Re: Positioning Air Connections for Mac's Airtight clamps
#airtight
Now that¡¯s great service!
Bill Belanger?
When I bought my clamps, Mac included the plates predrilled and ready togo. All I had to do was send him the un-drilled plates.
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They convey it wirelessly.? In the electrical panel that houses the start/stop switches, the wireless modules are located there. These modules relay yo the motor to start up when the switches are pushed.? There is a transmitter receiver behind the switches on the sliding table.? Under the blavk plastic handle/tray of the remote switche is a coverplate that houses the 9v battery needed to work the remote switches.
Hope this makes sense..haha
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 08:18:48 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow,? I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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On the k700s it is wired, the send 24v through one of the slide rail, the cord is on the bottom of the fixed portion of the slide extrusion
Regards, Mark
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On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow, I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Just a curiosity. Do the on/off switches on the slider convey the signal with a wire or wirelessly? I have never seen an umbilical cord (in pics) but neither of my machines has this feature.
Looking thru the electrical schematics I noticed, IIRC, 433MHz, transmitter modules. That made me think that it is likely wireless.
BTW, how do you physically locate parts, shown on the schematic, on the machine? Anyhow, I would not be back in shop for 6 weeks ?
Imran
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Re: Positioning Air Connections for Mac's Airtight clamps
#airtight
When I bought my clamps, Mac included the plates predrilled and ready togo. All I had to do was send him the un-drilled plates.
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
I had a problem starting the saw only on my CF 741.? All other functions worked.? The plugs that connect to the saw start and stop buttons came loose behind the panel.? So to trouble shoot there are interlock switches on the slide cover, the planer and planer hood.? These are connected in series to the e-stop and push button stops.? (why there is a mix of e-stops and push button stops is a German engineering mystery)? Push any one of these to drop out power to the magnet that holds a motor on function.? In my case, pushing the stop button on the saw when the planer was running did not stop the planer. This pointed to a bad connection at the saw start-stop button panel. ? Jon S ?
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Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 7:33 AM
To: Chris Twigger; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] CF 741 intermittent start? My 2006 vintage CF741P was in storage while I moved to a new house and built a new shop. I had a permanent problem after I moved the machine to the new shop not being able to start any of the functions on the CF741P so I traced the diagram and found the bad STOP switch. I found a replacement on Amazon, much cheaper and quicker to get:
Also the switch actuator for raising and lowering the planer table broke and I found the exact replacement on Amazon:
I hope this will be helpful to someone.
Ariel
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
The only info I will add is that, from your description of blade cover MicroSwitch, your switch is working. It disables and enables, so both positions are providing whatever is necessary, electrically. So you should be able to adjust the position of the switch to make it work as intended. The screws on the MicroSwitch on the blade cover of K975 (diff cover) go in slots, so it can be moved fwd/backwards. Hopefully, yours is similar.
Imran On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:40 AM, murrayau1 <murraywp@...> wrote:
?Hi all
I am having issues with my CF 741 combination machine. It quite regularly goes dead and refuses to start.
The master switch which controls which part of the combo is functioning has a setting for reverse direction shaper. When you select this, a yellow light is illuminated so it offers an indirect way of finding out whether the machine is powered up. Mostly when I have the no start the yellow light comes on, this seems to indicate a safety microswitch issue. However I recently had an incident where the yellow light did not come on and I fiddled with the red mushroom switch on the jointer and it came good. You have to rotate this switch so that it pops out and I suspect mine may be a bit flaky, has anyone had problems with these? most of the time however I think the problems are due to the safety micro switches.
The microswitch on the saw blade cover is an issue, if I have a cover fully shut the saw won't start, I have to leave at about half an inch ajar. You can generally hear these switches clicking, is this clicking any indication that they are actually working electrically?
Is it the case that if any of the safety micro switches are not enabled for any part of the combo machine nothing will work? That is to say if a microswitch for the saw is indicating a problem then you can't start the jointer. If this is the case it does seem rather daft as it makes it really hard for the poor user to work out which micro switches are at fault. Is it safe to blow the microswitches? with air and is this likely to do any good?
I believe the CF 741 as the following micro switches:
saw blade cover open
planer jointer table down
planer jointer table up
dust hood in planar mode
dust hood in jointer? mode
Is there any way of easily diagnosing which is at fault?
thanks
Murray
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
My 2006 vintage CF741P was in storage while I moved to a new house and built a new shop. I had a permanent problem after I moved the machine to the new shop not being able to start any of the functions on the CF741P so I traced the diagram and found the bad STOP switch. I found a replacement on Amazon, much cheaper and quicker to get:
Also the switch actuator for raising and lowering the planer table broke and I found the exact replacement on Amazon:
I hope this will be helpful to someone.
Ariel
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
I have the same issues with a CF 731, happened twice?
Can't help re repair, but would be interested to know if other combi owners are having the same issues.? ?
Regards?
Chris Twigger in the UK
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
All the micro switches and stop buttons are wired together (NC normally closed), if you have a yellow light when in reverse, then the circuit is good. If the yellow light is on and it still wont start, then it could be the start buttons, they are all momentary switches (NO, normally open). All the switches on the machine can be effected by dust, some folks have had luck taking the covers off and blowing things out, some you just have to replace.
You can check them using a multimeter, but you have to get access to the wiring.
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On Jan 25, 2020, at 10:40 PM, murrayau1 < murraywp@...> wrote:
Hi all
I am having issues with my CF 741 combination machine. It quite regularly goes dead and refuses to start.
The master switch which controls which part of the combo is functioning has a setting for reverse direction shaper. When you select this, a yellow light is illuminated so it offers an indirect way of finding out whether the machine is powered up. Mostly when I have the no start the yellow light comes on, this seems to indicate a safety microswitch issue. However I recently had an incident where the yellow light did not come on and I fiddled with the red mushroom switch on the jointer and it came good. You have to rotate this switch so that it pops out and I suspect mine may be a bit flaky, has anyone had problems with these? most of the time however I think the problems are due to the safety micro switches.
The microswitch on the saw blade cover is an issue, if I have a cover fully shut the saw won't start, I have to leave at about half an inch ajar. You can generally hear these switches clicking, is this clicking any indication that they are actually working electrically?
Is it the case that if any of the safety micro switches are not enabled for any part of the combo machine nothing will work? That is to say if a microswitch for the saw is indicating a problem then you can't start the jointer. If this is the case it does seem rather daft as it makes it really hard for the poor user to work out which micro switches are at fault. Is it safe to blow the microswitches? with air and is this likely to do any good?
I believe the CF 741 as the following micro switches:
saw blade cover open
planer jointer table down
planer jointer table up
dust hood in planar mode
dust hood in jointer? mode
Is there any way of easily diagnosing which is at fault?
thanks
Murray
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
John,? The zci i made was another ¡°wing it¡± first to work out the design then make an improvements based on what I learned but haven¡¯t bothered as it just works. I did make a few extras. You are right it does screw up the flow when when a angle cut is needed, I usually just remove it and leave her wide open unless it¡¯s a lot of angle cuts then I will put the angled zci in. It really only takes likes 10sec to remove it. I actually have a few Ideas for a ¡°quick change¡± zci but I feel like I spend more time working on the shop than actually building anything, not a lot of time when I am already working 50hrs a week and even less in winter due to all things related to cold - firewood, snow, and I ski almost every weekend Nov - April I know first world problems...
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On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:14 AM, John Kee <jmkserv@...> wrote:
? Very nice zero clearance insert Mark. I had one very similar until I had a tapered piece jam between the blade, caused a wobble and blow it all to rat shit. With the blade wobble it also put a nick in the slider aluminum. Tried it again and I was cutting a thick, very tensioned piece for a friend and the blade started to heat wobble in the cut, weirdest thing we ever saw and again blew it apart and nicked the slider. As I have said before I'm not in favour of them because of the experiences I've had. Also they have to be changed out whenever you do any angle cutting, too much aggravation in my daily grind. I guess if you are hobby oriented, the time it takes really doesn't matter, just make sure you make 4 or 5 of them as replacements. Another little hint is the wear at the point the blade enters the ZCI from the saw dust hitting it constantly causing a sandblast effect is quite interesting to watch. My original insert from Felder was quite worn after a short time 2 years, I've tried several different materials from the BB you are using to the current ones I made from IPE. They are holding up a lot better. The metal inserts that Felder uses in the higher end saws are ideal IMHO. Once again take this info and do whatever you want in your world hopefully none of you will have the problems a daily user has. Imran, FWIW here it is on the k700.?
<image0.jpeg> <image1.jpeg> Regards, Mark On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
? Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
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Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
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Re: CF 741 intermittent start
Felder had me test the current in the electrical panel. ?As I¡¯m incompetent electrically, I could not replicate what was necessary to get it working. ?There is an electrical diagram in a pocket on the electrical door cover. ?You could see if yours is there, otherwise call Felder tomorrow morning.
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On Jan 25, 2020, at 10:40 PM, murrayau1 < murraywp@...> wrote:
Hi all
I am having issues with my CF 741 combination machine. It quite regularly goes dead and refuses to start.
The master switch which controls which part of the combo is functioning has a setting for reverse direction shaper. When you select this, a yellow light is illuminated so it offers an indirect way of finding out whether the machine is powered up. Mostly when I have the no start the yellow light comes on, this seems to indicate a safety microswitch issue. However I recently had an incident where the yellow light did not come on and I fiddled with the red mushroom switch on the jointer and it came good. You have to rotate this switch so that it pops out and I suspect mine may be a bit flaky, has anyone had problems with these? most of the time however I think the problems are due to the safety micro switches.
The microswitch on the saw blade cover is an issue, if I have a cover fully shut the saw won't start, I have to leave at about half an inch ajar. You can generally hear these switches clicking, is this clicking any indication that they are actually working electrically?
Is it the case that if any of the safety micro switches are not enabled for any part of the combo machine nothing will work? That is to say if a microswitch for the saw is indicating a problem then you can't start the jointer. If this is the case it does seem rather daft as it makes it really hard for the poor user to work out which micro switches are at fault. Is it safe to blow the microswitches? with air and is this likely to do any good?
I believe the CF 741 as the following micro switches:
saw blade cover open
planer jointer table down
planer jointer table up
dust hood in planar mode
dust hood in jointer? mode
Is there any way of easily diagnosing which is at fault?
thanks
Murray
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Very nice zero clearance insert Mark. I had one very similar until I had a tapered piece jam between the blade, caused a wobble and blow it all to rat shit. With the blade wobble it also put a nick in the slider aluminum. Tried it again and I was cutting a thick, very tensioned piece for a friend and the blade started to heat wobble in the cut, weirdest thing we ever saw and again blew it apart and nicked the slider. As I have said before I'm not in favour of them because of the experiences I've had. Also they have to be changed out whenever you do any angle cutting, too much aggravation in my daily grind. I guess if you are hobby oriented, the time it takes really doesn't matter, just make sure you make 4 or 5 of them as replacements. Another little hint is the wear at the point the blade enters the ZCI from the saw dust hitting it constantly causing a sandblast effect is quite interesting to watch. My original insert from Felder was quite worn after a short time 2 years, I've tried several different materials from the BB you are using to the current ones I made from IPE. They are holding up a lot better. The metal inserts that Felder uses in the higher end saws are ideal IMHO. Once again take this info and do whatever you want in your world hopefully none of you will have the problems a daily user has.
Imran, FWIW here it is on the k700.?
  Regards, Mark On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
? Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
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CF 741 intermittent start
Hi all
I am having issues with my CF 741 combination machine. It quite regularly goes dead and refuses to start.
The master switch which controls which part of the combo is functioning has a setting for reverse direction shaper. When you select this, a yellow light is illuminated so it offers an indirect way of finding out whether the machine is powered up. Mostly when I have the no start the yellow light comes on, this seems to indicate a safety microswitch issue. However I recently had an incident where the yellow light did not come on and I fiddled with the red mushroom switch on the jointer and it came good. You have to rotate this switch so that it pops out and I suspect mine may be a bit flaky, has anyone had problems with these? most of the time however I think the problems are due to the safety micro switches.
The microswitch on the saw blade cover is an issue, if I have a cover fully shut the saw won't start, I have to leave at about half an inch ajar. You can generally hear these switches clicking, is this clicking any indication that they are actually working electrically?
Is it the case that if any of the safety micro switches are not enabled for any part of the combo machine nothing will work? That is to say if a microswitch for the saw is indicating a problem then you can't start the jointer. If this is the case it does seem rather daft as it makes it really hard for the poor user to work out which micro switches are at fault. Is it safe to blow the microswitches? with air and is this likely to do any good?
I believe the CF 741 as the following micro switches:
saw blade cover open
planer jointer table down
planer jointer table up
dust hood in planar mode
dust hood in jointer? mode
Is there any way of easily diagnosing which is at fault?
thanks
Murray
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Hi Glen,
For the fence ¡°shoe¡± I made up a blank to match the Inside geometry of the extrusion out of Ash, could be anything its just what I picked up at the time. I then placed to threaded inserts into a piece of it. To retain the ¡°house shape¡± in the extrusion I drilled and tapped for an m6 (i think, would have to check) set screw in the outside slot on the extrusion to hold the ¡°house¡± in place and allow it to be removable (i made the fit pretty firm/snug). For the ¡°shoe¡± I glued up 3 or 4 pieces of 19mm BB then cut the ¡°L¡± shape using the Fritz and Franz (the ¡°L¡± shaped ¡°shoe¡± shown below was a prototype in Fir) I could give more detail with dimensions if you have the same fence but I really just winged it took about an hour, I approached it as a prototype build thinking I would redo it later bit it¡¯s working so I haven¡¯t bothered.
Once you make a fence ¡°shoe¡± you will be able to sight your cuts with ease, i also made a light scribe on the Cast iron table of the blade location going back to the fence scale and that comes in handy at times as well.
Also the Lush double ipa from Frost brewery is not required for the build...lol
The orange on the zci is my poor man¡¯s LED reminder of the location of the scoring blade so I don¡¯t nip my finger, easy to forget its there. I used blue painters tape to isolate the mark and use a metal paint marker like this one??the metal paint marker seems to stay brite on the wood, It was just by chance that I used it - had it in my pocket from work... as David said a zci will be needed, it¡¯s another item you should make in my mind it adds one more layer of safety amongst other things, I had some wicked killer kickbacks from some small cuts until I made mine.
I also never used a guard on a saw and I have been doing this professionally and as a hobby for 35 years (my first ¡°tablesaw¡± was the Black & decker table where you took a Hand held circular saw and mounted it inverted ?on the table) so I understand your frustration with using one, my main driver for using one was to reduce dust which it do an ok job. I have come to find that i like the safety aspect of it more and more every day so just stick with it and it will happen. I added an LED mag light that really helps with visibility of the blade, here it is??the video below shows one place to put the light and also the ¡°shoe¡± being cut to length.
Let me know if you have anymore questions?
Mark K
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On Jan 25, 2020, at 9:27 PM, GLEN CHRISTENSEN <grchris1966@...> wrote:
? Hi Mark,? Can you explain the cross cut fence wood extension you made. and how you mounted it. I hate that the cc fence is 2" off the blade.? Also the red I guess tape for blade reference.? As a new user If having a bit of trouble getting use to the saw, Doing quick cuts off a mark on the board, having trouble sighting the blade to the board. the over head saw guard, I hate it, natural reaction is to run my hand down the fence, not easy with that sanding on the side. However Im get more in to doing my rips on the slider side, and that is nice.
I have never had a guard on my saw so I think its just me not being able to physically see where the blade really is and that I cant quick cut. I'm? just learning. Glen?
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
Imran, FWIW here it is on the k700.?
<image0.jpeg> <image1.jpeg> Regards, Mark On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
? Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Glen,
Have a look here: ??
I like this extension because it specifically gives you a visual guide as the the cutting position of the saw blade. ? PM me if you¡¯re interested in having one.
To mark the scoring blade in RED (or whatever) the way Mark did, you¡¯ll need a ZCI throat plate. ???
David Best
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Hi Mark,? Can you explain the cross cut fence wood extension you made. and how you mounted it. I hate that the cc fence is 2" off the blade.? Also the red I guess tape for blade reference.? As a new user If having a bit of trouble getting use to the saw, Doing quick cuts off a mark on the board, having trouble sighting the blade to the board. the over head saw guard, I hate it, natural reaction is to run my hand down the fence, not easy with that sanding on the side. However Im get more in to doing my rips on the slider side, and that is nice.
I have never had a guard on my saw so I think its just me not being able to physically see where the blade really is and that I cant quick cut. I'm? just learning. Glen?
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
Imran, FWIW here it is on the k700.?
<image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>Regards, Mark On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
? Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
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<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Imran,
I did a bit more digging and found some clues on the saw cover. ? ?Here is a photo of my K975 at delivery.
Clearly there is no ¡°stop¡± to limit travel.
Now have a look at this - right out of the K975 User Manual and note the red arrow:
The ¡°stop¡± is clearly the lower inside edge of the top extrusion of the sliding table. ? That is why I though there was some limit at that end of the cover since this is the slider position when changing saw blades. ? Sorry to have confused you.
David Best
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On Jan 25, 2020, at 4:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Hi Mark,? Can you explain the cross cut fence wood extension you made. and how you mounted it. I hate that the cc fence is 2" off the blade.? Also the red I guess tape for blade reference.? As a new user If having a bit of trouble getting use to the saw, Doing quick cuts off a mark on the board, having trouble sighting the blade to the board. the over head saw guard, I hate it, natural reaction is to run my hand down the fence, not easy with that sanding on the side. However Im get more in to doing my rips on the slider side, and that is nice.
I have never had a guard on my saw so I think its just me not being able to physically see where the blade really is and that I cant quick cut. I'm? just learning. Glen?
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
Imran, FWIW here it is on the k700.?
  Regards, Mark On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
? Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Imran, FWIW here it is on the k700.?
  Regards, Mark
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Show quoted text
On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
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Re: Positioning Air Connections for Mac's Airtight clamps
#airtight
Thank you David, Little late for me now as I did the saw with a phone call to Mac, he walked me right through it and it was way easier than what thought it would be. Great that you documented it here for future people. I have to say that Macs clamps was the best investment I have made to date In my shop. It has simplified my life and cutting is way easier than before. Now if I can get him to send my clamps for the shaper, I am going to be one happy person. LOL? Glen Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
One of the FOG members contacted me to better understand how I had mounted the air couplers for Mac's clamps in the sliding table with remote start buttons.?? Since this came up on FOG before, I thought I would document it for future reference.
Photos are located here:?
The actual printable template can be downloaded here:?
Hope this is useful to others.
David Best
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