Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
I recently purchased a Pantorouter. My main purpose was to use it if for m&t angled joinery on chairs. My first use was cutting m&t joints (aprons/legs) on a white oak dining table. Once I got it set up and it clicked in my brain, it was very quick and accurate. The templates are slightly angled so you can adjust the fit from loose to super tight. I know what you mean re: robustness but it does not feel flimsy.?is It¡¯s heavy enough that you do not want to move it around. Time will tell how well it will stand up to use but I¡¯m impressed so far.?
Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Hi Eric - Thanks for the kind words. my website still has my old shop info. That and a couple dozen project photos are on the to-do list. I keep a caliper next to the sander, one in my apron and another is part of the Thickness Stop that David Best made for me. I did not attend the cabinet making program at NBS but learned veneering there with Matt Wodja. I would love to have Done their 2 year program.?
Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Re: Shark Universal Overhead Guard Model S-12S
Hi Robert,
Sangluu used grizzly guard only. not sure if that would work for you. see this thread.
imran?
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On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Robert Johnson <woodewe@...> wrote: ? Hi Imran,
I believe I was the one mentioned going to look at it as I don't too far from Grizzly NW in Bellingham.? When I called, the person I talked to see if there was one on the floor he said thought so, but when asked about buying one, he did not find a part number for the entire unit.? That could mean it would be ordered part by part.? I expect the coast would be excessive, based on the usual cost of spare parts, and asked he please get more information.? I never received a reply, so I expected that it was a dead end, hence my interest in the Harvey unit when it turned up.? Scott and Sargent offers? I-TECH OVERHEAD SAW GUARD ASSEMBLY Part Number?ITWMPSGD for 595BP, plus shipping and possible fees and duty.? It appeared workable, but little information on mounting, no user review, and uncertainty on how it would " modified to fit...", I lost interest.?? The Harvey unit seems to have most all of the desired features; gas strut to help raise the hood, swivel away boom, crank adjustable hood height, a 6-way knuckle to align hood and support post to the saw, and fairly simple install instructions (drill three holes).... what am I missing?
-Bob
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
The PantoRouter is a value-engineered (cost-reduced reinterpretation) of the MultiRouter which has been around for decades (and superior build quality in my view). ?In some sense, what they¡¯ve done is analogous to Kreg knocking of Castel in the pocket-hole routing arena. ?The one aspect PantoRouter got right over the MultiRouter is the material table with all the T-slots. ? Some thoughts about that here (which is not exactly how I would approach this today with the availability of slotted extrusions everywhere): ?
A horizontal router with 3-axis articulation can be a very helpful tool for various repetitive joinery tasks like making a set of dining room chairs, and it makes a great compound-angle Domino router if you are accustomed to making CAD drawings of your complex joinery projects. ??
That said, these systems always exclaim the multitude of flexibility and complex projects they can semi-automate. ?However, these type of systems take time to master - similar in some respects to the learning/retention curve for a Leigh Dovetail Jig or the Leigh FMT or the WoodRat. ?Wrapping your head around any of these systems takes effort and patience and practice, and depending on your age, the half-life of the acquired knowledge can be quite short. ?IMO, the benefits are born out with consistent use, or when taking the time to do setups for multiple copies of a project that justify the setup times. ?For the once-a-year one-off project, the reacquaintance with the setups can be frustratingly tedious. ? With the addition of a 3-axis DRO system, my MultiRouter has become even more useful since it provides precise cutter-path control without the restrictions imposed by templates. ??
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them. Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.? James
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Re: Shark Universal Overhead Guard Model S-12S
Hi Imran,
I believe I was the one mentioned going to look at it as I don't too far from Grizzly NW in Bellingham.? When I called, the person I talked to see if there was one on the floor he said thought so, but when asked about buying one, he did not find a part number for the entire unit.? That could mean it would be ordered part by part.? I expect the coast would be excessive, based on the usual cost of spare parts, and asked he please get more information.? I never received a reply, so I expected that it was a dead end, hence my interest in the Harvey unit when it turned up.? Scott and Sargent offers? I-TECH OVERHEAD SAW GUARD ASSEMBLY Part Number?ITWMPSGD for 595BP, plus shipping and possible fees and duty.? It appeared workable, but little information on mounting, no user review, and uncertainty on how it would " modified to fit...", I lost interest.?? The Harvey unit seems to have most all of the desired features; gas strut to help raise the hood, swivel away boom, crank adjustable hood height, a 6-way knuckle to align hood and support post to the saw, and fairly simple install instructions (drill three holes).... what am I missing?
-Bob
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Hey David, I have no qualms about the robustness of the panto router.
Its only the templates that are plastic, and you only contact them with a bearing, so friction and wear is minimal. The rest is aluminium, plenty strong enough.
I've used it so far for M & T on US oak and cherry and it did a good job.
The only qualms I have with the Australian available model, is that it only comes with a router motor that takes 1/4, and 8mm shanks. This limits the size of joints you can cut to small, and medium. 8mm shank, solid carbide, spiral bits in larger sizes are
hard to come by and are expensive.
A model that can take a 1/2" router motor allows you to use larger bits and templates for large joints.
Old style non plunge routers are not very available on the Australian market. The only one available that I know of is the AEG 1/2" model at Bunnings. You would then have to source another appropriately sized motor housing from Pantorouter, and replace the
one that comes with the jig(they make one already for the European market).
As for cutting real hardwoods, with the 1100w motor(standard with the Australian model), like any router they work best when you let the tool cut the way it wants to and not force it. It does a pretty good job.
?Cutting tenons is the slowest, but once you get the technique down it goes pretty quickly. Work in stages rather than go full depth straight away.
The Pantorouter is pretty easy to use, unlike say the Leigh M& T jig. I own both jigs, and If I haven't used the Leigh in a while I really need to re learn how to use it. The Leigh has more template variations, but? practically the PR has got plenty to solve
most? M& T joinery. You can also cut through and sliding dovetails, box joints without buying another jig.
Another strength of the PR is the ability to cut tenons on long pieces of wood eg for lengthwise braces on a trestle table or other long dining table. All you need is a work support for balance. With the Leigh jig you are limited by the height of your bench,
around 4ft max length, unless you build a platform and work from a ladder.
? ? ?Hamish.
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It will be interesting to see what people think of it. I saw it working two years ago when the designer/owner was in Australia. He was/is very friendly and professional.?
The pantorouter is cool and very capable but it did not strike me as particularly robust. A few professional colleagues and I saw it working for several days while we were participating in a masterclass by Michael Fortune.?
I least liked the plastic parts, and wondered whether the system would hold up to regular use. I don¡¯t know. But I¡¯ve yet to see it demonstrated with ¡°proper hardwoods¡±. More often than not, pine is being used...
That all said, I watched compound angle joinery being made with relative ease.
On 1 Nov 2020, at 8:58 am, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
?Yep, the pantorouter seems to be all the rage at the moment...
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter
is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James
OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them.
Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.?
James
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Lucky,
Google "PantoRouer?Instagram", you can find what people make using PantoRouter. Michael Fortune uses PantoRouter to make his folding chair, it is definitely not pine :)
James
On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 7:29 PM David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote: It will be interesting to see what people think of it. I saw it working two years ago when the designer/owner was in Australia. He was/is very friendly and professional.?
The pantorouter is cool and very capable but it did not strike me as particularly robust. A few professional colleagues and I saw it working for several days while we were participating in a masterclass by Michael Fortune.?
I least liked the plastic parts, and wondered whether the system would hold up to regular use. I don¡¯t know. But I¡¯ve yet to see it demonstrated with ¡°proper hardwoods¡±. More often than not, pine is being used...
That all said, I watched compound angle joinery being made with relative ease. ?Yep, the pantorouter seems to be all the rage at the moment...
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them. Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.? James
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
It will be interesting to see what people think of it. I saw it working two years ago when the designer/owner was in Australia. He was/is very friendly and professional.?
The pantorouter is cool and very capable but it did not strike me as particularly robust. A few professional colleagues and I saw it working for several days while we were participating in a masterclass by Michael Fortune.?
I least liked the plastic parts, and wondered whether the system would hold up to regular use. I don¡¯t know. But I¡¯ve yet to see it demonstrated with ¡°proper hardwoods¡±. More often than not, pine is being used...
That all said, I watched compound angle joinery being made with relative ease.
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On 1 Nov 2020, at 8:58 am, habacomike via groups.io <habacomike@...> wrote:
? Yep, the pantorouter seems to be all the rage at the moment...
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them. Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.? James
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Yep, the pantorouter seems to be all the rage at the moment...
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?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them. Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.? James
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Ten woodworking tools you have to see
?Multirouter is not on the list, PantoRouter and Tormek T8.
I talked To Mac Sheldon, he said he shipped many PantoRouters to US address near the border for Canadian customers, they crossed the border to pick it up. Otherwise, there are extra brokerage fees and duty except the Canadian tax, cause PantoRouter is made in Taiwan. Because of the pandemic, I cannot cross the border now, just have to wait until the pandemic is over.
Having a horizontal mounted router opens lots of possibilities that you cannot do on the router table, not only for the chair making. For example, I can make an auxiliary table to turn the PantoRouter into the Hoffman dovetail machine.
James
OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them. Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.? James
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Shark Universal Overhead Guard Model S-12S
there was another nice looking one that was shared in that discussion sometime ago but IIRC it needed to be ordered from china. don¡¯t recall if the poster got it or not. i believe one from grizzly was also being considered.
imran
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On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Robert Johnson <woodewe@...> wrote: ?This style of guard and collector was the subject of much discussion not long ago.
The seed was planted that I needed a better way for my shop.
How does this unit compete when priced at $950 with shipping, less taxes to the versions that are available?
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OK...which two?? I'd guess the multirouter?is one of them. Dave Davies
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.? James
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Shark Universal Overhead Guard Model S-12S
This style of guard and collector was the subject of much discussion not long ago.
The seed was planted that I needed a better way for my shop.
How does this unit compete when priced at $950 with shipping, less taxes to the versions that are available?
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Hi for those that have Barth tables and ?My clamps I do make posts to fit.
  Designing and building for 50 years
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On Oct 30, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Randy Child via groups.io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
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Thanks.. I really wanted / needed a lift table but was not going to pay the amount for a Barth..was just way too expensive
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 08:09:14 AM PDT, Kerryj_smith <kerry@...> wrote:
Just sayin :)....(see attached photo)
Randy, you accomplished the same at a 10th the cost. My day started out pretty good but now...
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Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Ten woodworking tools you have to see
Interesting video, two are on my purchase list :)
I removed "expensive" in the subject line, cause I think people on this forum are generally comfortable with this kind of price (not Barth price) for high quality tools.? James
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Hi Kerry, Lots of eye candy on the tour, and (for me, the best part) ideas on how to organize,?esp. all the shaper?cutters. It looks a lot larger than the 2,000 sq ft that your website says it is - maybe you expanded? GREAT equipment, I agree that you pay once for the best and it saves you time and money down the road - it's not about how much you pay for some random thing, it's about what you get for what you pay. There were multiple calibration dials - is there a specific use for each, or was it (as is the case for me) just one more, I have to try this one...? North Bennet Street - ever run into Mark Singer? (way back...) Lastly, the collection of goods on the website attests to a love of the craft, congratulations. Cheers Eric
Kerry well done.?
Nice having gear you love to use.?
It is always a treat visiting another maker's workshop and seeing your video is the next best thing to being there.
Well done too for such a good cleanup and vid.??
Cheers, David??
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Kerry well done.?
Nice having gear you love to use.?
It is always a treat visiting another maker's workshop and seeing your video is the next best thing to being there.
Well done too for such a good cleanup and vid.??
Cheers, David??
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Thanks.. I really wanted / needed a lift table but was not going to pay the amount for a Barth..was just way too expensive
On Friday, October 30, 2020, 08:09:14 AM PDT, Kerryj_smith <kerry@...> wrote:
Just sayin :)....(see attached photo)
Randy, you accomplished the same at a 10th the cost. My day started out pretty good but now...
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Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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wow, David. Mic drop!
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Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Re: Hammer B3 electrical problem
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On Oct 30, 2020, at 3:38 PM, sam via groups.io <sam@...> wrote: ?Thyristors replaced - seems to be sorted, full days use with no issues! Again thanks Davy at least for adding the word thyristor to my vocabulary.
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