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Re: Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8¡± groove
Whitehill's cabinet door cutter head set has a 15mm deep groove/tongue,?looks nice. James On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:10?PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8¡± groove
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Lucky,I believe you are correct that with 3/4¡± thickness, deeper than 3/8¡± could potentially have issues. I was asked to duplicate a sample and in this case the rear lip of the groove is only 1/8¡± thick. However, since most of us can choose the stile/rail thickness, carrying out custom work, I would prefer deeper groove. You and David K have provided some ideas that I can work with in future. Thank you. Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations On Jan 3, 2025, at 8:09?PM, David Luckensmeyer via groups.io <david@...> wrote:
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Hi Imran:
Do you think the standard 1/4 x 3/8 has to do with mass production using 3/4 material? At 1/4 wide, that leaves only 1/4 of material on either side of the groove, assuming the groove is centred. If the groove is deepened beyond 3/8, the material
¡°shoulder¡± becomes more and more fragile.?
I like working with thicker material and deeper grooves and tongues. Consequently I had Greg at Rangate make me a cabinet shaker set that works with material from 19-30mm (approx) and has a 15mm deep groove/tongue.?
Alternatively, in cases where a squared look is wanted/acceptable, I like using 25-30mm material and using an adjustable groover to go much deeper, say 25-30mm deep. Cheers.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer?
Designer & Maker
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Philip Snyder via groups.io <pswoodworking@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2025 8:17:38 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FOG] Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8¡± groove ?
When I have crafted doors and full raised panels for entry doors, any deeper wider dadoes with floating panels I have bought sheets of thick rubber to address the issue and works fine. I like the idea of balls not rolling away, I¡¯ll have
to try that type. Cheers
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Re: Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8¡± groove
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Imran:
Do you think the standard 1/4 x 3/8 has to do with mass production using 3/4 material? At 1/4 wide, that leaves only 1/4 of material on either side of the groove, assuming the groove is centred. If the groove is deepened beyond 3/8, the material
¡°shoulder¡± becomes more and more fragile.?
I like working with thicker material and deeper grooves and tongues. Consequently I had Greg at Rangate make me a cabinet shaker set that works with material from 19-30mm (approx) and has a 15mm deep groove/tongue.?
Alternatively, in cases where a squared look is wanted/acceptable, I like using 25-30mm material and using an adjustable groover to go much deeper, say 25-30mm deep. Cheers.?
Warm regards,
Lucky
Dr David Luckensmeyer?
Designer & Maker
@luckensmeyer
M: 0413 013 115
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Philip Snyder via groups.io <pswoodworking@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2025 8:17:38 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FOG] Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8¡± groove ?
When I have crafted doors and full raised panels for entry doors, any deeper wider dadoes with floating panels I have bought sheets of thick rubber to address the issue and works fine. I like the idea of balls not rolling away, I¡¯ll have
to try that type. Cheers
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Re: Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8¡± groove
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý?Thanks Dave. I have heard about the use of tubing from quite a few. After this experience, as I mentioned in my earlier response and you commented that a deeper groove allows more choices. I was looking for an economical option for this project and this set worked but wanted to learn from it. As you stated 1/4¡±x3/8¡± seems to be very common and I was not sure if the reason behind it. Maybe just economics. Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations On Jan 3, 2025, at 2:37?PM, David Kumm via groups.io <davekumm@...> wrote:
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I just use 1/4" OD clear tubing from the hardware store.? I cut short pieces and size the tongue to compress the tubing just enough to center the panels.? The raised portion of the panel sides must have enough clearance so when the panel expands, the raised
part doesn't push against the frame.? I like a 5/8" deep groove and a 7/16 tongue and the panel sized so there is 1/32" for the panel to move on either side.? I use the same 1/4" OD in my passage doors with 1/2" thick grooves.? I've never had a panel move
1/16" so there is leeway to my numbers.
I don't know why 1/4x3/8 seems to be a standard when a longer tongue and groove adds strength and looks better.
Dave
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Sent: Friday, January 3, 2025 1:23 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FOG] Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8¡± groove ?
Thanks Steve. Will have to try next time. I am thinking that tooling with 1/2¡± groove will provide more flexibility because the panel tongue (inserted into the groove portion) can be anything beyond the minimum, in my mind, of 1/4¡±.
Imran Malik
IAM Wood Creations
On Jan 3, 2025, at 8:27?AM, Steve Rowe via groups.io <steverowe734@...> wrote: ?
I have used both space balls and panel buddies.? My preference is panel buddies as they are much more forgiving when clamping and don't roll all over the place when they fall on the floor.
Steve
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Re: Processing Rails & Stiles for Cabinet Doors: Space Balls compatibility with 3/8¡± groove
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThanks Steve. Will have to try next time. I am thinking that tooling with 1/2¡± groove will provide more flexibility because the panel tongue (inserted into the groove portion) can be anything beyond the minimum, in my mind, of 1/4¡±.Imran Malik IAM Wood Creations On Jan 3, 2025, at 8:27?AM, Steve Rowe via groups.io <steverowe734@...> wrote:
? I have used both space balls and panel buddies.? My preference is panel buddies as they are much more forgiving when clamping and don't roll all over the place when they fall on the floor.
Steve
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Re: Hello everyone.
Spanish cedar is a commercial wood and is readily available.? I bought some for a boat project and my local Hardwood Industries had it on the shelf.? Easy to work with but soft and not overly expensive.
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But you made me curious. ?Cedrela odorata is actually a broadleaf related to mahogany, not at all similar to western red or eastern or yellow or incense or Lebanese or...??
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Kind of like calling out Douglas Fir as Oregon Pine.??
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Re: Hello everyone.
Very nice work, I make some Cigar Boxes also and currently struggling to source true "spanish Cedar". Can you post where you got the wood from?.? Link to my landing page? -? Thanks for posting Colum O'Donovan +971 50 2677427 CF741, FB510 & 710, AD741, K700S, AF22's and RL160. On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 10:49?AM ³Ò¨¹°ù±ð°ù via <gurerwoodcraft=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Hello everyone.
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI don¡¯t know if you are Burak or Gurer, but (apparently) unlike some others here, your pictures did not come through to me.? ? The three tiny little pictures that show up at the end of your message below did not appear in your original message ¨C only as small boxes with some lines in them.? Clicking on them did nothing, same as when I click on the mini pics below.? ? I do see in one of your later posts responding to Imran¡¯s query whether your work was by hand, a picture of you doing the work.? I agree with the others:? Amazingly beautiful work!?? ? I hope you continue to post.? If you can send the pictures in some other format . . . . , I would love to see them.? ? ? Thank you!? ? Skip ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ³Ò¨¹°ù±ð°ù via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 5:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [FOG] Hello everyone. ? Hello everyone, I am new to the Forum. I don't know if we can share the work we do with our Felders. But since I see you as my friends, I wanted to share a humidor box I made with you. It is made of wenge wood. I used Spanish cedar inside. I used Lebanese cedar and purpleheart for the floor coverings. I made the Dali on the lid using 243 pieces of exotic wood with the marquetry technique. I hope you like it. Greetings from Turkey |
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Re: Hello everyone.
John Sincerbeaux still does his marquetry by hand. Dave Davies On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 4:59?PM ³Ò¨¹°ù±ð°ù via <gurerwoodcraft=[email protected]> wrote:
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