Decided to go with the 500 professional.?
The digital readouts I¡¯ll have three phase, unless I want to wait 4 to 5 months for a new build.?
I don¡¯t want to deal with $1500-$3000 phase converter¡¯s either.
now my mission is to find an aftermarket digital readout.
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Re: Airlines for new shop
For once, I¡¯m in complete alignment with John on this topic. I¡¯ve put copper in all my shops and wouldn¡¯t use anything else.? David Best - via mobile phone?
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On Jan 27, 2020, at 12:16 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- From: Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Hey thanks Rick! You're a star!
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Re: Hammer K3 sliding table support
You're talking about , right?? I struggled getting that lined up as well, and my salesman even noted that it's a pain to move after the fact.? I'm not in my shop right now, but I seem to recall there are some adjustable bolts that affect the alignment.? I also want to say both sets of bolts (attachment and adjustment) were installed strangely on the piece when it was packaged for shipment, but I might be mis-remembering there.
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They make straight pex , I use 1/2¡±I¡¯d rubber hose But I will use pex in basement it is just to to to easy. Mac,,, Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
? We used 3/4" PEX to re-run our pneumatic plumbing last year, it's been good to us and flexible to make splices and changes as we've needed. It feels like our air plumbing system holds about 20 gallons of air itself. It was worth it to unroll it for a few hours to let it relax instead of fighting it to keep straight on install. It'll never be as straight and pretty as rigid pipe, but it'll never cost as much to buy or maintain either. ?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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We used 3/4" PEX to re-run our pneumatic plumbing last year, it's been good to us and flexible to make splices and changes as we've needed. It feels like our air plumbing system holds about 20 gallons of air itself. It was worth it to unroll it for a few hours to let it relax instead of fighting it to keep straight on install. It'll never be as straight and pretty as rigid pipe, but it'll never cost as much to buy or maintain either.
?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
-------- Original message -------- Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
-- Brett Wissel Saint Louis Restoration 1831 S Kingshighway Blvd (at Shaw Blvd) St Louis, MO 63110 314.772.2167 brett@...
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Tom, due to the confluence of your recommendation and the end of useful life for a batch of our shop tables, I decided to try out your "musing ".As a result, the home depot guy gave me an entire ing offer of $50?off each one to get rid of all the black Friday leftovers....so I got 5 in total. This is the 46, 52, and 62 nested.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 1:46 PM < tom@...> wrote: After further musing, I've come to the conclusion that as sexy as the FAT 300 tables are, I'm probably better off directing my resources towards a KF-700. In the mean time, I'm still not super happy with my current arrangement of rolling cabinets topped with MFT/3 tables. Recalling back to just using the MFT/3 tables, I remember wishing they were mobile.?
I think the middle path I'm going to pursue are the Husky adjustable height tables: ?
Overall, they fulfill the requirements of being mobile and having adjustable height. I don't like that the tops don't extend past the frame, so I'll likely fabricate my own tops (probably laminated Baltic Birch) with a 20mm grid pattern so I can use my RUWI and TSO equipment.
The "secret sauce" I realized the other day is that if I buy the 46" and 62" models, I can nest the 46" table inside/underneath the 62" table, thus taking up less shop space when necessary. I'd still have my extra MFT/3 tables stored folded that I can deploy as necessary.?
When I pick them up and put into service I'll follow up with impressions.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Telescopic Extension, Short Crosscut Fence, Install Help?
I lost my little brass nubbin thingy that locks the extension in place. Could someone take a picture of it and send to me so I can make one? maybe with measurements also.
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Re: Airlines for new shop
?Joe I used commercial grade copper, reasonable price for good tube and fittings. 3/4" with 1/2" drops. Combination of solder and Shark bites joints. Honestly black pipe or Aluminum weren't even considerations.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: Joe Jensen <joe.jensen@...> Date: 2020-01-27 2:45 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: [FOG] Airlines for new shop
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper? I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air. Advice welcome. PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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If I had it to do all over again...and I will in five years when I finally retire and build a real shop...I'd go with Rapid Air and straight pipes.? ? I went with black pipe in my current shop and I can't begin to tell you how much of a pain it was to get installed and air tight. Dave Davies
I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper?
I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air.
Advice welcome.
PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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I will be running airlines in the new shop soon.? I had been assuming I'd use Rapid Air.? If I do use that, would you do the hard lines or the roll. With the roll it looks like you need a straightener.? Or should I do copper?
I don't use a ton of air.? I have an old Quincy 60 gallon with a 325 pump. I set it up with a 3HP motor so it runs slow.? I could change to a 5HP and double the speed to like 900 RPM.? I was thinking 3/4" lines would be fine.? I will use my current hose reel and add a couple more and a couple of machines need air.
Advice welcome.
PS, ordered all the Nordfab and the local licensed seller was cheapest.? Cheaper than Griz, etc.
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Anyone ever seen a parts list or even better an exploded parts drawing for a BF6 combi machine?
The user manual has wiring diagrams but thats all.
Failing that, can anyone take a photo of the dust extraction pipes inside the machine?
Cheers!
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Anyone ever seen a parts list or even better an exploded parts drawing for a BF6 combi machine?
The user manual has wiring diagrams but thats all.
Failing that, can anyone take a photo of the dust extraction pipes inside the machine?
Cheers!
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Re: Hammer K3 sliding table support
I had no trouble installing my table.
Can you post some pictures?
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Jerry P
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All I can tell you Ben is it got to the point with the Robland saw was only used to rip everything oversized and then cut to the final size with my Powermatic 66 and a good laminate blade.. it was that bad..
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 09:06:40 AM PST, Benjamin Thompson via Groups.Io <scribbleben@...> wrote:
Thanks for all the comments everyone!
Sounds like that Robland should stay someone else¡¯s problem.
I did a quick scan of the Robland forums. It looks they are indeed constantly going out of alignment.
Thanks for saving me from a monstrous 1000 lb headache.
ben
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Re: Felder Dado Set cut quality
Oh I agree..its like a 100 tooth blade versus blade with 24 tooth.. obviously the blade with the 100 teeth is going to give a better cut than the latter.. come to think of it, theres really only 8 outside cutters on the Felder compared to a 24 tooth dado blade..
Why did they ban dado's in Europe??
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 09:12:44 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
It makes up for a poor design for cutting Melamine. The cutter works reasonably with other materials but not great. If you compare the number of teeth doing the actual? cutting and clearing you see the problem. I'm sure if you got someone designing a cutter that actually understood the mechanics of getting a great cut in Melamine with PC they might come up with a cutter. Or you just examine what already makes a great cut. They might actually get rid of the bat ears too. Remember in Europe they banned Dado cuts with a saw so there's probably limited interest.? ? ? Sounds like someone at Rangate wants to re¡ªinvent the cutterhead. Doubling or tripling the actual number of cutters might be a good start but would you be able to afford it. Most of this work is done on a CNC now.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "imranindiana via Groups.Io" <imranindiana@...> Date: 2020-01-27 11:53 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
Hi John,
Thanks for the info. I am not educated in the science of milling so ? are the slow feed rate results better because of better chip evacuation or less cuts/mins or both?
Imran On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:58 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Yes both 3/8" x 3/8" and same higher quality melamine board not found at Home Desperation.?
John JMK Services
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-27 10:34 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
are the Freud depth of cuts the same as the Felder depths? just asking
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 07:31:34 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Here's my Freud dado at normal feed rate that I use for most cuts in all materials, about 20'/min. It's 12 to 15 years old model SD508. It's been bored and pinhole.?
John JMK Services
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-27 10:11 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
The 20 and 30 second cuts looks acceptable, but the amount of time for the cut is really bad.. and wow..that 10 second cut really is horrible!?
I would love to see a comparison of several dado blades, such as a Forrest, Amana, Ridge, Felder..etc.. see which brand can cut the cleanest in least amount of time in melamine..
I personally think melamine, being a resinous coated material, is just a difficult substrate to cut cleanly 100% of the time.? I could be wrong though, but having used this material for years, I have found it to be a temperamental material at times.? I also know that there are different level of qualities of melamine.. for example, when I was at the Felder facility, they had several different brands of melamine and when I looked closely, several brands had a much tighter grain than other brands including the brand I brought in. That make a difference as well.
Thanks for sharing your results
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 06:57:57 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
We have had recent discussion about the quality of cut in Melamine. I had to do some 3/8" wide dado cuts so borrowed a friends Felder dado set to check it out. This is the first time I've used this particular set so I did a quick check of the carbide cutters and didn't find any problem with alignment. The pics shows the quality of cuts in a random melamine cutoff I had in the shop. There are 3 24" cuts done at various feed speeds. First cut was timed at 10 +- seconds or 12'/min, second cut at 20+- seconds or 6'/min and the third cut at 30 seconds 4'/min. As you can see the second cut is very similar to the cut from the other Dado set tuned by Felder. The third cut is clean but production time at 4'/min is unacceptable. These are similar to the results I got 10 years ago when I tested for Felder in Toronto area. You have to be the judge whether this is good for your application. For the record I didn't have any issues with any other materials cutting with the grain, crosscuts had a little chipout on veneers.. If there is any interest I will post cuts in other materials.
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Hammer K3 sliding table support
Hi all. I am having a very hard time adjusting the add on support accessory that bolts to the left side of the sliding table on the Hammer K3.?
I have followed the directions and played with screws/bolts, etc but the table still ends up very high on the left side, farthest from the sliding table.?
Any insight or tips would be appreciated. Thanks?
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2 long shots here:
1. I purchased a T4-1600 hydraulic copy lathe that I knew 2 owners prior. During the 1 owner prior the main hydraulic tracer mechanism was damaged, removed and discarded. It's a Duplomatic TL2-80. I knew it would be a good project for a fixer upper if I just kept an eye out for parts and took time. However, I've been sitting on it for 6 months with no improvements made - maybe it needs to become parts for someone else's running machine or someone else's fixer-upper project.? The only American centauro dealer is not interested in helping with aftermarket support other than and entire new hydraulic tracer assembly for $11k, and nobody seems to be able to find/supply the Duplomatic tracer units otherwise - including goign directly through duplomatic themselves.?
2. If anyone has interest in this lathe, I'd be happy to sell FOB StLouis, MO for $3000. It needs to be with another lathe like it to swap parts and keep running hard. I believe with the options and the previous owner I knew when it was running and lovingly cared for, the unit was $50,000+ in 1994. Running units with all parts in similar condition are still out there on the market for $15k+. I'm just unsure I have the appetite to buy a whole new tracer assembly and labor costs in my shop in the foreseeable future.
3. This video is of an identical unit to what I have, if it were able to run in action:?
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Re: Felder Dado Set cut quality
It makes up for a poor design for cutting Melamine. The cutter works reasonably with other materials but not great. If you compare the number of teeth doing the actual? cutting and clearing you see the problem. I'm sure if you got someone designing a cutter that actually understood the mechanics of getting a great cut in Melamine with PC they might come up with a cutter. Or you just examine what already makes a great cut. They might actually get rid of the bat ears too. Remember in Europe they banned Dado cuts with a saw so there's probably limited interest.? ? ? Sounds like someone at Rangate wants to re¡ªinvent the cutterhead. Doubling or tripling the actual number of cutters might be a good start but would you be able to afford it. Most of this work is done on a CNC now.?
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-------- Original message -------- From: "imranindiana via Groups.Io" <imranindiana@...> Date: 2020-01-27 11:53 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
Hi John,
Thanks for the info. I am not educated in the science of milling so ? are the slow feed rate results better because of better chip evacuation or less cuts/mins or both?
Imran On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:58 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Yes both 3/8" x 3/8" and same higher quality melamine board not found at Home Desperation.?
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-27 10:34 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
are the Freud depth of cuts the same as the Felder depths? just asking
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 07:31:34 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Here's my Freud dado at normal feed rate that I use for most cuts in all materials, about 20'/min. It's 12 to 15 years old model SD508. It's been bored and pinhole.?
John JMK Services
-------- Original message -------- From: "Randy Child via Groups.Io" <strongman_one@...> Date: 2020-01-27 10:11 a.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado Set cut quality
The 20 and 30 second cuts looks acceptable, but the amount of time for the cut is really bad.. and wow..that 10 second cut really is horrible!?
I would love to see a comparison of several dado blades, such as a Forrest, Amana, Ridge, Felder..etc.. see which brand can cut the cleanest in least amount of time in melamine..
I personally think melamine, being a resinous coated material, is just a difficult substrate to cut cleanly 100% of the time.? I could be wrong though, but having used this material for years, I have found it to be a temperamental material at times.? I also know that there are different level of qualities of melamine.. for example, when I was at the Felder facility, they had several different brands of melamine and when I looked closely, several brands had a much tighter grain than other brands including the brand I brought in. That make a difference as well.
Thanks for sharing your results
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 06:57:57 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
We have had recent discussion about the quality of cut in Melamine. I had to do some 3/8" wide dado cuts so borrowed a friends Felder dado set to check it out. This is the first time I've used this particular set so I did a quick check of the carbide cutters and didn't find any problem with alignment. The pics shows the quality of cuts in a random melamine cutoff I had in the shop. There are 3 24" cuts done at various feed speeds. First cut was timed at 10 +- seconds or 12'/min, second cut at 20+- seconds or 6'/min and the third cut at 30 seconds 4'/min. As you can see the second cut is very similar to the cut from the other Dado set tuned by Felder. The third cut is clean but production time at 4'/min is unacceptable. These are similar to the results I got 10 years ago when I tested for Felder in Toronto area. You have to be the judge whether this is good for your application. For the record I didn't have any issues with any other materials cutting with the grain, crosscuts had a little chipout on veneers.. If there is any interest I will post cuts in other materials.
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Michael Glaser
David P. Best
Joe Jensen
Rick Levine