Re: For Sale: Hammer K3 Winner 31x31
Delivery available within a reasonable distance from 06606.?
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Hi Willie,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? When I got my C3 31 the dealer couldn't commission it because the electrical lead was too short and couldn't reach my 16 amp socket!
Na?vely, I thought that didn't really matter as it would be all factory set--- wrong.
The jointer has broken my heart for three years by tapering everything that I fed into it. The answer was in the outfield table which was far too high. It was 25thou above the blades.
The manual doesn't give you all the directions required to adjust it and I snapped the head off the 17mm adjusting bolt on my first attempt, then I discovered two grub screws and a 19mm nut that needed loosened.
After I figured that out, I bought the outfeed table down until it sniped everything and then kept raising it until I dialled out the sniping. Then for the first time I was able to use a little piece of oak to move 2 to 3 millimetres as I turned the blades by hand when the two tables were complained and level.
Ever since it has worked like a charm. I hope this is some help.
Trevor Lusty
Ireland
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Re: Bandsaws: Felder vs ACM
740 is a great size.? Large table and ability to resaw easily.? There has been a used Felder ( ACM ) for sale recently.? Dave
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Brian,
Thanks for the great side-by-side comparison. ?I’m leaning on going with Felder. ?All of my other big machines will be Felder (also planning on ordering a K740, AD951 & F700Z, plus dust collection) in 12-18 months) and all other factors being equal, why
complicate ordering, shipping, service etc. by dealing with more than one company? ?But if the ACM or anything else is significantly better I’m open to it. ?Not to mention, the idea of a slider on the bandsaw is appealing. ?And the ACM Swing line is about
the sexiest thing I’ve ever seen (don’t tell my wife I said that) although I can’t imagine ever needing that kind of functionality or capacity.
On Feb 20, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Brian Rowland < rowfam50@...> wrote:
I own a Felder FB510 and an ACM Star 600.
I spent years trying to find a good used Italian Bandsaw and gave up and bought the FB510.new
The FB510 is a great bandsaw - with a couple of minor annoyances.
In my opinion the electronic braking system is agricultural - causing weird noises and vibration each time the machine is turned off.
But on the plus side it cuts accurately and is a very gutsy machine. And has the excellent fence system allowing useful table extensions.
Plus the guide system which is why I selected it over the SCM option.
The ACM 600 Built in 2000 was purchased from a friend - it came up ironically just after I had purchased the Felder (!)
Beautifully built, the ACM has superbly balanced cast wheels ?solid and remarkably quiet (makes the Felder seem noisy in operation)
No electronic braking nonsense either just a good old fashioned foot brake that does the job.
I couldn’t resist it - as it was “As New ” condition for less than half the price of the FB510.
The two machines share many similarities and no doubt the FB510 is a derivative of the excellent ACM design.
You can’t go wrong with either - but I think the best bandsaws come from Italy.
And a good used ACM, Centaur or Agazzani are great value and worth consideration.
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Re: Bandsaws: Felder vs ACM
Brian,
Thanks for the great side-by-side comparison. ?I’m leaning on going with Felder. ?All of my other big machines will be Felder (also planning on ordering a K740, AD951 & F700Z, plus dust collection) in 12-18 months) and all other factors being equal, why complicate ordering, shipping, service etc. by dealing with more than one company? ?But if the ACM or anything else is significantly better I’m open to it. ?Not to mention, the idea of a slider on the bandsaw is appealing. ?And the ACM Swing line is about the sexiest thing I’ve ever seen (don’t tell my wife I said that) although I can’t imagine ever needing that kind of functionality or capacity.
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On Feb 20, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Brian Rowland < rowfam50@...> wrote: I own a Felder FB510 and an ACM Star 600.
I spent years trying to find a good used Italian Bandsaw and gave up and bought the FB510.new
The FB510 is a great bandsaw - with a couple of minor annoyances.
In my opinion the electronic braking system is agricultural - causing weird noises and vibration each time the machine is turned off.
But on the plus side it cuts accurately and is a very gutsy machine. And has the excellent fence system allowing useful table extensions.
Plus the guide system which is why I selected it over the SCM option.
The ACM 600 Built in 2000 was purchased from a friend - it came up ironically just after I had purchased the Felder (!)
Beautifully built, the ACM has superbly balanced cast wheels ?solid and remarkably quiet (makes the Felder seem noisy in operation)
No electronic braking nonsense either just a good old fashioned foot brake that does the job.
I couldn’t resist it - as it was “As New ” condition for less than half the price of the FB510.
The two machines share many similarities and no doubt the FB510 is a derivative of the excellent ACM design.
You can’t go wrong with either - but I think the best bandsaws come from Italy.
And a good used ACM, Centaur or Agazzani are great value and worth consideration.
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Re: Bandsaws: Felder vs ACM
The 600 is ACM's Star series which is lighter than their "40" series.? Only relevant if resawing a lot.? Dave
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I own a Felder FB510 and an ACM Star 600.
I spent years trying to find a good used Italian Bandsaw and gave up and bought the FB510.new
The FB510 is a great bandsaw - with a couple of minor annoyances.
In my opinion the electronic braking system is agricultural - causing weird noises and vibration each time the machine is turned off.
But on the plus side it cuts accurately and is a very gutsy machine. And has the excellent fence system allowing useful table extensions.
Plus the guide system which is why I selected it over the SCM option.
The ACM 600 Built in 2000 was purchased from a friend - it came up ironically just after I had purchased the Felder (!)
Beautifully built, the ACM has superbly balanced cast wheels ?solid and remarkably quiet (makes the Felder seem noisy in operation)
No electronic braking nonsense either just a good old fashioned foot brake that does the job.
I couldn’t resist it - as it was “As New ” condition for less than half the price of the FB510.
The two machines share many similarities and no doubt the FB510 is a derivative of the excellent ACM design.
You can’t go wrong with either - but I think the best bandsaws come from Italy.
And a good used ACM, Centaur or Agazzani are great value and worth consideration.
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Re: Bandsaws: Felder vs ACM
I own a Felder FB510 and an ACM Star 600.
I spent years trying to find a good used Italian Bandsaw and gave up and bought the FB510.new
The FB510 is a great bandsaw - with a couple of minor annoyances.
In my opinion the electronic braking system is agricultural - causing weird noises and vibration each time the machine is turned off.
But on the plus side it cuts accurately and is a very gutsy machine. And has the excellent fence system allowing useful table extensions.
Plus the guide system which is why I selected it over the SCM option.
The ACM 600 Built in 2000 was purchased from a friend - it came up ironically just after I had purchased the Felder (!)
Beautifully built, the ACM has superbly balanced cast wheels ?solid and remarkably quiet (makes the Felder seem noisy in operation)
No electronic braking nonsense either just a good old fashioned foot brake that does the job.
I couldn’t resist it - as it was “As New ” condition for less than half the price of the FB510.
The two machines share many similarities and no doubt the FB510 is a derivative of the excellent ACM design.
You can’t go wrong with either - but I think the best bandsaws come from Italy.
And a good used ACM, Centaur or Agazzani are great value and worth consideration.
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I ordered my C3 31 on 12/29/2019; received it on 1/24/2020.? I've been trying my level best to set it up and have not been able to get the thicknessing planer to stop kicking and/or sniping boards.? I've worked with tech support and now a field tech has been working with me as well over the phone and email.? I've been using very accurate gauges (0.01 mm) and have sent photos and videos to the Felder staff multiple times over the last few weeks without any success.?
I am at my wits' end with this machine.? I've filled a large dust collector bag already with just the chips from attempting to adjust this planer.? I'm about ready to tell Felder they can take the machine back and I'll go with another brand.? I've setup other machines previously and never had anywhere near this much trouble and never had to spend more than 6 hours adjusting even much less expensive and/or sometimes poorly built machines (Harbor Freight, Grizzly, Dewalt, Steel City, Delta, etc.)
Has anyone else had problems like this or struggled this much to get a new machine to work properly?
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Re: Bandsaws: Felder vs ACM
Cross-licensing. ? “Give us your bandsaw designs and we’ll sell you sliding tables.” ??
David Best
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Interesting that the Summa appears to have the Xroll sliding table
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:40 PM David Kumm via Groups.Io <davekumm= [email protected]> wrote:
FB saws are not sourced from ACM.? The Felder 740 industrial line is ACM.? Dave
Someone recently made a comment that the Felder FBs were/are rebranded ACMs but not as good as the bandsaws directly from ACM.? So now I’m looking at the BS 740 and even the Summa 740 2” but have no idea how they compare to Felder in
quality much less price.? Obviously the Summa has got to be significantly more expensive.
Any general or specific feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Gerald
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Bandsaws: Felder vs ACM
Interesting that the Summa appears to have the Xroll sliding table
Dave
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 2:40 PM David Kumm via Groups.Io <davekumm= [email protected]> wrote:
FB saws are not sourced from ACM.? The Felder 740 industrial line is ACM.? Dave
Someone recently made a comment that the Felder FBs were/are rebranded ACMs but not as good as the bandsaws directly from ACM.? So now I’m looking at the BS 740 and even the Summa 740 2” but have no idea how they compare to Felder in
quality much less price.? Obviously the Summa has got to be significantly more expensive.
Any general or specific feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Gerald
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Bandsaws: Felder vs ACM
FB saws are not sourced from ACM.? The Felder 740 industrial line is ACM.? Dave
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Someone recently made a comment that the Felder FBs were/are rebranded ACMs but not as good as the bandsaws directly from ACM.? So now I’m looking at the BS 740 and even the Summa 740 2” but have no idea how they compare to Felder in
quality much less price.? Obviously the Summa has got to be significantly more expensive.
Any general or specific feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Gerald
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Someone recently made a comment that the Felder FBs were/are rebranded ACMs but not as good as the bandsaws directly from ACM. So now I’m looking at the BS 740 and even the Summa 740 2” but have no idea how they compare to Felder in quality much less price. Obviously the Summa has got to be significantly more expensive.
Any general or specific feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Gerald
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Re: FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
Humm, been a while since I took mechanics and am in software development now so go figure.? Wouldn’t the definition below of strong be that it is strong and stiff and not just strong? Regards, Mark
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On Feb 20, 2020, at 1:37 PM, mark thomas via Groups.Io <murkyd@...> wrote:
?In material science, generally:
Stiff — resists deformation
Strong — resists both deformation and failure
But I suspect everyone knows what "strong" meant in the context of a bandsaw.
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Re: FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
In material science, generally:
Stiff — resists deformation
Strong — resists both deformation and failure
But I suspect everyone knows what "strong" meant in the context of a bandsaw.
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Hi Sang,
Great, I am sure you will come up with a great plan.? Could using the ceiling as the support surface simplify the mounting issue?? I believe some have shown concepts that appear workable.
-Bob
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Re: FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
Oops, hit send... Strong would be more like how much it can bend before it will yield but stiffness is more like how much it will resist yielding/deformation to a load. Regards, Mark
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On Feb 20, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Mark Kessler via Groups.Io <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? I think it’s stiffness we are looking for here. Regards, Mark On Feb 20, 2020, at 1:05 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 08:54 AM, "jmkserv@... wrote:
The hardest part is getting a strong column design with little flex.?
Strong is easy, it's strong and cheap that's harder ;-) The crown on my FB610 wheel works out to about 7" radius.
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Re: FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
I think it’s stiffness we are looking for here. Regards, Mark
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On Feb 20, 2020, at 1:05 PM, mark thomas <murkyd@...> wrote:
?On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 08:54 AM, "jmkserv@... wrote:
The hardest part is getting a strong column design with little flex.?
Strong is easy, it's strong and cheap that's harder ;-) The crown on my FB610 wheel works out to about 7" radius.
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Re: FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 08:54 AM, "jmkserv@... wrote:
The hardest part is getting a strong column design with little flex.?
Strong is easy, it's strong and cheap that's harder ;-) The crown on my FB610 wheel works out to about 7" radius.
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Re: segmented pressure beam for AD 951?
?Felder offers segmented infeed rollers on some models. I do not have my Dual51 manual so I cannot look up the spec (not sure if it exists) but I can feed boards with slight variation in thickness with steel serrated infeed roller.
I am not doing production and I usually process boards of similar thickness for a project.
So?as a hobby woodworker I am not?sure how much a segmented infeed roller costs and how reliable it is but likely I would not pay a lot for it.
Imran On Feb 20, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
? Thats what I had on my scm, miss that planer... Regards, Mark On Feb 20, 2020, at 11:23 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Here is a pic of segmented infeed roller?
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Imran
On Feb 20, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Justin Tocci <justin@...> wrote:
?I have never seen a segmented corrugated steel feed roller, but I suspect I would like it!
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Mac I seem to remember you also documented parts of your build process or is that one of my delusional memories.
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:48 AM Airtight: Clamps by Air Compression < airtightclamps@...> wrote: Overhead saw guard? It really annoys when overhead saw guard moves so many years back I replaced the ?funky SCMI with my own design. I used the Felder saw hood and inside of the telescopic arm. This slides in and out on humw slide pads with one lever so it can move laterally as my saw moves laterally 6” . It also slides quickly out of the way for access and out of way for shaper fence. I can also quickly pull the whole arm out.? The saw guard hood has 4 quick release bolts to take off and put back on. The rest of the affair is based of a 6” tube steel post of set for cross cuts. The whole thing bolts together in a few sub assemblies. Pretty much all made from scrap bin. View from behind saw.
Mac,,, ? Designing and building for 47 years On Feb 19, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Alex Bowlds <aabj@...> wrote:
? I will try to remember to post some photos of the older design tomorrow.? I had taken photos showing the droop and sent them to Felder some time ago.? I just no longer have them on my iPad.A.On Feb 19, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Mark Kessler <mkessler10@...> wrote:
?Right, will double check tonight but mine definitely does not for at least 5-8” of swing. I can set the bottom of the clear polycarbonate to a hair above the top of the blade and can swing it past the blade without the guard touching the blade for example
Regards, Mark
On Feb 19, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Sang Luu <sangluu@...> wrote:
?Alex noted that the drooping occurs when the arm is swung (I assume 90 degrees) out of the way.
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Re: FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
Well I would think it's a pretty good connection considering the upper end bandsaws were and maybe still are Italian. It would be nothing for? company like Felder to dissect one. Most of the parts in the units Laguna and Felder I've seen are pretty universal. The hardest part is getting a strong column design with little flex.??
With regards to crowning tires there are many references saying this was done to make up for sloppy setups. The bottom line is setup your band where the manufacturer designed your machine to run. Also take into consideration the type of band you are using. An 1 1/4" band with low tooth count and a wide kerf will need to be setup differently then 3/8" flat kerf or a 1/4" fine tooth. This is true whether the band is flat or crowned. I have yet to find a definitive answer on what a proper crown should be. I seen anything from being based on a 5" to 7" radius to a 12 angle degree. They also say there are varied references somewhere on the Old machinery groups site. Dave you might know more about that.? So far I haven't read here what the manual for the various Hammer / Felder machines actually says for blade setting.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: David Kumm <davekumm@...> Date: 2020-02-20 9:57 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
I think a disconnect here is an assumption that the FB series are copies of Italian machines.? Dave
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Subject: Re: [FOG] FB610 bandsaw blade position on the wheels: in the middle or near the edge?
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What's the definition of “flat” that people are using here?? My FB610 has a very obvious center ~.015" higher than edges.? What's the curvature of a typical crowned wheel??
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 8:20 PM habacomike via Groups.Io <habacomike= [email protected]> wrote:
European saws, of which the Felder saws are examples, have flat wheels and, as a result, are positioned with the teeth off of the front of the wheels.
On Feb 18, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Anil < anil00@...> wrote:
Thanks John, I actually spent a few hours reading many posts about the bandsaws (searched for variations of? "FB" and "610"), but do not remember specific discussion around the proper position on the wheel.? It's entirely possible I missed such a discussion;
if so, I'm sorry about adding to the group churn in that case.? Hopefully this thread will still be of use for a future searcher :-)
Anil
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David P. Best
imran