Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
This was for a house we had in Carefree, AZ. It was designed in ¡¯56 by a student of Frank Lloyd Wright and built by the owners I purchased it from. House was built in a V-wing shape and had odd angles in the kitchen by the windows. So I designed and built this table with an odd angle on one end so that when up to the window wall, it wasn¡¯t too tight on either side to the room. Mostly Maple, top was butcher block style about 1.5¡± thick, tapered on the edges using a 12¡± blade on the shaper spindle tilted at 5? to narrow the edges down to give it a lighter look. Legs were tapered on 3 sides and tipped with Bubinga, which I also used for the standoff¡¯s for the top and floating tenons for the leg to stretcher joint.
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On Oct 7, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote:
Very nice work here, I find these types of posts inspiring. Brian could we see a couple more photos of the table as a whole, it looks beautiful from the under side.
Mark Foster
?Nice looking joints fellas, I haven¡¯t done a mitered one recently but I did just do a plain ol¡¯ one with just saw kerf and chisel It went pretty quick. Have to incorporate a miter one at some point although not with a shaper. <image0.jpeg>
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On Oct 7, 2020, at 10:45 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I did a similar joint years ago, one of my first projects with the Felder. A dining table and I did a double bridle/mitered joint¡ was fun and looked great.
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On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:36 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Because it is so gorgeous Jason! Michael just needs to add some little square Ebony pins¡. :-)
Lucky
On 8 Oct 2020, at 12:33 pm, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Michael, Just curious why you chose a mitered bridal joint? What's the application? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Extra arsenic and asbestos I presume.?
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On Oct 8, 2020, at 7:36 AM, David Davies <myfinishingtouch@...> wrote:
? It must be good...it's "
made from a hundred-year-old formula? " Dave Davies On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 6:33 AM auto_bodytech < rhorton@...> wrote: I use Butchers Bowling Alley Wax that was available @ Home Depot. Its super slick and no Silicone.??
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It must be good...it's "
made from a hundred-year-old formula? " Dave Davies
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 6:33 AM auto_bodytech < rhorton@...> wrote: I use Butchers Bowling Alley Wax that was available @ Home Depot. Its super slick and no Silicone.??
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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I use Butchers Bowling Alley Wax that was available @ Home Depot. Its super slick and no Silicone.??
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What is the name of the wax guaranteed not to have silicone?
Marlowe?
?a tad off topic but I feel a need to mention it.
I used to use Johnson¡¯s paste wax to lubricate my machine tables, and had persistent problems w/ fish eye downstream when finishing pieces. I eventually decided that Johnson¡¯s must have silicone of some sort in it, so I ?cleaned all my tools w/ mineral spirits and switched to a wax that was guaranteed silicone free. I haven¡¯t had problems w/ fish eye since.
Anyone else w/ similar experiences?
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?a tad off topic but I feel a need to mention it.
I used to use Johnson¡¯s paste wax to lubricate my machine tables, and had persistent problems w/ fish eye downstream when finishing pieces. I eventually decided that Johnson¡¯s must have silicone of some sort in it, so I ?cleaned all my tools w/ mineral spirits and switched to a wax that was guaranteed silicone free. I haven¡¯t had problems w/ fish eye since.
Anyone else w/ similar experiences?
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Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
Jason, many reasons. - I wanted to use my shiny new shaper =) - The joints are nice looking - I wanted to miter the joints and needed some more glue area, tenons solves this - The stool I'm trying to build (from an image) had similar joints Some more work, but it's coming along.  
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Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
Very nice work here, I find these types of posts inspiring. Brian could we see a couple more photos of the table as a whole, it looks beautiful from the under side.
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?Nice looking joints fellas, I haven¡¯t done a mitered one recently but I did just do a plain ol¡¯ one with just saw kerf and chisel It went pretty quick. Have to incorporate a miter one at some point although not with a shaper. <image0.jpeg>
<image1.jpeg> <image2.jpeg>
On Oct 7, 2020, at 10:45 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I did a similar joint years ago, one of my first projects with the Felder. A dining table and I did a double bridle/mitered joint¡ was fun and looked great.
<DSC_0655.jpeg> <DSC_0715.jpeg>
On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:36 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Because it is so gorgeous Jason! Michael just needs to add some little square Ebony pins¡. :-)
Lucky
On 8 Oct 2020, at 12:33 pm, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Michael, Just curious why you chose a mitered bridal joint? What's the application? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
?Nice looking joints fellas, I haven¡¯t done a mitered one recently but I did just do a plain ol¡¯ one with just saw kerf and chisel It went pretty quick. Have to incorporate a miter one at some point although not with a shaper.
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On Oct 7, 2020, at 10:45 PM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I did a similar joint years ago, one of my first projects with the Felder. A dining table and I did a double bridle/mitered joint¡ was fun and looked great.
<DSC_0655.jpeg> <DSC_0715.jpeg>
On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:36 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Because it is so gorgeous Jason! Michael just needs to add some little square Ebony pins¡. :-)
Lucky
On 8 Oct 2020, at 12:33 pm, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Michael, Just curious why you chose a mitered bridal joint? What's the application? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
I did a similar joint years ago, one of my first projects with the Felder. A dining table and I did a double bridle/mitered joint¡ was fun and looked great.
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On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:36 PM, David Luckensmeyer < dhluckens@...> wrote:
Because it is so gorgeous Jason! Michael just needs to add some little square Ebony pins¡. :-)
Lucky
On 8 Oct 2020, at 12:33 pm, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Michael, Just curious why you chose a mitered bridal joint? What's the application? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
Because it is so gorgeous Jason! Michael just needs to add some little square Ebony pins¡. :-)
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On 8 Oct 2020, at 12:33 pm, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Michael, Just curious why you chose a mitered bridal joint? What's the application? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
Michael, Just curious why you chose a mitered bridal joint? What's the application? Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Gil - I had a two year old f700 with a 4wheel feeder I sold two years ago for $7,000 - all the equipment listed about but no cutters, I also had a 30mm spindle along with the 1.25¡± spindle- this seems high to me depending on the tooling and the type of tooling
John
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Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
Seriously beautiful joint! Jealous- still awaiting calibration and commissioning of my shaper. Covid boarder closures have meant that Lucky can't visit from Queensland and the technician can't come into New South Wales from Melbourne.by. Maybe for Christmas.
?Uncle Clint
Thank you David.?It means alot to get such nice words.
And, I agree. I have a Domino. It¡¯s convinient, but the joints doesn¡¯t speak anything.?
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Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
Thank you David.?It means alot to get such nice words.
And, I agree. I have a Domino. It¡¯s convinient, but the joints doesn¡¯t speak anything.?
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 2:37 PM Marlowe McGraw via <marlomcgraw= [email protected]> wrote: If it run smoothly,? you're golden.?
Marlowe?
What do I look for, just vibration?
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Correct Marlowe.? Downside is they are very expensive to repair if a problem.? Wheel condition is actually more important than motor.? I don't have a saw with Carter wheels but have heard stories
of problems.? When good, they are the pick of the litter though.? Dave
I suspect that one reason they can run at very high speeds is the Carter fabricated wheels.? ?Balance on those must be close to perfect as opposed to big cast iron?wheels.? They would also be much easier to brake with the lower inertia.?
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 11:13 AM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
Well done.? I would not expect the motor to be an issue, even if you need to rewind.? It isn't like the pancake design of the Oliver.? Just a large frame motor.? Many Tanny came with 1200 rpm motors
and ran at 11000 fpm so hopefully this one will be slower.? Those saws were balanced so well they could run at very high speeds if you can keep up with the feed rate.? DAve
$775 plus 10% buyers premium.? We¡¯ll see if it was a good deal once I see the motor run
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Joe ask the rigger his cost.
I always like to block the base on the deck , you Weill need some donage 2x4 4x4 1 by?
Like Dave said block the table the trunnion is the week point.?
Important make sure ?all levers are clamped.
Personally I like the drop bed.?
And there are those among us that have one in there warehouse,,, Dave!!
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell
Designing and building for 50 years
?More data.? The warehouse where it is located has forklifts and they will lift onto a trailer. I have a friend who can help me load there and by chance he is driving from LA to Phoenix that day.? I have two options.
1) I rent a drop deck trailer and drive from Phoenix to LA, spend the night, and on the next day the seller forklifts on the trailer.? When I get home unload with pallet jack.
2) Friend has access to a car trailer.? I fly out and we have the seller forklift onto the car trailer.? We would then drive it back with his Ford Expedition and then rent a forklift in Phoenix to unload.? I've never driven a forklift so there is that.
I know the rental drop deck trailer would have great tires etc.? Any idea on what a rigger would charge to unload?
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Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
Beautiful! For outright sex appeal, your joint pisses all over the usual mitre plus domino or mitre plus dowel iteration.?
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On 8 Oct 2020, at 6:06 am, michael@... wrote:
? <DC7F87CA-1B4B-48DA-958C-CA1F21C24980.jpeg> <40DBBFF8-4ACD-4A46-97D2-BA95674E8A66.jpeg> Some images of the completed joint. It took some cuts before I had it dialed in. The next time I¡¯ll probably dial it in quite fast when I know the ins and outs.?
some take aways:
- clamp pieces to fence AND to the table to get exact height.?
- remove dust BEFORE clamping the next piece.?
- the shims are NOT to spec. Measure them ?
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Re: Cutting mitered bridal joint
  Some images of the completed joint. It took some cuts before I had it dialed in. The next time I¡¯ll probably dial it in quite fast when I know the ins and outs.?
some take aways:
- clamp pieces to fence AND to the table to get exact height.?
- remove dust BEFORE clamping the next piece.?
- the shims are NOT to spec. Measure them ?
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I have an older A3-31, and if I do not keep the planer bed waxed, I get ¡°grabbing¡± and snipe in the infeed. ?I don¡¯t know if this will help on the out feed. ?I use Johnson furniture wax to lubricate the jointer and planer beds.
-David
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If it run smoothly,? you're golden.?
Marlowe?
What do I look for, just vibration?
?
?
Correct Marlowe.? Downside is they are very expensive to repair if a problem.? Wheel condition is actually more important than motor.? I don't have a saw with Carter wheels but have heard stories
of problems.? When good, they are the pick of the litter though.? Dave
I suspect that one reason they can run at very high speeds is the Carter fabricated wheels.? ?Balance on those must be close to perfect as opposed to big cast iron?wheels.? They would also be much easier to brake with the lower inertia.?
?
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 11:13 AM David Kumm <davekumm@...> wrote:
Well done.? I would not expect the motor to be an issue, even if you need to rewind.? It isn't like the pancake design of the Oliver.? Just a large frame motor.? Many Tanny came with 1200 rpm motors
and ran at 11000 fpm so hopefully this one will be slower.? Those saws were balanced so well they could run at very high speeds if you can keep up with the feed rate.? DAve
$775 plus 10% buyers premium.? We¡¯ll see if it was a good deal once I see the motor run
?
?
Joe ask the rigger his cost.
I always like to block the base on the deck , you Weill need some donage 2x4 4x4 1 by?
Like Dave said block the table the trunnion is the week point.?
Important make sure ?all levers are clamped.
Personally I like the drop bed.?
And there are those among us that have one in there warehouse,,, Dave!!
martin/campshure/co/llc
mac campshure
7412 elmwood ave.
middleton, wi 53562-3106
608-332-2330?cell
Designing and building for 50 years
?More data.? The warehouse where it is located has forklifts and they will lift onto a trailer. I have a friend who can help me load there and by chance he is driving from LA to Phoenix that day.? I have two options.
1) I rent a drop deck trailer and drive from Phoenix to LA, spend the night, and on the next day the seller forklifts on the trailer.? When I get home unload with pallet jack.
2) Friend has access to a car trailer.? I fly out and we have the seller forklift onto the car trailer.? We would then drive it back with his Ford Expedition and then rent a forklift in Phoenix to unload.? I've never driven a forklift so there is that.
I know the rental drop deck trailer would have great tires etc.? Any idea on what a rigger would charge to unload?
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Mark Foster
David Luckensmeyer
Jason Holtz