I know a few machine shop guys running that compressor with good success. It makes a load hissing noise when it unloads and stops, that¡¯s been the major complaint.
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On Jul 17, 2020, at 8:37 PM, Sang Luu < sangluu@...> wrote:
I came across this scroll type compressor on a Youtube video and was rather impressed with lack of noise and CFM output:?
I would love to try one someday to see how it really performs.?
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What do you plan to run with air? Too open ended of a question without some idea of what you want to do.
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On Jul 17, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Tom Morris < morrist@...> wrote:
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Yes, you have to have air flow around the compressor and the electric motor.
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Jason, ? The heat would kill the compressor? Dave Davies On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 9:29 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: Tom, I have a 80 gallon, 5 HP with a separate dryer. This is in a 4000 foot coop shop with 6 people potentially working at once. It does the job well. Ours isn't the quietest, but we built an enclosure that helps quite a bit. Not fully enclosed, that would kill it says my neighbor. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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I've seen the noise issue mentioned several times but plumbing the intake out side only once.? So I will repeat. It helps.? It and can be easy too if near an exterior wall that is not near a neighbor.
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I purchased a Saylor-Beall 80gal/5HP about 6 years ago and it has been great. ?The low RPM, 2 stage is a litter quite too.
-Joe
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I did this setup a few years back w/ 8020 but mine was bolted to the wall over the K3. Not to long ago I've taken it down to fit my ShopSabre Pro404 in its place and yet to reinstall it. Basically had to pivot it to avoid the path of the ducting. Cut out 3/8" alum plate pivoting on 3/4" shaft. Worked pretty good. Did the manual connection by knob. Same for the up/down of the guard. Fitted the 3" hose over the top. Most of the alum was put together w/ Lord Adhesive Maxlok T/18 for the guard. That block of wood was for installation. It did dip a little due to weight. I believe I used HD 1530 for the arm. Suction was pretty good i think. Neat project, and after seeing some things pop up like this is getting me motivated to doing more stuff.  Ronnie
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Re: Joe in New Orleans Woodshed sell off
All,
Thanks for the nice comments about the shop. ?The 3D scan only took about 40 minutes. ?I had no idea scanning was that easy.
I am giving up Woodworking. ?I have really enjoyed the past 16 years of participation on the FOG learning and sharing and meeting other members. ?We are moving to Oregon and I don¡¯t feel like moving the shop and setting up again so I am going minimal.
I am selling individual items with some exceptions. I would like to sell the Leitz tilt and turn window set with accessories as a kit. ?I am putting together a list for that. ?Other exceptions will be bundled as machine and accessories to make things easier.
I should have the list together by early in this week and things will be available for pick up or shipping the second week in August. ?I am finishing a few projects. ?
The ceiling trolley makes painting so easy and fast as all sides of a workpiece can be painted without touching the workpiece to turn or flip, the workpieces can be left on the trolley hooks to dry then pushed back in front of the spray wall for a second coat. ?I bought 16 trolleys from Mac and those have worked well. ?
The Suvamatic has been great! ?One look at the porkchop guard that came with the General 880 after using the bridge guard on the CF731 and I ordered the Suvamatic and figured out a way to mount it. ?It has been worth the money.
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On Jul 17, 2020, at 9:36 PM, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
Really great looking shop Joe. That 3D tour technology is incredible. Are you hanging it up? Are you hoping to sell it all as a package with the building, or are you selling it separate?
I love the trolley on the ceiling. And the SUVA guard on your 880 jointer. I think I need to get one. I hate that stupid porkchop, especially the way it's mounted in the wrong location and always leaves a bit of cutter exposed.
Jason
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Thanks for all the information, I was ready to spend 9k on a Kaeser. I¡¯m going to look for a separate dryer.
?Thanks,
Tom Morris
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Tom:
I¡¯m going to pile in and strongly recommend against scroll/screw, etc. style compressors. I¡¯ve wasted money on two European units (albeit not Kaeser) but still very high quality machines.?
The first one destroyed itself after water leaked through and seized the compressor. I was ¡°smarter¡± the second time around and installed an Italian rotary screw machine with a timer to run the machine every day for 30 mins. Still not good enough. After 18 months, with factory servicing every 6 months, water had sufficiently mixed with the oil to corrode the screw so that it was making horrible scraping noises at 18 months. The company agreed to take the machine back at a very significant loss to them, and gave me (at a much reduced price) a two stage piston oiler that has been working nicely for the last couple of years.?
Do not be lured by the quiet compressors. They need to run nearly constantly to work well in the long term. I wasted approx $10k AUD to learn that lesson.?
4-5kW compressors are generally recognised as plenty. The separate dryer should be matched to CFM output which is usually around 15 for this size. I didn¡¯t pull the trigger but I recall they recommended a 1.5HP single phase dryer to go with my 4kW (5.5HP) compressor. There really is no need for the all-in-one style (Kaeser).
I have 550L of receiver (tank size) simply because my RL250 pulsed air cleaning system is an air-piggy.
Hopefully this helps.?
Cheers.?
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On 18 Jul 2020, at 11:10 am, Tom Morris <morrist@...> wrote:
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If you still are considering a Kaeser, ?ask about the cost of the recommended routine maintenance.
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Every now and then I'll see a table or some enclosure on FB marketplace made out of 80/20 and I keep thinking I should buy it just for the components. Dave
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:47 PM Sang Luu < sangluu@...> wrote: Brian, Imran -- I think both your suggestions are great, will definitely extend the extrusion for some added support and exploring more bearing options. I like these bearings because I'm lazy and I didn't want to machine anything more than I needed. I've been learning Fusion 360 (it is a pain in the butt) with my little mill and I have a new found appreciation for machinists & their patience.?
Dave -- I have used 80/20 since my first CNC router build back some 7 yrs ago and fell in love with them, so while it seems I have a lot of them laying around I really just order what I need direct from them, on demand. Their service and packing are impeccable and I almost always find what I need from their eBay store at reasonable rates. Yes, costly but compared to having to powder coat, wire brush, and weld steel, I think I end up ahead in terms of labor saved. I think I assembled the arm in my design in like 15 - 20 minutes, which is a big savings.?
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318-219-7868
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Brian, Imran -- I think both your suggestions are great, will definitely extend the extrusion for some added support and exploring more bearing options. I like these bearings because I'm lazy and I didn't want to machine anything more than I needed. I've been learning Fusion 360 (it is a pain in the butt) with my little mill and I have a new found appreciation for machinists & their patience.?
Dave -- I have used 80/20 since my first CNC router build back some 7 yrs ago and fell in love with them, so while it seems I have a lot of them laying around I really just order what I need direct from them, on demand. Their service and packing are impeccable and I almost always find what I need from their eBay store at reasonable rates. Yes, costly but compared to having to powder coat, wire brush, and weld steel, I think I end up ahead in terms of labor saved. I think I assembled the arm in my design in like 15 - 20 minutes, which is a big savings.?
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I came across this scroll type compressor on a Youtube video and was rather impressed with lack of noise and CFM output:?
I would love to try one someday to see how it really performs.?
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A 5 hp two stage will deliver 15-17 cfm, 7.5 hp is in the 20 range.? My dryer is a Hankison Hi Temp refrigerated.? Whether you need the higher input temp depends on how large your tank is and how much air you need.?? I got my compressor and dryer used so took
what I could find.? You have to be careful when buying a dryer used.? If they have been ridden hard and put away wet they are not repairable for a reasonable cost.? Dave
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 03:22:11PM -0700, charlie9g@... wrote:
| thanks for the exploded parts diagram.? i would not be surprised if my
| machine is like that.? in talking with ron he only mentioned the one
| urethane coated rubber friction wheel so he seems to believe that is the
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You're welcome! I expect everything will go smoothly.
Allen
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Really great looking shop Joe. That 3D tour technology is incredible. Are you hanging it up? Are you hoping to sell it all as a package with the building, or are you selling it separate?
I love the trolley on the ceiling. And the SUVA guard on your 880 jointer. I think I need to get one. I hate that stupid porkchop, especially the way it's mounted in the wrong location and always leaves a bit of cutter exposed.
Jason
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Jason, ? The heat would kill the compressor? Dave Davies
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 9:29 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: Tom, I have a 80 gallon, 5 HP with a separate dryer. This is in a 4000 foot coop shop with 6 people potentially working at once. It does the job well. Ours isn't the quietest, but we built an enclosure that helps quite a bit. Not fully enclosed, that would kill it says my neighbor. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Tom, I have a 80 gallon, 5 HP with a separate dryer. This is in a 4000 foot coop shop with 6 people potentially working at once. It does the job well. Ours isn't the quietest, but we built an enclosure that helps quite a bit. Not fully enclosed, that would kill it says my neighbor. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: The Annex workshop addition
A while back someone had a full shop of Felder Format equipment and sold it as a lot.? Are you going to try selling all of your equipment as a single lot?? If you could it would certainly be the easiest thing to do. Dave Davies
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 6:46 PM Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote: Really? as in quitting woodworking? Beautiful shop and living quarters.
On Jul 17, 2020, at 3:06 PM, bacchus6015 via < joeinno@...> wrote:
As some of you know I am selling everything in my shop and the building that the shop is in.
As part of the sales effort the RE agent made a 3D scan of the interior of the building. ?
My shop is set up so everything has 10¡¯ through put.
Maybe the 3D tour will be useful for someone setting up a shop?
Joe in New Orleans
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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