CF 741 intermittent start
Hi all
I am having issues with my CF 741 combination machine. It quite regularly goes dead and refuses to start.
The master switch which controls which part of the combo is functioning has a setting for reverse direction shaper. When you select this, a yellow light is illuminated so it offers an indirect way of finding out whether the machine is powered up. Mostly when I have the no start the yellow light comes on, this seems to indicate a safety microswitch issue. However I recently had an incident where the yellow light did not come on and I fiddled with the red mushroom switch on the jointer and it came good. You have to rotate this switch so that it pops out and I suspect mine may be a bit flaky, has anyone had problems with these? most of the time however I think the problems are due to the safety micro switches.
The microswitch on the saw blade cover is an issue, if I have a cover fully shut the saw won't start, I have to leave at about half an inch ajar. You can generally hear these switches clicking, is this clicking any indication that they are actually working electrically?
Is it the case that if any of the safety micro switches are not enabled for any part of the combo machine nothing will work? That is to say if a microswitch for the saw is indicating a problem then you can't start the jointer. If this is the case it does seem rather daft as it makes it really hard for the poor user to work out which micro switches are at fault. Is it safe to blow the microswitches? with air and is this likely to do any good?
I believe the CF 741 as the following micro switches:
saw blade cover open
planer jointer table down
planer jointer table up
dust hood in planar mode
dust hood in jointer? mode
Is there any way of easily diagnosing which is at fault?
thanks
Murray
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Hi Glen,
For the fence ¡°shoe¡± I made up a blank to match the Inside geometry of the extrusion out of Ash, could be anything its just what I picked up at the time. I then placed to threaded inserts into a piece of it. To retain the ¡°house shape¡± in the extrusion I drilled and tapped for an m6 (i think, would have to check) set screw in the outside slot on the extrusion to hold the ¡°house¡± in place and allow it to be removable (i made the fit pretty firm/snug). For the ¡°shoe¡± I glued up 3 or 4 pieces of 19mm BB then cut the ¡°L¡± shape using the Fritz and Franz (the ¡°L¡± shaped ¡°shoe¡± shown below was a prototype in Fir) I could give more detail with dimensions if you have the same fence but I really just winged it took about an hour, I approached it as a prototype build thinking I would redo it later bit it¡¯s working so I haven¡¯t bothered.
Once you make a fence ¡°shoe¡± you will be able to sight your cuts with ease, i also made a light scribe on the Cast iron table of the blade location going back to the fence scale and that comes in handy at times as well.
Also the Lush double ipa from Frost brewery is not required for the build...lol
The orange on the zci is my poor man¡¯s LED reminder of the location of the scoring blade so I don¡¯t nip my finger, easy to forget its there. I used blue painters tape to isolate the mark and use a metal paint marker like this one??the metal paint marker seems to stay brite on the wood, It was just by chance that I used it - had it in my pocket from work... as David said a zci will be needed, it¡¯s another item you should make in my mind it adds one more layer of safety amongst other things, I had some wicked killer kickbacks from some small cuts until I made mine.
I also never used a guard on a saw and I have been doing this professionally and as a hobby for 35 years (my first ¡°tablesaw¡± was the Black & decker table where you took a Hand held circular saw and mounted it inverted ?on the table) so I understand your frustration with using one, my main driver for using one was to reduce dust which it do an ok job. I have come to find that i like the safety aspect of it more and more every day so just stick with it and it will happen. I added an LED mag light that really helps with visibility of the blade, here it is??the video below shows one place to put the light and also the ¡°shoe¡± being cut to length.
Let me know if you have anymore questions?
Mark K
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On Jan 25, 2020, at 9:27 PM, GLEN CHRISTENSEN <grchris1966@...> wrote:
? Hi Mark,? Can you explain the cross cut fence wood extension you made. and how you mounted it. I hate that the cc fence is 2" off the blade.? Also the red I guess tape for blade reference.? As a new user If having a bit of trouble getting use to the saw, Doing quick cuts off a mark on the board, having trouble sighting the blade to the board. the over head saw guard, I hate it, natural reaction is to run my hand down the fence, not easy with that sanding on the side. However Im get more in to doing my rips on the slider side, and that is nice.
I have never had a guard on my saw so I think its just me not being able to physically see where the blade really is and that I cant quick cut. I'm? just learning. Glen?
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
Imran, FWIW here it is on the k700.?
<image0.jpeg> <image1.jpeg> Regards, Mark On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
? Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Glen,
Have a look here: ??
I like this extension because it specifically gives you a visual guide as the the cutting position of the saw blade. ? PM me if you¡¯re interested in having one.
To mark the scoring blade in RED (or whatever) the way Mark did, you¡¯ll need a ZCI throat plate. ???
David Best
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Hi Mark,? Can you explain the cross cut fence wood extension you made. and how you mounted it. I hate that the cc fence is 2" off the blade.? Also the red I guess tape for blade reference.? As a new user If having a bit of trouble getting use to the saw, Doing quick cuts off a mark on the board, having trouble sighting the blade to the board. the over head saw guard, I hate it, natural reaction is to run my hand down the fence, not easy with that sanding on the side. However Im get more in to doing my rips on the slider side, and that is nice.
I have never had a guard on my saw so I think its just me not being able to physically see where the blade really is and that I cant quick cut. I'm? just learning. Glen?
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
Imran, FWIW here it is on the k700.?
<image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>Regards, Mark On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
? Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Imran,
I did a bit more digging and found some clues on the saw cover. ? ?Here is a photo of my K975 at delivery.
Clearly there is no ¡°stop¡± to limit travel.
Now have a look at this - right out of the K975 User Manual and note the red arrow:
The ¡°stop¡± is clearly the lower inside edge of the top extrusion of the sliding table. ? That is why I though there was some limit at that end of the cover since this is the slider position when changing saw blades. ? Sorry to have confused you.
David Best
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On Jan 25, 2020, at 4:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Hi Mark,? Can you explain the cross cut fence wood extension you made. and how you mounted it. I hate that the cc fence is 2" off the blade.? Also the red I guess tape for blade reference.? As a new user If having a bit of trouble getting use to the saw, Doing quick cuts off a mark on the board, having trouble sighting the blade to the board. the over head saw guard, I hate it, natural reaction is to run my hand down the fence, not easy with that sanding on the side. However Im get more in to doing my rips on the slider side, and that is nice.
I have never had a guard on my saw so I think its just me not being able to physically see where the blade really is and that I cant quick cut. I'm? just learning. Glen?
Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
Imran, FWIW here it is on the k700.?
  Regards, Mark On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
? Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Imran, FWIW here it is on the k700.?
  Regards, Mark
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On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
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Re: Positioning Air Connections for Mac's Airtight clamps
#airtight
Thank you David, Little late for me now as I did the saw with a phone call to Mac, he walked me right through it and it was way easier than what thought it would be. Great that you documented it here for future people. I have to say that Macs clamps was the best investment I have made to date In my shop. It has simplified my life and cutting is way easier than before. Now if I can get him to send my clamps for the shaper, I am going to be one happy person. LOL? Glen Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
One of the FOG members contacted me to better understand how I had mounted the air couplers for Mac's clamps in the sliding table with remote start buttons.?? Since this came up on FOG before, I thought I would document it for future reference.
Photos are located here:?
The actual printable template can be downloaded here:?
Hope this is useful to others.
David Best
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Re: Positioning Air Connections for Mac's Airtight clamps
#airtight
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On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 18:38 Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote: Thank you, I have downloaded and placed in my Felder file, I will need this in the future.
Mark Foster On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:34 PM, david@... wrote:
One of the FOG members contacted me to better understand how I had mounted the air couplers for Mac's clamps in the sliding table with remote start buttons.?? Since this came up on FOG before, I thought I would document it for future reference.
Photos are located here:?
The actual printable template can be downloaded here:?
Hope this is useful to others.
David Best
<Connector Positions.jpg>
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Hi David.. we both tried to find anything that resembles a stop in the parts diagram and couldnt find anything.. I'd love to see what Marlow shows on his saw..
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 05:19:15 PM PST, david@... <david@...> wrote:
Imran, you might check in with Marlowe McGraw, he has a K975 also. ?I promise you, my K975 had a blade cover stop mechanism.
David Best On Jan 25, 2020, at 4:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
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Re: Positioning Air Connections for Mac's Airtight clamps
#airtight
Thank you, I have downloaded and placed in my Felder file, I will need this in the future.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:34 PM, david@... wrote:
One of the FOG members contacted me to better understand how I had mounted the air couplers for Mac's clamps in the sliding table with remote start buttons.?? Since this came up on FOG before, I thought I would document it for future reference.
Photos are located here:?
The actual printable template can be downloaded here:?
Hope this is useful to others.
David Best
<Connector Positions.jpg>
|
Positioning Air Connections for Mac's Airtight clamps
#airtight
One of the FOG members contacted me to better understand how I had mounted the air couplers for Mac's clamps in the sliding table with remote start buttons.?? Since this came up on FOG before, I thought I would document it for future reference. Photos are located here:? The actual printable template can be downloaded here:? Hope this is useful to others. David Best 
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Imran, you might check in with Marlowe McGraw, he has a K975 also. ?I promise you, my K975 had a blade cover stop mechanism.
David Best
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Show quoted text
On Jan 25, 2020, at 4:33 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
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Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Imran, I am not following very close on this, and who is having the issue but for what it is worth if anything, I attached a picture of my saw and with the slider pushed all the way to the rear and cover open it hits the slider at the leading edge. If it might help. Different saw though Glen Big Tree Woodworking
P.O. Box 257 Avery Ca 95224
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 4:33 PM imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
|
Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Well,
It is a mystery why David¡¯s did not open as far as Randy¡¯s. Mine is opening farther because I have yet to install the slider.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Bill B¨¦langer <bllblngr@...> wrote:
? I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger? On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
|
Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
I had the K915 and that cover would only open until it hit the sliding table. I often wished it would open wider. Maybe your slider goes back further.?
Bill Belanger?
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 15:28 Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one=[email protected]> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
|
Re: K975 blade cover MicroSwitch
Hi Imran
Ok..I spoke with Greg Bryson at Felder and he checked into the blade guard and looked to see if there was any sort of "Stop" for it to prevent it from tilting down too far.. he said there is nothing on the parts diagram nor on the saw. He said the blade guard is suppose to tip down onto the lower slider carriage like mine shows.. He does not know what David has or why his stopped as seen in his picture.. So I guess the blade cover is suppose to rest against the lower carriage after all
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:19:38 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. That would be awesome.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
Good morning Imran..
I don't believe my saw will start when the cover is open. But I will check again just to make sure.. I too, want to find out if my cover is opening too far as well..From the looks of David's saw, it seems like both of our covers are opening too far..I'll shoot a text to Greg and ask him what's missing and DM you with what I find out
Randy
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 04:03:30 AM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
Randy,
Make sure that your saw does not run with cover open. In my case it does. You want to be aware if that safety feature is not there to protect you.
Imran On Jan 25, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one@...> wrote:
?
Hi David..
Hmm..I wonder if mine has an issue as well if it's not suppose to hit the lower carriage.. I'm going to look at the parts diagram and see if there's something missing on the both of Imran and my saw.. I do see that small bracket below the scoring blade arbor and notice that is not on my saw as well
I'll also shoot an e mail to Greg Bryson and ask him if he can look into it further
Thanks?
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 10:18:10 PM PST, david@... <david@...> wrote:
Imran, here is a photo of the blade cover in the open position on my K975. ? I don¡¯t remember what keeps it from opening so far that it bangs into the lower carriage of the sliding table like Randy¡¯s photo shows, but there was some kind of mechanical system that held the cover in the open position, and it was unrelated to the hinges:
As I recall, the restraint was at the scoring saw end of the cover, but I could be misremembering. ? I do remember having to fuss around with the hinge positions to get the cover to seat properly and to consistently actuate the safety microswitch.
David Best
On Jan 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Thanks Randy. So nothing else preventing it from opening further than hinges?
Imran ?
Your blade cover opens a lot further than mine..mine hits the bottom, lower side of my sliding table carriage and rests against it..I dont think its suppose to open any further and definitely not flop down inside the cabinet of the saw .
I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to loosen the nuts on the hinges and raise the cover up a little more..
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 02:18:34 PM PST, imranindiana via Groups.Io < imranindiana@...> wrote:
Got my saw hooked up today. In checking safety items I noted that the blade cover microswitch is functional but the cover drops beyond horizontal and the control lever completely disengages from microswitch.
Can someone tell me if the blade cover should only travel from vertical (close) to horizontal (open)? If yes, what keeps it from opening any further (beyond horizontal)?
This is how far cover on my saw opens
When open this far the lever disengaged from microswitch
So currently, the microswitch disables saw when lever is in contact with microswitch (about open to horizontal). Then enabled the saw when switch falls in the notch in closed position.
<20200124_151220.jpg> <20200124_151554.jpg>
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
|
After further musing, I've come to the conclusion that as sexy as the FAT 300 tables are, I'm probably better off directing my resources towards a KF-700. In the mean time, I'm still not super happy with my current arrangement of rolling cabinets topped with MFT/3 tables. Recalling back to just using the MFT/3 tables, I remember wishing they were mobile.?
I think the middle path I'm going to pursue are the Husky adjustable height tables: ?
Overall, they fulfill the requirements of being mobile and having adjustable height. I don't like that the tops don't extend past the frame, so I'll likely fabricate my own tops (probably laminated Baltic Birch) with a 20mm grid pattern so I can use my RUWI and TSO equipment.
The "secret sauce" I realized the other day is that if I buy the 46" and 62" models, I can nest the 46" table inside/underneath the 62" table, thus taking up less shop space when necessary. I'd still have my extra MFT/3 tables stored folded that I can deploy as necessary.?
When I pick them up and put into service I'll follow up with impressions.?
--
Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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I'll check it out.. can't be too hard to make..
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 11:08:03 AM PST, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
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It would, I have to try and figure out how to make one for my k975..only the center part of the insert..there's 3 inserts on my saw
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 10:27:35 AM PST, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
Zero clearance insert would help.
I dont think anything is perfect..no matter what is used.. a lot of variables come into play..material, any sort of vibration, user error from feeding..etc.. it's all a matter of how OCD we choose to be..?
Would I like a perfect, flawless dado groove? Sure..who wouldn't,? but I've tried quite a few dado blades from Forrest, Amana Felder and a host of others and at some point all of them have a smidge of tear-out in the course of running 100's of board feet thru them.. again, it's all how picky and critical we choose to be. While I find the dado groove not 100% perfect, I'm not going to split hairs but I will keep trying to get it as close as humanely possible
All, ? ?This is a very timely thread.? I've CC'd Bill Wickett at Rangate so he can see what has been discussed.? Bill is working to develop a dado cutter for sliders and I'm sure he'd be interested in any recommendations anybody in this group would have to make a better cutter. Please feel free to email Bill if you have any thoughts. Thanks, That's definitely a better cut then your first picture but I'm sorry still unacceptable with those large chunks it blew out. For the price of the set not good and about as good as I could get back when I was testing. Feed rate definitely affects the cut and I've found with any cut in Melamine slower feed is definitely better with any Dado set.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:22 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 06:18:28 AM PST, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Ok.. after my visit to the Felder office to have my dado blade checked out, here is what we discovered, and this is what we did to correct the issue.
First off, I learned, was to check to make sure the chippers and outside carbide inserts were seated correctly.? Mine were not..the outside cabinet inserts were fine, but the chippers were set in a way that the back end of them protruded out past the carbide nibblers just a whisper, but that's all it takes for them to create tear-out because they are catching as the "exit" the cut, forcing the fibers of the melamine outward, thus tearing out.? How we st these cutters was to place the dado blade flat on 2 separate pieces of melamine, loosen the set screws (the screws for the chippers are allen type screws and the carbide inserts are the torx type screws) (My high recommendation is to throw that piece of garbage torx tool that comes with the dado set in the trash and get the T-15 torx screwdriver) After you loosen the screws, press down so the dado body is flat and re-tighten the allen set screws.? Yes..I know, you can use a special tool and all that, but we didn't have that and this method worked perfectly fine. Test cut and check the results.?
We also discovered that a slower feed rate gave us a better cut after the bits were set.? My saw is set to run at 5500 rpm. Pictures show how we used the melamine and the results of resetting the bits?
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It would, I have to try and figure out how to make one for my k975..only the center part of the insert..there's 3 inserts on my saw
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 10:27:35 AM PST, Brian Lamb < blamb11@...> wrote:
Zero clearance insert would help.
I dont think anything is perfect..no matter what is used.. a lot of variables come into play..material, any sort of vibration, user error from feeding..etc.. it's all a matter of how OCD we choose to be..?
Would I like a perfect, flawless dado groove? Sure..who wouldn't,? but I've tried quite a few dado blades from Forrest, Amana Felder and a host of others and at some point all of them have a smidge of tear-out in the course of running 100's of board feet thru them.. again, it's all how picky and critical we choose to be. While I find the dado groove not 100% perfect, I'm not going to split hairs but I will keep trying to get it as close as humanely possible
All, ? ?This is a very timely thread.? I've CC'd Bill Wickett at Rangate so he can see what has been discussed.? Bill is working to develop a dado cutter for sliders and I'm sure he'd be interested in any recommendations anybody in this group would have to make a better cutter. Please feel free to email Bill if you have any thoughts. Thanks, That's definitely a better cut then your first picture but I'm sorry still unacceptable with those large chunks it blew out. For the price of the set not good and about as good as I could get back when I was testing. Feed rate definitely affects the cut and I've found with any cut in Melamine slower feed is definitely better with any Dado set.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:22 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 06:18:28 AM PST, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Ok.. after my visit to the Felder office to have my dado blade checked out, here is what we discovered, and this is what we did to correct the issue.
First off, I learned, was to check to make sure the chippers and outside carbide inserts were seated correctly.? Mine were not..the outside cabinet inserts were fine, but the chippers were set in a way that the back end of them protruded out past the carbide nibblers just a whisper, but that's all it takes for them to create tear-out because they are catching as the "exit" the cut, forcing the fibers of the melamine outward, thus tearing out.? How we st these cutters was to place the dado blade flat on 2 separate pieces of melamine, loosen the set screws (the screws for the chippers are allen type screws and the carbide inserts are the torx type screws) (My high recommendation is to throw that piece of garbage torx tool that comes with the dado set in the trash and get the T-15 torx screwdriver) After you loosen the screws, press down so the dado body is flat and re-tighten the allen set screws.? Yes..I know, you can use a special tool and all that, but we didn't have that and this method worked perfectly fine. Test cut and check the results.?
We also discovered that a slower feed rate gave us a better cut after the bits were set.? My saw is set to run at 5500 rpm. Pictures show how we used the melamine and the results of resetting the bits?
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-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
|
Whatever works best for you..that's what you use..that goes for anyone?
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 10:34:17 AM PST, jmkserv@... <jmkserv@...> wrote:
Then your slider would have to zeroed to the cast iron or the zero clearance insert. I'll stick to my Freud for Melamine.?
-------- Original message -------- From: Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> Date: 2020-01-25 1:27 p.m. (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado blade
Zero clearance insert would help.
I dont think anything is perfect..no matter what is used.. a lot of variables come into play..material, any sort of vibration, user error from feeding..etc.. it's all a matter of how OCD we choose to be..?
Would I like a perfect, flawless dado groove? Sure..who wouldn't,? but I've tried quite a few dado blades from Forrest, Amana Felder and a host of others and at some point all of them have a smidge of tear-out in the course of running 100's of board feet thru them.. again, it's all how picky and critical we choose to be. While I find the dado groove not 100% perfect, I'm not going to split hairs but I will keep trying to get it as close as humanely possible
All, ? ?This is a very timely thread.? I've CC'd Bill Wickett at Rangate so he can see what has been discussed.? Bill is working to develop a dado cutter for sliders and I'm sure he'd be interested in any recommendations anybody in this group would have to make a better cutter. Please feel free to email Bill if you have any thoughts. Thanks, That's definitely a better cut then your first picture but I'm sorry still unacceptable with those large chunks it blew out. For the price of the set not good and about as good as I could get back when I was testing. Feed rate definitely affects the cut and I've found with any cut in Melamine slower feed is definitely better with any Dado set.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:22 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 06:18:28 AM PST, Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Ok.. after my visit to the Felder office to have my dado blade checked out, here is what we discovered, and this is what we did to correct the issue.
First off, I learned, was to check to make sure the chippers and outside carbide inserts were seated correctly.? Mine were not..the outside cabinet inserts were fine, but the chippers were set in a way that the back end of them protruded out past the carbide nibblers just a whisper, but that's all it takes for them to create tear-out because they are catching as the "exit" the cut, forcing the fibers of the melamine outward, thus tearing out.? How we st these cutters was to place the dado blade flat on 2 separate pieces of melamine, loosen the set screws (the screws for the chippers are allen type screws and the carbide inserts are the torx type screws) (My high recommendation is to throw that piece of garbage torx tool that comes with the dado set in the trash and get the T-15 torx screwdriver) After you loosen the screws, press down so the dado body is flat and re-tighten the allen set screws.? Yes..I know, you can use a special tool and all that, but we didn't have that and this method worked perfectly fine. Test cut and check the results.?
We also discovered that a slower feed rate gave us a better cut after the bits were set.? My saw is set to run at 5500 rpm. Pictures show how we used the melamine and the results of resetting the bits?
--
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
|
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