Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Standalone slot mortisers can cut deeper mortise (more than 2" for traditional M&T joinery on door and table) than MultiRouter does. Festool Domino XL is a handheld slot mortiser paired with their fixed sized tenon (70mm is the deepest tenon you can use). I think you are referring to this post? on SMC, at that price (US$2900), I do not think it is a deal, I would rather buy a brand new Multi Router. Who cares about the steel stand, cabinet, 1.5HP used router, and used router bits? As a woodworker, I am sure anyone can design a better stand with a cabinet to suit their own needs. Darrel Peart on IG has lots of posts about how he uses his MultiRouter, he has two DRO on his MR, it is really handy to rout precise mortise at any size. MultiRouter's build does look more robust than PantoRouter. If there is a deal out there (like under $1800), I will buy it for sure. But the brand new price at $2995 without router and template, adding the Canadian tax (13%), is hard for me to swallow. There is no dust collection on MultiRouter whatsoever, unbelievable and terrible for a 30+ years old product. For MultiRouter owners, I think a $99 PantoRouter dust collection hood is needed (), LOL.
James
I too am following this thread.? David is my benchmark and I find it interesting that he felt it necessary to add the DRO to his multirouter.? JDS even thinks the Accruate?height DRO is a needed option.? From a functionality standpoint how do these compare to standalone machines like the Felder/Griggio/Make slot mortisers?? Festool Domino for that matter?? I see there is a multirouter?for sale on sawmillcreek now without any templates so I'd assume he primarily used his machine for basic slotting operations? Thanks, Dave Davies
On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 5:52 PM David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote: Thanks for all the comments. It has been a very interesting thread. I¡¯m quite interested in the comparisons between the panto router and the multi router, and whether one can do something the other can¡¯t. I have not used either, and my understanding is simply that the one is more robust than the other, and obviously has a very different price tag. Maybe like comparing a Kappa 400 with a Delta Unisaw? (I use that comparison only because I¡¯ve owned and used both very extensively.) They both cut wood, but they are really rather different animals with rather different price tags.
Thanks again, Lucky
I have recently been thinking about getting a pantorouter but coming from the multi router it just seams rinky dink however I haven¡¯t put my hands on one seems good enough for hobby work from what I have seen on ig and you tube but I can¡¯t tell if some of the users that rave about in-fact got it for free or at a discount. Just seems like a lot of money for what it is.
? ?
I love the Pantorouter...such a hugely versatile machine.? I find new ways to use it every time I use it.? I wanted to use it on my latest project but the Domino seemed like a better choice. ? But yeah, I can¡¯t say enough good about the Pantorouter.?
? Yep, the pantorouter seems to be all the rage at the moment...
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter
is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James
OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them.
Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.?
James
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Re: separate jointer planer
A941 and A951 may look similar to their combo brethren but since there is no hinge i would not dismiss them by saying that they will suffer from similar problems. unless of course there is data to support that.
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i bought used dual51 and get dead flat boards. i have not bothered to adjust tables even though there is some room for adjustment from my measurements i did when i purchased it. i did adjust the open/close joint knob and set it to neutral.
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i did learn after some time that some boards are going to move due to tension in the wood and may not ever get flat. as for thickness whenever i have measured, each side of the board, i have seen little or no variation. i just planned 2x10 cypress and saw 0.002¡± variation in thickness side to side.
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imran
On Nov 2, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
Hi,
I read all the advices about going separate if you can as well as the inherent issues with the combo design for adjustment of the top tables, especially infeed (planer as called by Felder). I do have a A3-31 and did not mess yet with the infeed adjustment beyond the two securing bolt on the side opposite of the hinge. As my technic improve and I can dismiss my technic as the cause for bad jointing result, I might go tickle with the hinge side adjustment. I might also go separate.
So, looking at the Felder documentation, there is no standalone planer (as called by Felder). The A941 or A951L seems to have the same design and thus same issues as the AD941 and AD951. For fellows who went separate which planer did you buy? By planer I mean get one side of a board dead flat.
Thanks,
Bill?
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Re: Can anyone recommend a better flexible hose for my Felder Stuff?
#dustcollection
hi jim,
some of us looking for flexible and collapsible hose have used this inside the saw cabinet. it is available in 4¡± / 5¡± and likely more sizes but that is all i cared about. see link for FOG thread. i got a 5¡± hose from woodcraft that is really tough, it is flexible (bigger radius turns) but not collapsing.
POWERTEC 70220 PVC Dust Collection Hose (5 Inch x 10 Feet) | Flexible Clear Vue Heavy Duty PVC Hose https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XKMP1YX/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_bLaOFbXP6176Q
imran?
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On Nov 2, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Jim Voos <daikubt@...> wrote: ?Hi gang,
Long time since my last post :-(
I need to replace my second Felder hose that literally disintegrated from the heat here in Wine Country.? Any quality hoses that you would recommend??
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Hi,
I read all the advices about going separate if you can as well as the inherent issues with the combo design for adjustment of the top tables, especially infeed (planer as called by Felder). I do have a A3-31 and did not mess yet with the infeed adjustment beyond the two securing bolt on the side opposite of the hinge. As my technic improve and I can dismiss my technic as the cause for bad jointing result, I might go tickle with the hinge side adjustment. I might also go separate.
So, looking at the Felder documentation, there is no standalone planer (as called by Felder). The A941 or A951L seems to have the same design and thus same issues as the AD941 and AD951. For fellows who went separate which planer did you buy? By planer I mean get one side of a board dead flat.
Thanks,
Bill?
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Re: Can anyone recommend a better flexible hose for my Felder Stuff?
#dustcollection
I got?MasterDuct PUR-F Hose and it is way better than the hose sold by Nordfab. No complaint so far, but I am not in Wine Country I am in the southeast.
Bill
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Re: Felder F38 feeder repair
hi Dennis,
i looked at my vario4 manual and noted that it covers all models. i do not see any exploded diagrams.
if you have any for your feeder you may consider sharing here. you may receive some feedback.
imran?
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On Nov 2, 2020, at 6:52 AM, dyclist@... wrote: ?Hi Imran,
No master link, they all look the same.??
I used to ride bicycles a lot when I was younger and did my own bike maintenance.? All the links in the chain are the same, so to remove a bike chain, you can "break" any link.
If I don't hear anything, maybe I'll try to do this.? There's just not much space in the feeder to break and re-assemble the chain.
Dennis
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Re: Felder F38 feeder repair
Hi Imran,
No master link, they all look the same.??
I used to ride bicycles a lot when I was younger and did my own bike maintenance.? All the links in the chain are the same, so to remove a bike chain, you can "break" any link.
If I don't hear anything, maybe I'll try to do this.? There's just not much space in the feeder to break and re-assemble the chain.
Dennis
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Can anyone recommend a better flexible hose for my Felder Stuff?
#dustcollection
Hi gang,
Long time since my last post :-(
I need to replace my second Felder hose that literally disintegrated from the heat here in Wine Country.? Any quality hoses that you would recommend??
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
I too am following this thread.? David is my benchmark and I find it interesting that he felt it necessary to add the DRO to his multirouter.? JDS even thinks the Accruate?height DRO is a needed option.? From a functionality standpoint how do these compare to standalone machines like the Felder/Griggio/Make slot mortisers?? Festool Domino for that matter?? I see there is a multirouter?for sale on sawmillcreek now without any templates so I'd assume he primarily used his machine for basic slotting operations? Thanks, Dave Davies
On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 5:52 PM David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote: Thanks for all the comments. It has been a very interesting thread. I¡¯m quite interested in the comparisons between the panto router and the multi router, and whether one can do something the other can¡¯t. I have not used either, and my understanding is simply that the one is more robust than the other, and obviously has a very different price tag. Maybe like comparing a Kappa 400 with a Delta Unisaw? (I use that comparison only because I¡¯ve owned and used both very extensively.) They both cut wood, but they are really rather different animals with rather different price tags.
Thanks again, Lucky
I have recently been thinking about getting a pantorouter but coming from the multi router it just seams rinky dink however I haven¡¯t put my hands on one seems good enough for hobby work from what I have seen on ig and you tube but I can¡¯t tell if some of the users that rave about in-fact got it for free or at a discount. Just seems like a lot of money for what it is.
? ?
I love the Pantorouter...such a hugely versatile machine.? I find new ways to use it every time I use it.? I wanted to use it on my latest project but the Domino seemed like a better choice. ? But yeah, I can¡¯t say enough good about the Pantorouter.?
? Yep, the pantorouter seems to be all the rage at the moment...
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter
is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James
OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them.
Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.?
James
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Thanks for all the comments. It has been a very interesting thread. I¡¯m quite interested in the comparisons between the panto router and the multi router, and whether one can do something the other can¡¯t. I have not used either, and my understanding is simply that the one is more robust than the other, and obviously has a very different price tag. Maybe like comparing a Kappa 400 with a Delta Unisaw? (I use that comparison only because I¡¯ve owned and used both very extensively.) They both cut wood, but they are really rather different animals with rather different price tags.
Thanks again,
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I have recently been thinking about getting a pantorouter but coming from the multi router it just seams rinky dink however I haven¡¯t put my hands on one seems good enough for hobby work from what I have seen on ig and you tube but I can¡¯t tell if some of the users that rave about in-fact got it for free or at a discount. Just seems like a lot of money for what it is.
? ?
I love the Pantorouter...such a hugely versatile machine. ?I find new ways to use it every time I use it. ?I wanted to use it on my latest project but the Domino seemed like a better choice. ? But yeah, I can¡¯t say enough good about the Pantorouter.?
? Yep, the pantorouter seems to be all the rage at the moment...
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter
is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James
OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them.
Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.?
James
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318-219-7868
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Re: Felder F38 feeder repair
Dennis,
i do not know anything about F38 but just a thought, is there a removable link on the chain? maybe that is what you mean by breaking the chain. just a thought.
imran
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On Nov 1, 2020, at 6:22 PM, dyclist@... wrote: ?I have a seldom used F38 feeder that needs repair.? I set it up the other day and turned it on without a load or any pressure.? I heard some grinding, a crack, and two wheels quit turning.
Upon disassembly, I found two of the drive gears cracked and jammed in the chain.? I was able to get the cracked gears out, but I'm not sure how to replace them.
The smaller drive gear is held in place by two snap rings.? I'm not sure how to disassemble the driven gear and chain, and then re-assemble both gears and the chain together.
I appears that the wheel shaft must be removed to remove the the driven gear on this shaft.? Should I leave the driven gear and shaft in place and break the roller chain?? With such a short chain, there's not much space to break the chain and to re-assemble it.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
By the way, I spoke to Felder.? The technical group couldn't help me.? They suggested that I send the feeder back for repair.? With the cost of two way shipping and the estimated repair charges, I can probably come close by buying a new Comatic DC-30!
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I have a seldom used F38 feeder that needs repair.? I set it up the other day and turned it on without a load or any pressure.? I heard some grinding, a crack, and two wheels quit turning.
Upon disassembly, I found two of the drive gears cracked and jammed in the chain.? I was able to get the cracked gears out, but I'm not sure how to replace them.
The smaller drive gear is held in place by two snap rings.? I'm not sure how to disassemble the driven gear and chain, and then re-assemble both gears and the chain together.
I appears that the wheel shaft must be removed to remove the the driven gear on this shaft.? Should I leave the driven gear and shaft in place and break the roller chain?? With such a short chain, there's not much space to break the chain and to re-assemble it.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
By the way, I spoke to Felder.? The technical group couldn't help me.? They suggested that I send the feeder back for repair.? With the cost of two way shipping and the estimated repair charges, I can probably come close by buying a new Comatic DC-30!
? ?Dennis
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Has anyone used that disc sander? Dont have one yet for the shop and this looks like an interesting variation with the hand cranking.
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I have recently been thinking about getting a pantorouter but coming from the multi router it just seams rinky dink however I haven¡¯t put my hands on one seems good enough for hobby work from what I have seen on ig and you tube but I can¡¯t tell if some of the users that rave about in-fact got it for free or at a discount. Just seems like a lot of money for what it is.
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On Nov 1, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Ramon Valdez <valdezfinefurniture@...> wrote:
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I love the Pantorouter...such a hugely versatile machine. ?I find new ways to use it every time I use it. ?I wanted to use it on my latest project but the Domino seemed like a better choice. ? But yeah, I can¡¯t say enough good about the Pantorouter.?
On Oct 31, 2020, at 4:58 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
? Yep, the pantorouter seems to be all the rage at the moment...
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter
is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James
OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them.
Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.?
James
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318-219-7868
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
I love the Pantorouter...such a hugely versatile machine. ?I find new ways to use it every time I use it. ?I wanted to use it on my latest project but the Domino seemed like a better choice. ? But yeah, I can¡¯t say enough good about the Pantorouter.?
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On Oct 31, 2020, at 4:58 PM, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
? Yep, the pantorouter seems to be all the rage at the moment...
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter
is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James
OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them.
Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.?
James
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
David,
I had seen all the links you listed before. The unique feature of the Panto Router is the pantograph which scales in X and Y. Yes, it is a horizontal router like MultiRouter. It must be a horizontal router, which eliminates the awful length limit like Leigh FMT has, I believe Leigh FMT will be discontinued eventually. It is stupid and dangerous to use Leight FMT on the ladder or second floor with a hole underneath.
James
I beg to differ. ? Mathias has been resourceful, but he is hardly the inventor of this contraption. ? The guy knocked off the MultiRouter about 8 years ago, first in wood, then it evolved to the current version.? Lots of people have knocked off the MultiRouter, many well before Mathias was even conceived:
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From 2012: ??
Jason,
PantoRouter is not really a copy of MultiRouter.? Panto Router was invented by Matthias Wandel,?.
It can do straight up slot mortising, just need a slot template. I think it can do anything Multirotor can do. What your MultiRouter cannot do?
James
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:38 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: I haven't seen the Pantorouter first hand yet, just all the IG woodworkers using it. As a long time Multirouter user, I agree with David that it looks a little cheap on the build quality. Again, the t slot table is great. I'm intrigued by the motion, like they've replaced the X and Y handles with one. I get how it works for template following, but what about straight up slot mortising? Can it do anything my Multirouters cannot? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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I beg to differ. ? Mathias has been resourceful, but he is hardly the inventor of this contraption. ? The guy knocked off the MultiRouter about 8 years ago, first in wood, then it evolved to the current version. ?Lots of people have knocked off the MultiRouter, many well before Mathias was even conceived:
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From 2012: ??
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Jason,
PantoRouter is not really a copy of MultiRouter.? Panto Router was invented by Matthias Wandel,?.
It can do straight up slot mortising, just need a slot template. I think it can do anything Multirotor can do. What your MultiRouter cannot do?
James
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:38 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: I haven't seen the Pantorouter first hand yet, just all the IG woodworkers using it. As a long time Multirouter user, I agree with David that it looks a little cheap on the build quality. Again, the t slot table is great. I'm intrigued by the motion, like they've replaced the X and Y handles with one. I get how it works for template following, but what about straight up slot mortising? Can it do anything my Multirouters cannot? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
James, the next time I pull it out for a project I will more fully document the DRO. ?At the present, the MultiRouter is tucked away in it¡¯s locker to yield room for other projects. ??MultiRouter offers an Accurate ProScale single-axis DRO option for their system that encodes the router elevation but still relies on the rail-stops or templates for the XY table. ? ?I started with that:
That said, there is nothing particularly special about the newer DRO. ?It¡¯s a Newall 3-axis DRO intended for use on a milling machine, and employs their smaller microSyn scales and encoders (). ? One scale encodes the router elevation, the other two encode the XY table position. ?It¡¯s an older generation of the Newall on my knee mill () except that the scales for each axis are 12-inches long and 10 microns instead of 5 micron resolution.??
My Newall is total overkill for a Multirouter, but hey, it¡¯s made in the UK and completely bomb-proof. ?I think the DRO cost more than the base MultiRouter - you know, like Rangate tooling. ? LOL
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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David,
Can you show us the 3-axis DRO on your MultiRouter?
James The PantoRouter is a value-engineered (cost-reduced reinterpretation) of the MultiRouter which has been around for decades (and superior build quality in my view).? In some sense, what they¡¯ve done is analogous to Kreg knocking of Castel in the pocket-hole routing arena.? The one aspect PantoRouter got right over the MultiRouter is the material table with all the T-slots. ? Some thoughts about that here (which is not exactly how I would approach this today with the availability of slotted extrusions everywhere): ?
A horizontal router with 3-axis articulation can be a very helpful tool for various repetitive joinery tasks like making a set of dining room chairs, and it makes a great compound-angle Domino router if you are accustomed to making CAD drawings of your complex joinery projects. ??
That said, these systems always exclaim the multitude of flexibility and complex projects they can semi-automate.? However, these type of systems take time to master - similar in some respects to the learning/retention curve for a Leigh Dovetail Jig or the Leigh FMT or the WoodRat.? Wrapping your head around any of these systems takes effort and patience and practice, and depending on your age, the half-life of the acquired knowledge can be quite short.? IMO, the benefits are born out with consistent use, or when taking the time to do setups for multiple copies of a project that justify the setup times.? For the once-a-year one-off project, the reacquaintance with the setups can be frustratingly tedious. ? With the addition of a 3-axis DRO system, my MultiRouter has become even more useful since it provides precise cutter-path control without the restrictions imposed by templates. ??
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them. Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.? James
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318-219-7868
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Jason,
PantoRouter is not really a copy of MultiRouter.? Panto Router was invented by Matthias Wandel,?.
It can do straight up slot mortising, just need a slot template. I think it can do anything Multirotor can do. What your MultiRouter cannot do?
James
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:38 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: I haven't seen the Pantorouter first hand yet, just all the IG woodworkers using it. As a long time Multirouter user, I agree with David that it looks a little cheap on the build quality. Again, the t slot table is great. I'm intrigued by the motion, like they've replaced the X and Y handles with one. I get how it works for template following, but what about straight up slot mortising? Can it do anything my Multirouters cannot? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Hear you and identify on the long term memory thing.? Mine often lasts only from the bedroom to the bathroom, never until morning.? Dave
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The PantoRouter is a value-engineered (cost-reduced reinterpretation) of the MultiRouter which has been around for decades (and superior build quality in my view). ?In some sense, what
they¡¯ve done is analogous to Kreg knocking of Castel in the pocket-hole routing arena. ?The one aspect PantoRouter got right over the MultiRouter is the material table with all the T-slots. ? Some thoughts about that here (which is not exactly how I would
approach this today with the availability of slotted extrusions everywhere): ?
A horizontal router with 3-axis articulation can be a very helpful tool for various repetitive joinery tasks like making a set of dining room chairs, and it makes a great compound-angle Domino router if you are accustomed to making CAD drawings
of your complex joinery projects. ??
That said, these systems always exclaim the multitude of flexibility and complex projects they can semi-automate. ?However, these type of systems take time to master - similar in some respects to the learning/retention curve for a Leigh Dovetail
Jig or the Leigh FMT or the WoodRat. ?Wrapping your head around any of these systems takes effort and patience and practice, and depending on your age, the half-life of the acquired knowledge can be quite short. ?IMO, the benefits are born out with consistent
use, or when taking the time to do setups for multiple copies of a project that justify the setup times. ?For the once-a-year one-off project, the reacquaintance with the setups can be frustratingly tedious. ? With the addition of a 3-axis DRO system, my MultiRouter
has become even more useful since it provides precise cutter-path control without the restrictions imposed by templates. ??
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter
is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James
OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them.
Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.?
James
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