty sure if is the same board with parameters that allow it to be used for saw or shaper. my question was whether a single board is used vs two separate ones for saw and shaper? i wondered about this because per David, it appears that, all saw/shapers have power drive for both functions.
imran
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote: ? Imran, I would doubt they make a separate board for the saw, saw/shaper or what we have, (we could be the exception though) where I work our temperature control products have different features depending on what the customer buys, some of it enabled buy buying a license and inputing the code on the controller head other features require additional hardware to work but the boards are all the same, easier to manage EOL, the contractor that builds the boards and product development.? On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:11 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? David,
my K975 has motorized blade elevation w/o DRO and i believe Mark K mentioned his K700 had the same. it may be, as you mentioned, that felder does not offer it on saw/shapers. that is good to know. do you know if a single electronic board is used for both saw and shaper?
imran
On Nov 22, 2020, at 11:55 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? I have never seen a Felder saw/shaper with motorized blade elevation that did not have a DRO indicating blade height. ?Such an option is not listed in any of the Felder spec sheets I have access to. ?Below is a photo of the control panel for Power Drive on a KF700 taken right off the Felder web site. ?My Dual 51, Profil 45, and K975 all have (or had in the case of the K975) Power Drive and the “tapping” concern by fumble-fingered Carl is way over blown. ?Jeez, they even give you a button to tap on for 0.1mm adjustments.
I replaced the Power Drive positioning control board in my Profil 45 when the rotary phase converter over-voltage fried the board because the wrong fuse type had been installed at the factory. ?This incident was the primary reason I dumped the rotary and went to Phase Perfect. ? As I recall, the control board was about $300. ?It is the same control board that is used on all the machines, and the replacement part I received was pre-programmed for a saw, so after installation I had to delve into the parameters and change a few settings. ?Documentation for this was scant, but it wasn’t rocket science figuring it out either. ?Looking up a few german words is to be expected in situations like this if a Felder tech isn’t available for phone consultation. ?The biggest challenge replacing the board was getting access to it - on my 2005 Profil 45 the board is behind the switch panel and not in the electronics cabinet. ?Getting those plastic bezel panels off and back on again required eighteen 22” long fingers. ? Since this positioning control board is used on all the basic Felder machines, it’s seen years of field time and is probably pretty rock solid and likely to be available as a spare for some time.
i would 2nd Mark’s thought on motorized blade elevation without DRO. i have the same setup on K975 and it is tedious if you need to set exact blade height. while cool, i think it should be either manual or motorized with DRO - power drive in felder lingo. i have power drive on dual51 and tapping works fine.
imran? ? I have the power drive on the ad941 j/p and the dumbed down version of it on the k700s.
On the ad941 i had a little bit of a hard time with the “tap” at first but doesn’t take the long to get the hang of of it, i will say that seems a bit more troubling in decimal than mm, i only use mm...
The saw, the dumbed down version as I call it is the version that has no digital readout and is for the blade up and down only - the tilt is the dial indicator, I would not recommend that configuration, when you try to dial in the exact height of the blade it’s hard to get it where you want without trial and error, you would be better off with manual and a dial indicator.
From what I understand the powerdrive is pretty robust and accurate, i did inquire about the cost of replacing the board if it failed and was told it is something like $200 - $300. You should expect a good 10 years on a quality built circuit board these days and really much longer, i work in industrial controls now and we have similar build quality boards in super harsh conditions (talking unconditioned, exposed to elements in India, Africa to name a few but pretty much every location on earth and 24/7 operations) that last 10 years. A lot of boards if not all these days can also be repaired if you know what to look for, use to be that these boards were one offs now mostly a commodity item. I am not at all concerned with powerdrive level electronics...
Digi drive is a different story so someone else with experience would have to comment on that.?
I would think with the saw shaper you would want the power drive for ease of shaper setup but I am not a combo guy for saw shaper....
The k940s that is replacing my k700s will be power drive with all dro, i am an ex professional furniture/millwork maker but now hobby some commission and i think the powerdrive is basically $1500 and full dro $1500 and totally worth it over the long hall. I figure at best I have 25-30yrs left of woodworking so not alot in the scheme of things... ? [Edited Message Follows]
Well, I spent some time this week with Carl @Felder in Anaheim.? Decided on a configuration I think.? Waiting on a quote.? KF700SP if it is possible to get it in single phase with a 9' slider. I am really torn about power drive.? Carl had lots of thoughts around going manual.? The tap feature does seem annoying, but I haven't lived with it to know. What does everyone think?? For a hobby WW?? Is it something to break?? How much more is the cost (power drive vs 4 dial indicators)??? Help... PK
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
Imran, I would doubt they make a separate board for the saw, saw/shaper or what we have, (we could be the exception though) where I work our temperature control products have different features depending on what the customer buys, some of it enabled buy buying a license and inputing the code on the controller head other features require additional hardware to work but the boards are all the same, easier to manage EOL, the contractor that builds the boards and product development.?
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:11 AM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? David,
my K975 has motorized blade elevation w/o DRO and i believe Mark K mentioned his K700 had the same. it may be, as you mentioned, that felder does not offer it on saw/shapers. that is good to know. do you know if a single electronic board is used for both saw and shaper?
imran
On Nov 22, 2020, at 11:55 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
? I have never seen a Felder saw/shaper with motorized blade elevation that did not have a DRO indicating blade height. ?Such an option is not listed in any of the Felder spec sheets I have access to. ?Below is a photo of the control panel for Power Drive on a KF700 taken right off the Felder web site. ?My Dual 51, Profil 45, and K975 all have (or had in the case of the K975) Power Drive and the “tapping” concern by fumble-fingered Carl is way over blown. ?Jeez, they even give you a button to tap on for 0.1mm adjustments.
I replaced the Power Drive positioning control board in my Profil 45 when the rotary phase converter over-voltage fried the board because the wrong fuse type had been installed at the factory. ?This incident was the primary reason I dumped the rotary and went to Phase Perfect. ? As I recall, the control board was about $300. ?It is the same control board that is used on all the machines, and the replacement part I received was pre-programmed for a saw, so after installation I had to delve into the parameters and change a few settings. ?Documentation for this was scant, but it wasn’t rocket science figuring it out either. ?Looking up a few german words is to be expected in situations like this if a Felder tech isn’t available for phone consultation. ?The biggest challenge replacing the board was getting access to it - on my 2005 Profil 45 the board is behind the switch panel and not in the electronics cabinet. ?Getting those plastic bezel panels off and back on again required eighteen 22” long fingers. ? Since this positioning control board is used on all the basic Felder machines, it’s seen years of field time and is probably pretty rock solid and likely to be available as a spare for some time.
i would 2nd Mark’s thought on motorized blade elevation without DRO. i have the same setup on K975 and it is tedious if you need to set exact blade height. while cool, i think it should be either manual or motorized with DRO - power drive in felder lingo. i have power drive on dual51 and tapping works fine.
imran? ? I have the power drive on the ad941 j/p and the dumbed down version of it on the k700s.
On the ad941 i had a little bit of a hard time with the “tap” at first but doesn’t take the long to get the hang of of it, i will say that seems a bit more troubling in decimal than mm, i only use mm...
The saw, the dumbed down version as I call it is the version that has no digital readout and is for the blade up and down only - the tilt is the dial indicator, I would not recommend that configuration, when you try to dial in the exact height of the blade it’s hard to get it where you want without trial and error, you would be better off with manual and a dial indicator.
From what I understand the powerdrive is pretty robust and accurate, i did inquire about the cost of replacing the board if it failed and was told it is something like $200 - $300. You should expect a good 10 years on a quality built circuit board these days and really much longer, i work in industrial controls now and we have similar build quality boards in super harsh conditions (talking unconditioned, exposed to elements in India, Africa to name a few but pretty much every location on earth and 24/7 operations) that last 10 years. A lot of boards if not all these days can also be repaired if you know what to look for, use to be that these boards were one offs now mostly a commodity item. I am not at all concerned with powerdrive level electronics...
Digi drive is a different story so someone else with experience would have to comment on that.?
I would think with the saw shaper you would want the power drive for ease of shaper setup but I am not a combo guy for saw shaper....
The k940s that is replacing my k700s will be power drive with all dro, i am an ex professional furniture/millwork maker but now hobby some commission and i think the powerdrive is basically $1500 and full dro $1500 and totally worth it over the long hall. I figure at best I have 25-30yrs left of woodworking so not alot in the scheme of things... ? [Edited Message Follows]
Well, I spent some time this week with Carl @Felder in Anaheim.? Decided on a configuration I think.? Waiting on a quote.? KF700SP if it is possible to get it in single phase with a 9' slider. I am really torn about power drive.? Carl had lots of thoughts around going manual.? The tap feature does seem annoying, but I haven't lived with it to know. What does everyone think?? For a hobby WW?? Is it something to break?? How much more is the cost (power drive vs 4 dial indicators)??? Help... PK
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
I have power drive in my KF700SP - and couldnt be happier. Used to work at a place with a non-power drive Felder saw - and the power drive is well worth the money. I use it daily and it really helps when you are going back and forth between setups - which you are, because its a combo.?
I agree that lifting the power feeder is really awkward and dangerous. I'm 36 and pretty strong - but it can overpower me - and leads me to using manual feeds more often than not. I just dont?want the hassle of lifting and setting up the feeder. I would not buy the feeder on a KF700SP, if I was to do it again.?
On a separate?shaper - I would definitely get a feeder.
David
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
David,
my K975 has motorized blade elevation w/o DRO and i believe Mark K mentioned his K700 had the same. it may be, as you mentioned, that felder does not offer it on saw/shapers. that is good to know. do you know if a single electronic board is used for both saw and shaper?
imran
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On Nov 22, 2020, at 11:55 PM, david@... via groups.io <david@...> wrote: ? I have never seen a Felder saw/shaper with motorized blade elevation that did not have a DRO indicating blade height. ?Such an option is not listed in any of the Felder spec sheets I have access to. ?Below is a photo of the control panel for Power Drive on a KF700 taken right off the Felder web site. ?My Dual 51, Profil 45, and K975 all have (or had in the case of the K975) Power Drive and the “tapping” concern by fumble-fingered Carl is way over blown. ?Jeez, they even give you a button to tap on for 0.1mm adjustments.
I replaced the Power Drive positioning control board in my Profil 45 when the rotary phase converter over-voltage fried the board because the wrong fuse type had been installed at the factory. ?This incident was the primary reason I dumped the rotary and went to Phase Perfect. ? As I recall, the control board was about $300. ?It is the same control board that is used on all the machines, and the replacement part I received was pre-programmed for a saw, so after installation I had to delve into the parameters and change a few settings. ?Documentation for this was scant, but it wasn’t rocket science figuring it out either. ?Looking up a few german words is to be expected in situations like this if a Felder tech isn’t available for phone consultation. ?The biggest challenge replacing the board was getting access to it - on my 2005 Profil 45 the board is behind the switch panel and not in the electronics cabinet. ?Getting those plastic bezel panels off and back on again required eighteen 22” long fingers. ? Since this positioning control board is used on all the basic Felder machines, it’s seen years of field time and is probably pretty rock solid and likely to be available as a spare for some time.
i would 2nd Mark’s thought on motorized blade elevation without DRO. i have the same setup on K975 and it is tedious if you need to set exact blade height. while cool, i think it should be either manual or motorized with DRO - power drive in felder lingo. i have power drive on dual51 and tapping works fine.
imran? ? I have the power drive on the ad941 j/p and the dumbed down version of it on the k700s.
On the ad941 i had a little bit of a hard time with the “tap” at first but doesn’t take the long to get the hang of of it, i will say that seems a bit more troubling in decimal than mm, i only use mm...
The saw, the dumbed down version as I call it is the version that has no digital readout and is for the blade up and down only - the tilt is the dial indicator, I would not recommend that configuration, when you try to dial in the exact height of the blade it’s hard to get it where you want without trial and error, you would be better off with manual and a dial indicator.
From what I understand the powerdrive is pretty robust and accurate, i did inquire about the cost of replacing the board if it failed and was told it is something like $200 - $300. You should expect a good 10 years on a quality built circuit board these days and really much longer, i work in industrial controls now and we have similar build quality boards in super harsh conditions (talking unconditioned, exposed to elements in India, Africa to name a few but pretty much every location on earth and 24/7 operations) that last 10 years. A lot of boards if not all these days can also be repaired if you know what to look for, use to be that these boards were one offs now mostly a commodity item. I am not at all concerned with powerdrive level electronics...
Digi drive is a different story so someone else with experience would have to comment on that.?
I would think with the saw shaper you would want the power drive for ease of shaper setup but I am not a combo guy for saw shaper....
The k940s that is replacing my k700s will be power drive with all dro, i am an ex professional furniture/millwork maker but now hobby some commission and i think the powerdrive is basically $1500 and full dro $1500 and totally worth it over the long hall. I figure at best I have 25-30yrs left of woodworking so not alot in the scheme of things... ? [Edited Message Follows]
Well, I spent some time this week with Carl @Felder in Anaheim.? Decided on a configuration I think.? Waiting on a quote.? KF700SP if it is possible to get it in single phase with a 9' slider. I am really torn about power drive.? Carl had lots of thoughts around going manual.? The tap feature does seem annoying, but I haven't lived with it to know. What does everyone think?? For a hobby WW?? Is it something to break?? How much more is the cost (power drive vs 4 dial indicators)??? Help... PK
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
I have never seen a Felder saw/shaper with motorized blade elevation that did not have a DRO indicating blade height. ?Such an option is not listed in any of the Felder spec sheets I have access to. ?Below is a photo of the control panel for Power Drive on a KF700 taken right off the Felder web site. ?My Dual 51, Profil 45, and K975 all have (or had in the case of the K975) Power Drive and the “tapping” concern by fumble-fingered Carl is way over blown. ?Jeez, they even give you a button to tap on for 0.1mm adjustments.
I replaced the Power Drive positioning control board in my Profil 45 when the rotary phase converter over-voltage fried the board because the wrong fuse type had been installed at the factory. ?This incident was the primary reason I dumped the rotary and went to Phase Perfect. ? As I recall, the control board was about $300. ?It is the same control board that is used on all the machines, and the replacement part I received was pre-programmed for a saw, so after installation I had to delve into the parameters and change a few settings. ?Documentation for this was scant, but it wasn’t rocket science figuring it out either. ?Looking up a few german words is to be expected in situations like this if a Felder tech isn’t available for phone consultation. ?The biggest challenge replacing the board was getting access to it - on my 2005 Profil 45 the board is behind the switch panel and not in the electronics cabinet. ?Getting those plastic bezel panels off and back on again required eighteen 22” long fingers. ? Since this positioning control board is used on all the basic Felder machines, it’s seen years of field time and is probably pretty rock solid and likely to be available as a spare for some time.
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i would 2nd Mark’s thought on motorized blade elevation without DRO. i have the same setup on K975 and it is tedious if you need to set exact blade height. while cool, i think it should be either manual or motorized with DRO - power drive in felder lingo. i have power drive on dual51 and tapping works fine.
imran? ? I have the power drive on the ad941 j/p and the dumbed down version of it on the k700s.
On the ad941 i had a little bit of a hard time with the “tap” at first but doesn’t take the long to get the hang of of it, i will say that seems a bit more troubling in decimal than mm, i only use mm...
The saw, the dumbed down version as I call it is the version that has no digital readout and is for the blade up and down only - the tilt is the dial indicator, I would not recommend that configuration, when you try to dial in the exact height of the blade it’s hard to get it where you want without trial and error, you would be better off with manual and a dial indicator.
From what I understand the powerdrive is pretty robust and accurate, i did inquire about the cost of replacing the board if it failed and was told it is something like $200 - $300. You should expect a good 10 years on a quality built circuit board these days and really much longer, i work in industrial controls now and we have similar build quality boards in super harsh conditions (talking unconditioned, exposed to elements in India, Africa to name a few but pretty much every location on earth and 24/7 operations) that last 10 years. A lot of boards if not all these days can also be repaired if you know what to look for, use to be that these boards were one offs now mostly a commodity item. I am not at all concerned with powerdrive level electronics...
Digi drive is a different story so someone else with experience would have to comment on that.?
I would think with the saw shaper you would want the power drive for ease of shaper setup but I am not a combo guy for saw shaper....
The k940s that is replacing my k700s will be power drive with all dro, i am an ex professional furniture/millwork maker but now hobby some commission and i think the powerdrive is basically $1500 and full dro $1500 and totally worth it over the long hall. I figure at best I have 25-30yrs left of woodworking so not alot in the scheme of things... ? [Edited Message Follows]
Well, I spent some time this week with Carl @Felder in Anaheim.? Decided on a configuration I think.? Waiting on a quote.? KF700SP if it is possible to get it in single phase with a 9' slider. I am really torn about power drive.? Carl had lots of thoughts around going manual.? The tap feature does seem annoying, but I haven't lived with it to know. What does everyone think?? For a hobby WW?? Is it something to break?? How much more is the cost (power drive vs 4 dial indicators)??? Help... PK
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
Just a thought,? If you screw a strap of steel to two roof trusses and have a magnetic mount you can move side to side and angle easily.
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Re: Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
I have powerdrive on my first Felder and I insisted on powerdrive for the second machine when shopping used.? The tap is not that annoying. I suspect
a tap is a perfect increment in metric and when set for imperial it’s not a consistent imperial move.
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]>
On Behalf Of PK
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 10:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Would you buy a combo Shaper/Saw?
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Well,
I spent some time this week with Carl @Felder in Anaheim.? Decided on a configuration I think.? Waiting on a quote.
I am really torn about power drive.? Carl had lots of thoughts around going manual.? The tap feature does seem annoying, but I haven't lived with it to know.
What does everyone think?? For a hobby WW?? Is it something to break?? How much more is the cost (power drive vs 4 dial indicators)???
Help...
PK
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Wow that's great. I would buy that in a instant for that price. There are not that many options for resaw feeders and they are so important. I have some homemade pressure wheels and use a power feeder with it at times. But it's too much setup for both. When you go to the Lenox carbide you will not believe the difference. It will be hard to go back to plain steel blades.
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
The Leica unit I have is a Leica Lino Ls-1.? Photo attached.? Price in Oz was just under A$300.
I thought I had a photo of the original set up in my old shop that I sent to my nephew Lucky, but as usual google won't let me find it.
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020, 8:17 am Chris Perren, < cperren@...> wrote: Thanks Uncle Clint.? I thought the cost may be too good to work for my needs.? Any photo of your current setup with the Leica unit.? I’m assuming the cost is much more for a quality laser. ?? Thanks,
Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ? Hi Chris
The short answer is...no.
I purchased a similar laser to this one first because it was so cheap. It was good enough to establish the principle but not strong and the line thickened quickly.? Hence the Leica unit.
Ten foot ceilings.... Clearly the closer you mount the laser to the work the better your line will be.? High enough not to interfere with the operator or materials.
I brought my mount down to just over 7 feet.
No photos as this was in my previous shop.
Good morning Uncle Clint
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020, 7:18 am Chris Perren, < cperren@...> wrote: Will this laser produce a crisp line if mounted from a 10 ft ceiling? ? A difference of 6 feet from the saw.? Thanks,
Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ?No need to do much hacking:
It includes power supply and a mount.
Ariel
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
Thanks – I’m going to give it spin… worse case its $50 on a proof of concept. ? Regards, ? Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Lamb Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 5:05 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Laser Kerf Line for slider saw? ? In the ad it says1-2mm wide at 1m, and 2-3mm wide at 3m. So I’m guessing about 2mm, and given your blade is about 3mm, that should be fine enough. ? On Nov 22, 2020, at 1:17 PM, Chris Perren <cperren@...> wrote: ? Will this laser produce a crisp line if mounted from a 10 ft ceiling? ? A difference of 6 feet from the saw.? ?No need to do much hacking:
It includes power supply and a mount.
Ariel
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
In the ad it says1-2mm wide at 1m, and 2-3mm wide at 3m. So I’m guessing about 2mm, and given your blade is about 3mm, that should be fine enough.
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On Nov 22, 2020, at 1:17 PM, Chris Perren < cperren@...> wrote:
Will this laser produce a crisp line if mounted from a 10 ft ceiling? ? A difference of 6 feet from the saw.? Thanks,
Chris Perren 512-415-6951 ?No need to do much hacking:
It includes power supply and a mount.
Ariel
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
That would work, just not sure how visible these Chinese lasers are if the shop is bright. Somebody will have to give it a try and see.
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No need to do much hacking:
It includes power supply and a mount.
Ariel
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