I'll be taking one shortly and will post it tonight.? I was thinking of how all this could have been avoided if Felder had just left some sort of instructions with the dado blade?
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 07:49:04 AM PST, <mtgstuber@...> wrote:
You don't happen to have a picture do you?
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Ok.. It was the chipper tooth that cleans out between the nibbler tooth.. they were not seated properly..?
David Best and I both agree that Felder really needs to up their game on their technical data with their product and at least give us some form of owners manual or instructions.. Once those chippers were all set correctly, the dado cut perfectly in melamine.? What we did was placed 2 boards of melamine ( you can use any very flat surface but the blade needs to be elevated so the teeth sit flat against the board, then loosen the allen head screws used to set the chipper tooth and make sure it's flat and then re tighten the set screw. It's very hard to see if they are out of alignment just by looking at them, but if you look closely, you can see where the back end of the tooth has hit the groove. That's all it takes because the back of the tooth is exiting the cut, pulling the fibers of the wood outward, causing the chip-out.? Hope this helps anyone having issues with these blades..
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You need a tool setter all different styles from a small block of Alu with a shoulder lots of times comes with the tool . ?Basic,,, to fake arbor with dial indicator to check hights? Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Michael Garrison Stuber <mtgstuber@...> wrote:
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Ok.. It was the chipper tooth that cleans out between the nibbler tooth.. they were not seated properly..?
David Best and I both agree that Felder really needs to up their game on their technical data with their product and at least give us some form of owners manual or instructions.. Once those chippers were all set correctly, the dado cut perfectly in melamine.? What we did was placed 2 boards of melamine ( you can use any very flat surface but the blade needs to be elevated so the teeth sit flat against the board, then loosen the allen head screws used to set the chipper tooth and make sure it's flat and then re tighten the set screw. It's very hard to see if they are out of alignment just by looking at them, but if you look closely, you can see where the back end of the tooth has hit the groove. That's all it takes because the back of the tooth is exiting the cut, pulling the fibers of the wood outward, causing the chip-out.? Hope this helps anyone having issues with these blades..
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Ok.. It was the chipper tooth that cleans out between the nibbler tooth.. they were not seated properly..?
David Best and I both agree that Felder really needs to up their game on their technical data with their product and at least give us some form of owners manual or instructions.. Once those chippers were all set correctly, the dado cut perfectly in melamine.? What we did was placed 2 boards of melamine ( you can use any very flat surface but the blade needs to be elevated so the teeth sit flat against the board, then loosen the allen head screws used to set the chipper tooth and make sure it's flat and then re tighten the set screw. It's very hard to see if they are out of alignment just by looking at them, but if you look closely, you can see where the back end of the tooth has hit the groove. That's all it takes because the back of the tooth is exiting the cut, pulling the fibers of the wood outward, causing the chip-out.? Hope this helps anyone having issues with these blades..
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Ok.. It was the chipper tooth that cleans out between the nibbler tooth.. they were not seated properly..?
David Best and I both agree that Felder really needs to up their game on their technical data with their product and at least give us some form of owners manual or instructions.. Once those chippers were all set correctly, the dado cut perfectly in melamine.? What we did was placed 2 boards of melamine ( you can use any very flat surface but the blade needs to be elevated so the teeth sit flat against the board, then loosen the allen head screws used to set the chipper tooth and make sure it's flat and then re tighten the set screw. It's very hard to see if they are out of alignment just by looking at them, but if you look closely, you can see where the back end of the tooth has hit the groove. That's all it takes because the back of the tooth is exiting the cut, pulling the fibers of the wood outward, causing the chip-out.? Hope this helps anyone having issues with these blades..
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Re: Securing machines for transport on open trailer
I used a local outfit called Sundance Transport out of El Dorado (near West Sac) () at a very reasonable cost for moving the K700S and AD941 on palettes. My rate included a piggyback forklift, which was used to unload and move the machines right into my garage. I did research and also considered using Felder's shipping recs but the prices were crazy high (like 3-4x Sundance). I only had to haul it about 120 miles, which I think is pretty close to the mileage from West Sac. to Reno. They used a flatbed hooked into a heavy duty truck (I guess they call this "hotshotting" in the transport business). My contact over there is named Bryan (he's the co-owner).
Ping me privately if you want the rate to compare.?
+1 on saving the transport brackets (they're nicely laser cut and bent, not cheap throwaway hardware). You never know when you'll need to move the machines again :).?
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On Jan 23, 2020, at 1:29 PM, imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
?I wired the phase perfect output to a 3 phase distribution box. Here I have three 3 phase circuits, each running thru individual fuse holders. One of these is 10 ga circuit that I ran for future use. I now intend to use it for FD250 and K975. K975 has 18A on the plate. Is it okay to have this 30A capable wire on 20A fuse? Logically, thinking wire should be over protected. I put a L1420 receptacle for FD250 use a yr plus ago so the receptacle was able to take 10ga wires.
Any thoughts?
Imran
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I agree.? ?You wouldn't want to use the 1420 receptacle later if you decide to up your fuse to 30 amps. Higher capacity wire is great.
Marlowe McGraw?
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 12:32 PM Bill B¨¦langer < Bllblngr@...> wrote: Pretty sure after the circuit breaker you can put as big a wire as you want, just not smaller...
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On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:29 AM imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: I wired the phase perfect output to a 3 phase distribution box. Here I have three 3 phase circuits, each running thru individual fuse holders. One of these is 10 ga circuit that I ran for future use. I now intend to use it for FD250 and K975. K975 has 18A on the plate. Is it okay to have this 30A capable wire on 20A fuse? Logically, thinking wire should be over protected. I put a L1420 receptacle for FD250 use a yr plus ago so the receptacle was able to take 10ga wires.
Any thoughts?
Imran
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Pretty sure after the circuit breaker you can put as big a wire as you want, just not smaller...
Bill Belanger
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:29 AM imranindiana via Groups.Io <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: I wired the phase perfect output to a 3 phase distribution box. Here I have three 3 phase circuits, each running thru individual fuse holders. One of these is 10 ga circuit that I ran for future use. I now intend to use it for FD250 and K975. K975 has 18A on the plate. Is it okay to have this 30A capable wire on 20A fuse? Logically, thinking wire should be over protected. I put a L1420 receptacle for FD250 use a yr plus ago so the receptacle was able to take 10ga wires.
Any thoughts?
Imran
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I wired the phase perfect output to a 3 phase distribution box. Here I have three 3 phase circuits, each running thru individual fuse holders. One of these is 10 ga circuit that I ran for future use. I now intend to use it for FD250 and K975. K975 has 18A on the plate. Is it okay to have this 30A capable wire on 20A fuse? Logically, thinking wire should be over protected. I put a L1420 receptacle for FD250 use a yr plus ago so the receptacle was able to take 10ga wires.
Any thoughts?
Imran
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Re: K975 on auction ends 1/31 in FL
I do not see any fences including the round bar for rip fence. On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:58 AM, bacchus6015 <dohertyj@...> wrote:
? It does not look that bad for 16 years old. ?An 80¡± slider on a 900 series is odd though.
Joe in New Orleans On Jan 23, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Marlowe McGraw <marlomcgraw@...> wrote:
? Yes, such a disappointment to see fine machinery abused like that.
It is definitely a buyer's beware machine.?
Marlowe McGraw? On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 8:30 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Jeez.. whoever owned it sure thrashed it! the switches are all busted off..Those barrel switches are over $300 a piece alone..table top all rusted, inside looks like it's never been cleaned out..etc.. sad really.. maybe if it sells for a low price..
On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 06:16:54 AM PST, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
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It does not look that bad for 16 years old. ?An 80¡± slider on a 900 series is odd though.
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On Jan 23, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Marlowe McGraw <marlomcgraw@...> wrote:
? Yes, such a disappointment to see fine machinery abused like that.
It is definitely a buyer's beware machine.?
Marlowe McGraw? On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 8:30 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Jeez.. whoever owned it sure thrashed it! the switches are all busted off..Those barrel switches are over $300 a piece alone..table top all rusted, inside looks like it's never been cleaned out..etc.. sad really.. maybe if it sells for a low price..
On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 06:16:54 AM PST, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
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Yes, such a disappointment to see fine machinery abused like that.
It is definitely a buyer's beware machine.?
Marlowe McGraw?
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 8:30 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Jeez.. whoever owned it sure thrashed it! the switches are all busted off..Those barrel switches are over $300 a piece alone..table top all rusted, inside looks like it's never been cleaned out..etc.. sad really.. maybe if it sells for a low price..
On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 06:16:54 AM PST, Jason Holtz < jholtzy@...> wrote:
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Randy,? I have a Forest Dado set that has never been used.? The wax is still on all the teeth.? I had them drilled for my Felder machine before I realized that my older machine is not designed to accept them.? I can send photos if you are interested. I haven't checked their value yet, but am thinking of selling the set for around 60% of value plus shipping. I'm in Santa Fe, NM. You can contact me directly at fdiemoz@.... Wishing you a good day.? Frances
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Jeez.. whoever owned it sure thrashed it! the switches are all busted off..Those barrel switches are over $300 a piece alone..table top all rusted, inside looks like it's never been cleaned out..etc.. sad really.. maybe if it sells for a low price..
On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 06:16:54 AM PST, Jason Holtz <jholtzy@...> wrote:
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Felder here in 2010 had a complaint from a customer about their dado set not cut Melamine good similar to your picture. They gave me the returned set and asked me to do some testing in different materials. I found that chipout on Melamine was almost impossible to get rid of. I did find that when used on Melamine with a thicker paper like the 200 to 400 series board, chipout was reduced but not perfect. That's one of the reasons I had my Freud set bored and pinned. The negative rake of the teeth
almost completely
eliminates chipout. Aside from Melamine the set worked good in other materials.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:18 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote: I recently bought the Felder dado set, which we all know is NOT cheap..I? bought it so I could groove a 1/4"? dado slot for backs of cabinets.. Using it for the first time ever, I have to admit the cuts were extremely sub-par. I am taking the dado set down to the Felder office and having their Main rep try the dado set out on one of their machines.. I know that something is not right somewhere. I even tried rotating the carbide cutters to no avail..I was using this on 2 sided white melamine,and it's thought that perhaps the melamine is not of good quality..I will know more after today with the Felder guys.. but here is a picture of how the cut looked when I ran the melamine thru.
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Hmm.. well I think for over $600 for a dado blade..it should cut perfectly clean on whatever sheet material you run thru it.. something is off somewhere. My set is brand new,, first time using it?
On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 06:09:15 AM PST, Jarrett Maxwell <j.a.max7@...> wrote:
Hey Randy,?
I have been very satisfied with the Felder dado sets in solid wood but had similar results in melamine and veneer.?
I eventually purchased a dado set from Ridge Carbide and have cleaner cuts in melamine and veneer.
Jarrett
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:28 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Nooo.. uh huh.. No climb cutting going on in my shop.. noosiree...
On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 05:11:18 AM PST, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote:
It is called climb cutting Same direction as scoring blade.? Climb cutting is not recommended for hand feeding so be damn careful !!!!! Designing and building for 47 years ? I own the Felder dado set - and first time I used it I mounted it the wrong way around. The text on mine is written on the side that is supposed to face away from you, when you mount it - contrary to all of my felder sawblades.?
The cuts I get now are super clean - even crossgrain and in veneers etc.?
I'm sure you've checked that it is cutting the right way - but I just thought I would put my mistake out there in this context.
David
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Hey Randy,?
I have been very satisfied with the Felder dado sets in solid wood but had similar results in melamine and veneer.?
I eventually purchased a dado set from Ridge Carbide and have cleaner cuts in melamine and veneer.
Jarrett
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 7:28 AM Randy Child via Groups.Io <strongman_one= [email protected]> wrote:
Nooo.. uh huh.. No climb cutting going on in my shop.. noosiree...
On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 05:11:18 AM PST, mac campshure via Groups.Io <mac512002= [email protected]> wrote:
It is called climb cutting Same direction as scoring blade.? Climb cutting is not recommended for hand feeding so be damn careful !!!!! Designing and building for 47 years ? I own the Felder dado set - and first time I used it I mounted it the wrong way around. The text on mine is written on the side that is supposed to face away from you, when you mount it - contrary to all of my felder sawblades.?
The cuts I get now are super clean - even crossgrain and in veneers etc.?
I'm sure you've checked that it is cutting the right way - but I just thought I would put my mistake out there in this context.
David
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I had a similar issue with my set, albeit the larger one and one straight plywood. It went from nice and clean to way too much tearout. I found it was the scooping tooth moved a little and was not seated in the bottom and at a slight
angle. Fixing that fixed my problem.
Michael Tagge
Built Custom Carpentry
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Subject: Re: [FOG] Felder Dado blade
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If all the teeth are there Specifically? the little ones that edge slice
the material at the edges and as Mac says it's going in the correct
direction Which is easy to get wrong? the first go round? it should
leave good clean edges.
My only complaint? is the bottoms of my dados don't have the same dead
flat bottom that my 1970s KromeEdge Craftsman left.?? I have the little?
cuts from those afore mentioned slicers
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Climb cutting is fine as long as you understand what¡¯s going on. The material needs to be clamped and mechanically moved . Otherwise the material is going for a ride and ?Possibly ?you to. Mac,,, Designing and building for 47 years
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On Jan 23, 2020, at 7:34 AM, David Pepke <davidpepke@...> wrote:
? Well - the saw wasn't running backwards. Anyway - no climbcutting here either.? David
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