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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
I have not used that disc sander, but I've been using a hand cranked one for years. I teach a class on making Shaker oval boxes every summer on a picnic table in the woods. It became the solution for fitting tops and bottoms very accurately, and quite quickly if you did a decent job cutting out with the coping saw. Mine is a converted Wards Master hand cranked grinder. I replaced the sharpening wheel with a plywood disc where the sandpaper is applied. I built a table fixture around it dedicated to the 3 degree bevel that we use on the parts. The grinder is geared so that you can crank a little and let it coast if you are just fine tuning. Everyone who's used it loves the thing. If only I could find a solution for dust collection!
I've been using the JDS Multirouter for nearly 25 years. One thing it can do that the Pantorouter can't is be a very fast production machine. When equipped with the pneumatic clamps, you can process chair parts at an alarming rate once you've got a setup. You couldn't do it any faster without spending exponentially more money on a twin table 5 axis CNC. I don't have any experience with a tenoner to know if that's a solution, but those are huge, single purpose machines not many of us have the space for. I mill brass and aluminum on the JDS.? Using a shop made jig which is essentially a vertical table, I can machine very small delicate parts like pickup rings for the guitars I build. I love that they use Thomson linear rails and bearings. The thing stays accurate year after year without any slop. I've never had a DRO on mine and I get by fine, but I'm sure I'd never go back if I installed it. It would be a slippery slope to have to add those all over the shop. Maybe as my eyes get worse... I've thought of multiple improvements that could be made over the years, but they fall on deaf ears over at JDS. Now that they've been sold maybe things will change? I wouldn't be without one in the shop, or two or three. Down to just two now. Jason Jason Holtz J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 |
Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Standalone slot mortisers can cut deeper mortise (more than 2" for traditional M&T joinery on door and table) than MultiRouter does. Festool Domino XL is a handheld slot mortiser paired with their fixed sized tenon (70mm is the deepest tenon you can use). I think you are referring to this post? on SMC, at that price (US$2900), I do not think it is a deal, I would rather buy a brand new Multi Router. Who cares about the steel stand, cabinet, 1.5HP used router, and used router bits? As a woodworker, I am sure anyone can design a better stand with a cabinet to suit their own needs. Darrel Peart on IG has lots of posts about how he uses his MultiRouter, he has two DRO on his MR, it is really handy to rout precise mortise at any size. MultiRouter's build does look more robust than PantoRouter. If there is a deal out there (like under $1800), I will buy it for sure. But the brand new price at $2995 without router and template, adding the Canadian tax (13%), is hard for me to swallow. There is no dust collection on MultiRouter whatsoever, unbelievable and terrible for a 30+ years old product. For MultiRouter owners, I think a $99 PantoRouter dust collection hood is needed (), LOL. James On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 7:28 PM David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
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Re: separate jointer planer
A941 and A951 may look similar to their combo brethren but since there is no hinge i would not dismiss them by saying that they will suffer from similar problems. unless of course there is data to support that.
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i bought used dual51 and get dead flat boards. i have not bothered to adjust tables even though there is some room for adjustment from my measurements i did when i purchased it. i did adjust the open/close joint knob and set it to neutral.
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i did learn after some time that some boards are going to move due to tension in the wood and may not ever get flat. as for thickness whenever i have measured, each side of the board, i have seen little or no variation. i just planned 2x10 cypress and saw 0.002¡± variation in thickness side to side.
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imran
On Nov 2, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
Hi,
I read all the advices about going separate if you can as well as the inherent issues with the combo design for adjustment of the top tables, especially infeed (planer as called by Felder). I do have a A3-31 and did not mess yet with the infeed adjustment beyond the two securing bolt on the side opposite of the hinge. As my technic improve and I can dismiss my technic as the cause for bad jointing result, I might go tickle with the hinge side adjustment. I might also go separate. So, looking at the Felder documentation, there is no standalone planer (as called by Felder). The A941 or A951L seems to have the same design and thus same issues as the AD941 and AD951. For fellows who went separate which planer did you buy? By planer I mean get one side of a board dead flat. Thanks, Bill? |
Re: Can anyone recommend a better flexible hose for my Felder Stuff?
#dustcollection
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýhi jim, some of us looking for flexible and collapsible hose have used this inside the saw cabinet. it is available in 4¡± / 5¡± and likely more sizes but that is all i cared about. see link for FOG thread. i got a 5¡± hose from woodcraft that is really tough, it is flexible (bigger radius turns) but not collapsing. POWERTEC 70220 PVC Dust Collection Hose (5 Inch x 10 Feet) | Flexible Clear Vue Heavy Duty PVC Hose https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKMP1YX/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_bLaOFbXP6176Q imran? On Nov 2, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Jim Voos <daikubt@...> wrote:
?Hi gang, Long time since my last post :-( I need to replace my second Felder hose that literally disintegrated from the heat here in Wine Country.? Any quality hoses that you would recommend?? |
separate jointer planer
Hi,
I read all the advices about going separate if you can as well as the inherent issues with the combo design for adjustment of the top tables, especially infeed (planer as called by Felder). I do have a A3-31 and did not mess yet with the infeed adjustment beyond the two securing bolt on the side opposite of the hinge. As my technic improve and I can dismiss my technic as the cause for bad jointing result, I might go tickle with the hinge side adjustment. I might also go separate. So, looking at the Felder documentation, there is no standalone planer (as called by Felder). The A941 or A951L seems to have the same design and thus same issues as the AD941 and AD951. For fellows who went separate which planer did you buy? By planer I mean get one side of a board dead flat. Thanks, Bill? |
Re: Can anyone recommend a better flexible hose for my Felder Stuff?
#dustcollection
I got?MasterDuct PUR-F Hose and it is way better than the hose sold by Nordfab. No complaint so far, but I am not in Wine Country I am in the southeast.
Bill |
Re: Felder F38 feeder repair
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýhi Dennis, i looked at my vario4 manual and noted that it covers all models. i do not see any exploded diagrams. if you have any for your feeder you may consider sharing here. you may receive some feedback. imran? On Nov 2, 2020, at 6:52 AM, dyclist@... wrote:
?Hi Imran, No master link, they all look the same.?? I used to ride bicycles a lot when I was younger and did my own bike maintenance.? All the links in the chain are the same, so to remove a bike chain, you can "break" any link. If I don't hear anything, maybe I'll try to do this.? There's just not much space in the feeder to break and re-assemble the chain. Dennis |
Re: Felder F38 feeder repair
Hi Imran,
No master link, they all look the same.?? I used to ride bicycles a lot when I was younger and did my own bike maintenance.? All the links in the chain are the same, so to remove a bike chain, you can "break" any link. If I don't hear anything, maybe I'll try to do this.? There's just not much space in the feeder to break and re-assemble the chain. Dennis |
Can anyone recommend a better flexible hose for my Felder Stuff?
#dustcollection
Hi gang,
Long time since my last post :-( I need to replace my second Felder hose that literally disintegrated from the heat here in Wine Country.? Any quality hoses that you would recommend?? |
Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
I too am following this thread.? David is my benchmark and I find it interesting that he felt it necessary to add the DRO to his multirouter.? JDS even thinks the Accruate?height DRO is a needed option.? From a functionality standpoint how do these compare to standalone machines like the Felder/Griggio/Make slot mortisers?? Festool Domino for that matter?? I see there is a multirouter?for sale on sawmillcreek now without any templates so I'd assume he primarily used his machine for basic slotting operations? Thanks, Dave Davies On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 5:52 PM David Luckensmeyer <dhluckens@...> wrote:
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThanks for all the comments. It has been a very interesting thread. I¡¯m quite interested in the comparisons between the panto router and the multi router, and whether one can do something the other can¡¯t. I have not used either, and my understanding is simply that the one is more robust than the other, and obviously has a very different price tag. Maybe like comparing a Kappa 400 with a Delta Unisaw? (I use that comparison only because I¡¯ve owned and used both very extensively.) They both cut wood, but they are really rather different animals with rather different price tags.Thanks again, Lucky
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Re: Felder F38 feeder repair
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDennis, i do not know anything about F38 but just a thought, is there a removable link on the chain? maybe that is what you mean by breaking the chain. just a thought. imran On Nov 1, 2020, at 6:22 PM, dyclist@... wrote:
?I have a seldom used F38 feeder that needs repair.? I set it up the other day and turned it on without a load or any pressure.? I heard some grinding, a crack, and two wheels quit turning. Upon disassembly, I found two of the drive gears cracked and jammed in the chain.? I was able to get the cracked gears out, but I'm not sure how to replace them. The smaller drive gear is held in place by two snap rings.? I'm not sure how to disassemble the driven gear and chain, and then re-assemble both gears and the chain together. I appears that the wheel shaft must be removed to remove the the driven gear on this shaft.? Should I leave the driven gear and shaft in place and break the roller chain?? With such a short chain, there's not much space to break the chain and to re-assemble it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. By the way, I spoke to Felder.? The technical group couldn't help me.? They suggested that I send the feeder back for repair.? With the cost of two way shipping and the estimated repair charges, I can probably come close by buying a new Comatic DC-30! ? ?Dennis |
Felder F38 feeder repair
I have a seldom used F38 feeder that needs repair.? I set it up the other day and turned it on without a load or any pressure.? I heard some grinding, a crack, and two wheels quit turning.
Upon disassembly, I found two of the drive gears cracked and jammed in the chain.? I was able to get the cracked gears out, but I'm not sure how to replace them. The smaller drive gear is held in place by two snap rings.? I'm not sure how to disassemble the driven gear and chain, and then re-assemble both gears and the chain together. I appears that the wheel shaft must be removed to remove the the driven gear on this shaft.? Should I leave the driven gear and shaft in place and break the roller chain?? With such a short chain, there's not much space to break the chain and to re-assemble it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. By the way, I spoke to Felder.? The technical group couldn't help me.? They suggested that I send the feeder back for repair.? With the cost of two way shipping and the estimated repair charges, I can probably come close by buying a new Comatic DC-30! ? ?Dennis |
Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI have recently been thinking about getting a pantorouter but coming from the multi router it just seams rinky dink however I haven¡¯t put my hands on one seems good enough for hobby work from what I have seen on ig and you tube but I can¡¯t tell if some of the users that rave about in-fact got it for free or at a discount. Just seems like a lot of money for what it is.? Regards, Mark On Nov 1, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Ramon Valdez <valdezfinefurniture@...> wrote:
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI love the Pantorouter...such a hugely versatile machine. ?I find new ways to use it every time I use it. ?I wanted to use it on my latest project but the Domino seemed like a better choice. ? But yeah, I can¡¯t say enough good about the Pantorouter.?
Ramon Valdez
On Oct 31, 2020, at 4:58 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
David, I had seen all the links you listed before. The unique feature of the Panto Router is the pantograph which scales in X and Y. Yes, it is a horizontal router like MultiRouter. It must be a horizontal router, which eliminates the awful length limit like Leigh FMT has, I believe Leigh FMT will be discontinued eventually. It is stupid and dangerous to use Leight FMT on the ladder or second floor with a hole underneath. James
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI beg to differ. ? Mathias has been resourceful, but he is hardly the inventor of this contraption. ? The guy knocked off the MultiRouter about 8 years ago, first in wood, then it evolved to the current version. ?Lots of people have knocked off the MultiRouter, many well before Mathias was even conceived:? From 2012: ?? David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýJames, the next time I pull it out for a project I will more fully document the DRO. ?At the present, the MultiRouter is tucked away in it¡¯s locker to yield room for other projects. ??MultiRouter offers an Accurate ProScale single-axis DRO option for their system that encodes the router elevation but still relies on the rail-stops or templates for the XY table. ? ?I started with that:That said, there is nothing particularly special about the newer DRO. ?It¡¯s a Newall 3-axis DRO intended for use on a milling machine, and employs their smaller microSyn scales and encoders (). ? One scale encodes the router elevation, the other two encode the XY table position. ?It¡¯s an older generation of the Newall on my knee mill () except that the scales for each axis are 12-inches long and 10 microns instead of 5 micron resolution.?? My Newall is total overkill for a Multirouter, but hey, it¡¯s made in the UK and completely bomb-proof. ?I think the DRO cost more than the base MultiRouter - you know, like Rangate tooling. ? LOL David Best https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Jason, PantoRouter is not really a copy of MultiRouter.? Panto Router was invented by Matthias Wandel,?. It can do straight up slot mortising, just need a slot template. I think it can do anything Multirotor can do. What your MultiRouter cannot do? James On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:38 PM Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
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