Re: Altendorf wins award for camera-based saw safety system
I think I just saw recently that Felder has something like this as well, if I remember correctly.
On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 04:17:40 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
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Re: Why did they ban dado's in Europe?? (was Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality)
Very Very interesting!! thanks for sharing..
On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 04:02:58 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Jonathan that appears to be the same 3 pcs Dado they use here. Again I also tested that unit and because of the lack of cutters gave the same sort of cuts. The other issue is the narrowest cut it can achieve is 8mm/5/16". This is sort of a bastard size as far as materials go, at least in NA. Thanx for bringing us up to date on the EU regulations.
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 5:20 AM Jonathan Martens < jonathan@...> wrote:
On 27-1-2020 19:27, Randy Child via
Groups.Io wrote:
Why did they ban dado's in Europe??
Safety regulation IIRC:
- a riving knife has to be used at all times, I have not seen a
dynamic riving knife matching the kerf off the dado blade. Riving
knives are usually a little wider than the saw blade kerf, which
is not possible when cutting dados.
- axis in EU are usually braked to prevent long spinning after
shutting off the machine, as far as I know this is different to
non-EU. The inner blades of the dado stack are often not rigidly
fixed to the axis and therefore can not be braked easily.
- shaper is a safer alternative with appropriate hoods (also
required) and/or mechanical feeder as the cutter is minimally
exposed.
But stuff seems to change here as well. Not sure if that is for
the better or according to regulations:
Apparently Felder sells a device that has a striking resemblance
with a adjustable groove cutter for the shaper as a saw blade as
well. The dutch Felder webshop shows one on a saw with part no.
500-03-021 ()
It still is different to a dado blade though as there is a left,
a right part and optional central part, which are rigidly fixed to
the axis using the pins on either side of the axis hole.
Regards,
Jonathan
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Altendorf wins award for camera-based saw safety system
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Re: Why did they ban dado's in Europe?? (was Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality)
Jonathan that appears to be the same 3 pcs Dado they use here. Again I also tested that unit and because of the lack of cutters gave the same sort of cuts. The other issue is the narrowest cut it can achieve is 8mm/5/16". This is sort of a bastard size as far as materials go, at least in NA. Thanx for bringing us up to date on the EU regulations.
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 5:20 AM Jonathan Martens < jonathan@...> wrote:
On 27-1-2020 19:27, Randy Child via
Groups.Io wrote:
Why did they ban dado's in Europe??
Safety regulation IIRC:
- a riving knife has to be used at all times, I have not seen a
dynamic riving knife matching the kerf off the dado blade. Riving
knives are usually a little wider than the saw blade kerf, which
is not possible when cutting dados.
- axis in EU are usually braked to prevent long spinning after
shutting off the machine, as far as I know this is different to
non-EU. The inner blades of the dado stack are often not rigidly
fixed to the axis and therefore can not be braked easily.
- shaper is a safer alternative with appropriate hoods (also
required) and/or mechanical feeder as the cutter is minimally
exposed.
But stuff seems to change here as well. Not sure if that is for
the better or according to regulations:
Apparently Felder sells a device that has a striking resemblance
with a adjustable groove cutter for the shaper as a saw blade as
well. The dutch Felder webshop shows one on a saw with part no.
500-03-021 ()
It still is different to a dado blade though as there is a left,
a right part and optional central part, which are rigidly fixed to
the axis using the pins on either side of the axis hole.
Regards,
Jonathan
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Re: Airlines for new shop
I used type L copper piping/fittings with 50/50 solder which will flow easily with propane torch. ? Silver solder is for drinking water applications and requires higher heat like Mapp gas.
David Best
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On Jan 27, 2020, at 5:02 PM, rainger < rainger@...> wrote:
Hello,?
I'm in the same boat, getting ready to run air lines in a new shop,? I'm leaning towards copper,? what thickness/type did you all use?? Is type M too thin? Did you use silver solder or soft solder? Thanks in advance for your input.?
Rainger Pinney
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:51 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a ¡°T¡± somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
Mark Foster? For once, I¡¯m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I¡¯ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn¡¯t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Hello,?
I'm in the same boat, getting ready to run air lines in a new shop,? I'm leaning towards copper,? what thickness/type did you all use?? Is type M too thin? Did you use silver solder or soft solder? Thanks in advance for your input.?
Rainger Pinney
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:51 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a ¡°T¡± somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
Mark Foster? For once, I¡¯m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I¡¯ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn¡¯t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Why did they ban dado's in Europe?? (was Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality)
On 27-1-2020 19:27, Randy Child via
Groups.Io wrote:
Why did they ban dado's in Europe??
Safety regulation IIRC:
- a riving knife has to be used at all times, I have not seen a
dynamic riving knife matching the kerf off the dado blade. Riving
knives are usually a little wider than the saw blade kerf, which
is not possible when cutting dados.
- axis in EU are usually braked to prevent long spinning after
shutting off the machine, as far as I know this is different to
non-EU. The inner blades of the dado stack are often not rigidly
fixed to the axis and therefore can not be braked easily.
- shaper is a safer alternative with appropriate hoods (also
required) and/or mechanical feeder as the cutter is minimally
exposed.
But stuff seems to change here as well. Not sure if that is for
the better or according to regulations:
Apparently Felder sells a device that has a striking resemblance
with a adjustable groove cutter for the shaper as a saw blade as
well. The dutch Felder webshop shows one on a saw with part no.
500-03-021 ()
It still is different to a dado blade though as there is a left,
a right part and optional central part, which are rigidly fixed to
the axis using the pins on either side of the axis hole.
Regards,
Jonathan
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Re: Airlines for new shop
Glen you will typically only need a dryer if you have a compressor that is constant running suppling a large volume of air. In most cases a good waterfilter/separator will be enough. I run with 2 separators, one about 24" off the compressor and another on the line going to my spray guns. Line drops take care of the rest. An auto drain on the compressor is another nice feature.?
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While on the topic, what causes the water build up? is it the compressor , the temp in and outside the building or humidity.? I was going to put in an air dryer but haven't yet, and I just checked my main drain line after six months and almost nothing, and the drops at the machine absolutely nothing. Kinda thinking I don't need the air drier. And this is a good distraction from the fact I just made 32 drawer fronts the wrong size. don't second guess the computer. off to get more material and start again. Glen Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:12 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: David, Your drops look almost identical to ours. We did install a refrigerated air dryer as well because in the summer we still have excessive water build up. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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I feel your pain on the drawer fronts Glen! I've remade a couple things this week already and it's only Monday...
Our shop is in Minnesota. It's very humid here in the summer, and even though we have AC to cool and dry it out, we get moisture accumulation. We also have a couple hundred feet of airline not including the drops from 18'. Our main line is galvanized as it was in place already. Everything we added is copper. We usually only run the dryer June-September or so. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
612 432-2765
While on the topic, what causes the water build up? is it the compressor , the temp in and outside the building or humidity.? I was going to put in an air dryer but haven't yet, and I just checked my main drain line after six months and almost nothing, and the drops at the machine absolutely nothing. Kinda thinking I don't need the air drier. And this is a good distraction from the fact I just made 32 drawer fronts the wrong size. don't second guess the computer. off to get more material and start again. Glen Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:12 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: David, Your drops look almost identical to ours. We did install a refrigerated air dryer as well because in the summer we still have excessive water build up. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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While on the topic, what causes the water build up? is it the compressor , the temp in and outside the building or humidity.? I was going to put in an air dryer but haven't yet, and I just checked my main drain line after six months and almost nothing, and the drops at the machine absolutely nothing. Kinda thinking I don't need the air drier. And this is a good distraction from the fact I just made 32 drawer fronts the wrong size. don't second guess the computer. off to get more material and start again. Glen Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:12 PM Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote: David, Your drops look almost identical to ours. We did install a refrigerated air dryer as well because in the summer we still have excessive water build up. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
--
Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Airlines for new shop
David, Your drops look almost identical to ours. We did install a refrigerated air dryer as well because in the summer we still have excessive water build up. Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765 -- Jason J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Airlines for new shop
Nice, When I do my copper lines I was thinking of doing an ¡°s¡± shape with a drip leg at the bottom to allow the air to cool from the compressor and allow it to condensate, anyone try that? Worth the effort? Regards, Mark
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On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:21 PM, "david@..." <david@...> wrote:
? I used type L copper piping/fittings with 50/50 solder which will flow easily with propane torch. ? Silver solder is for drinking water applications and requires higher heat like Mapp gas. ?Like Glen, I too like soldering - Heathkits when young got me in the habit. ? ?If you don¡¯t have a dryer at the compressor end, design your system with the expectation that water will condense in long lines and needs some manner to get out other than spraying into your equipment inlets.??If your main supply line throughout the shop is long and is high up, take the drops off vertically, then through a 180 and down - that keeps a lot of the water from condensation out of the drops. ? I also put condensation water dump ball valves at each end of the main supply and at the bottom of each drop. ? Examples below:
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David Best On Jan 27, 2020, at 5:02 PM, rainger < rainger@...> wrote:
Hello,?
I'm in the same boat, getting ready to run air lines in a new shop,? I'm leaning towards copper,? what thickness/type did you all use?? Is type M too thin? Did you use silver solder or soft solder? Thanks in advance for your input.?
Rainger Pinney
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:51 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a ¡°T¡± somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
Mark Foster? For once, I¡¯m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I¡¯ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn¡¯t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Heath Kits ? I loved those as a kid. My Dad finally had to buy me my own soldering gun because I always had his in my room. Made many things with those. Maybe that's why I like doing it. That brings back some good memories. Almost as good as the days working with my Dad in his shop. Yea I wish he could see what I have now and that he is the one responsible. Anyhow, I used the middle grade copper pipe, cant remember what type that is and mapp gas. Not only was the soldering a breeze but I use the mapp gas to start my woodstove. No kindling for me. Glen Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
I used type L copper piping/fittings with 50/50 solder which will flow easily with propane torch. ? Silver solder is for drinking water applications and requires higher heat like Mapp gas.? Like Glen, I too like soldering - Heathkits when young got me in the habit. ? ?If you don¡¯t have a dryer at the compressor end, design your system with the expectation that water will condense in long lines and needs some manner to get out other than spraying into your equipment inlets.??If your main supply line throughout the shop is long and is high up, take the drops off vertically, then through a 180 and down - that keeps a lot of the water from condensation out of the drops. ? I also put condensation water dump ball valves at each end of the main supply and at the bottom of each drop. ? Examples below:
David Best On Jan 27, 2020, at 5:02 PM, rainger < rainger@...> wrote:
Hello,?
I'm in the same boat, getting ready to run air lines in a new shop,? I'm leaning towards copper,? what thickness/type did you all use?? Is type M too thin? Did you use silver solder or soft solder? Thanks in advance for your input.?
Rainger Pinney
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:51 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a ¡°T¡± somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
Mark Foster? For once, I¡¯m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I¡¯ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn¡¯t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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I¡¯m not quite understanding your email. What DRO functions do you want? As Dave stated, we make a DRO flipstop, and DRO parallel fences. If you are looking for rip fence, it¡¯s too easy to make your own bracket and hook it up yourself.
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Decided to go with the 500 professional.? The digital readouts I¡¯ll have three phase, unless I want to wait 4 to 5 months for a new build.? I don¡¯t want to deal with $1500-$3000 phase converter¡¯s either.
now my mission is to find an aftermarket digital readout.
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I used type L copper piping/fittings with 50/50 solder which will flow easily with propane torch. ? Silver solder is for drinking water applications and requires higher heat like Mapp gas. ?Like Glen, I too like soldering - Heathkits when young got me in the habit. ? ?If you don¡¯t have a dryer at the compressor end, design your system with the expectation that water will condense in long lines and needs some manner to get out other than spraying into your equipment inlets.??If your main supply line throughout the shop is long and is high up, take the drops off vertically, then through a 180 and down - that keeps a lot of the water from condensation out of the drops. ? I also put condensation water dump ball valves at each end of the main supply and at the bottom of each drop. ? Examples below:
David Best
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On Jan 27, 2020, at 5:02 PM, rainger < rainger@...> wrote:
Hello,?
I'm in the same boat, getting ready to run air lines in a new shop,? I'm leaning towards copper,? what thickness/type did you all use?? Is type M too thin? Did you use silver solder or soft solder? Thanks in advance for your input.?
Rainger Pinney
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:51 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a ¡°T¡± somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
Mark Foster? For once, I¡¯m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I¡¯ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn¡¯t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Michael ? Brian Lamb makes one? ? ?
or you can make your own with a Fiama DRO head
Dave Davies
Decided to go with the 500 professional.?
The digital readouts I¡¯ll have three phase, unless I want to wait 4 to 5 months for a new build.?
I don¡¯t want to deal with $1500-$3000 phase converter¡¯s either.
now my mission is to find an aftermarket digital readout.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Joe, I am a firm believer in copper. I ran 1" from the compressor to the DC and 3/4 everywhere else. I did slope all my lines to condensate drains but so far I have not had any water build up. I question all the quick fit pex and like products, but they are putting it in all the houses now so I guess it works good. Plus I enjoy soldering fittings, don't know why but I just do. Glen Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper?
I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air.
Advice welcome.
PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Re: Felder Dado Set cut quality
Imran they aren't really stuck with the tooling it's just there is better tooling for certain cuts as I have pointed out. This isn't something you are going to get from most sales people or the literature of someone trying to sell it. I have wasted some money on slot cutting tooling from Rangate when in reality that Freud dado set covers 99% of what I need in the dado slot cutting in all wood type materials, on both the saw and shaper for less than a quarter of the cost of my shaper slot cutting tooling. It also gives a higher quality cut because of the tooth configuration. The downside is that it's not insert tooling. It's taken time/money to figure this out and anyone is free to agree or disagree and share their experiences.?
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Well for ripping more teeth is not the right direction. I asked the question regarding chip evacuation vs more cuts/in because people who are stuck with $1100 in dado tooling may be able to get better results with, relatively speaking, higher feed rates with improved dust collection. Although, for a business, it may be cheaper to buy new tooling.
Imran On Jan 27, 2020, at 11:27 PM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
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Oh I agree..its like a 100 tooth blade versus blade with 24 tooth.. obviously the blade with the 100 teeth is going to give a better cut than the latter.. come to think of it, theres really only 8 outside cutters on the Felder compared to a 24 tooth dado blade..
Why did they ban dado's in Europe??
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 09:12:44 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
It makes up for a poor design for cutting Melamine. The cutter works reasonably with other materials but not great. If you compare the number of teeth doing the actual? cutting and clearing you see the problem. I'm sure if you got someone designing a cutter that actually understood the mechanics of getting a great cut in Melamine with PC they might come up with a cutter. Or you just examine what already makes a great cut. They might actually get rid of the bat ears too. Remember in Europe they banned Dado cuts with a saw so there's probably limited interest.? ? ? Sounds like someone at Rangate wants to re¡ªinvent the cutterhead. Doubling or tripling the actual number of cutters might be a good start but would you be able to afford it. Most of this work is done on a CNC now.?
John JMK Services
-------- Original message -------- From: "imranindiana via Groups.Io" <imranindiana@...> Date: 2020-01-27 11:53 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
Hi John,
Thanks for the info. I am not educated in the science of milling so ? are the slow feed rate results better because of better chip evacuation or less cuts/mins or both?
Imran On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:58 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Yes both 3/8" x 3/8" and same higher quality melamine board not found at Home Desperation.?
John JMK Services
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-27 10:34 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
are the Freud depth of cuts the same as the Felder depths? just asking
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 07:31:34 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Here's my Freud dado at normal feed rate that I use for most cuts in all materials, about 20'/min. It's 12 to 15 years old model SD508. It's been bored and pinhole.?
John JMK Services
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-27 10:11 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
The 20 and 30 second cuts looks acceptable, but the amount of time for the cut is really bad.. and wow..that 10 second cut really is horrible!?
I would love to see a comparison of several dado blades, such as a Forrest, Amana, Ridge, Felder..etc.. see which brand can cut the cleanest in least amount of time in melamine..
I personally think melamine, being a resinous coated material, is just a difficult substrate to cut cleanly 100% of the time.? I could be wrong though, but having used this material for years, I have found it to be a temperamental material at times.? I also know that there are different level of qualities of melamine.. for example, when I was at the Felder facility, they had several different brands of melamine and when I looked closely, several brands had a much tighter grain than other brands including the brand I brought in. That make a difference as well.
Thanks for sharing your results
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 06:57:57 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
We have had recent discussion about the quality of cut in Melamine. I had to do some 3/8" wide dado cuts so borrowed a friends Felder dado set to check it out. This is the first time I've used this particular set so I did a quick check of the carbide cutters and didn't find any problem with alignment. The pics shows the quality of cuts in a random melamine cutoff I had in the shop. There are 3 24" cuts done at various feed speeds. First cut was timed at 10 +- seconds or 12'/min, second cut at 20+- seconds or 6'/min and the third cut at 30 seconds 4'/min. As you can see the second cut is very similar to the cut from the other Dado set tuned by Felder. The third cut is clean but production time at 4'/min is unacceptable. These are similar to the results I got 10 years ago when I tested for Felder in Toronto area. You have to be the judge whether this is good for your application. For the record I didn't have any issues with any other materials cutting with the grain, crosscuts had a little chipout on veneers.. If there is any interest I will post cuts in other materials.
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Re: Airlines for new shop
Another vote for PEX - easy to install, fewest joints, hasn't developed any leaks since install 10 years ago.
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 4:51 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a ¡°T¡± somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
Mark Foster? For once, I¡¯m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I¡¯ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn¡¯t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Re: Airlines for new shop
I used Parker Hannifin rubber push loc 801-6-blk. Rated for 350 pounds in 3/8 with their brass fittings. I am really happy with how it turned out, easy install, no leaks and easy to cut in a ¡°T¡± somewhere if you want to add a drop.?
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On Jan 27, 2020, at 15:05, " david@..." < david@...> wrote: For once, I¡¯m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I¡¯ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn¡¯t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone? ? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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