Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
David,
This quote: "You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point." , along with the one about specializing in boring repetitive tasks are the stuff of a follow on career in comedy (the niche may be a bit slim...).
Marlowe?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:37 AM David Kumm < davekumm@...> wrote:
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
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Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
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There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
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But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
Woodworking machines are selling higher but manual metalworking don't seem to follow.? I suspect the hobby crowd doesn't go in for metalworking as much as wood.? Dave
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Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site shows if it was
a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper than the Unique
S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide belt sander until
the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
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Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
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There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Laser Kerf Line for slider saw?
FWIW, just got an email from CPO listing Bosch refurbished cross hair red laser for $49. i looked up the power spec and it is <1.5mW. i looked up a dewalt and it listed similar power.
so i am pretty sure all of these pen type lasers on ebay with listed power of 50mW, 100mW or 200mW is incorrect specification. maybe it is the power supply power as opposed to laser power consumption.
imran
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On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:34 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote: ? Brett, ? Thanks for the boom pic. I could not connect text to the previous pic. BTW, you found the same orientation best as I did. Locating laser on the saw guard made it faint 10ft away and really bright near blade. I ended up mounting midway along the length of slider on the wall. I do not see any power rating of laser on amazon, does the unit list wattage? From my experience, keep it within reach so it is easy to align and all should be fine. ? Imran ? ? David Davies - the Frame Press is a Soukup FP32.21 from Soukup America, contact through Greg Godbout at Rangate for inquiries - I received it earlier this year and I cant express the extent of"better" it has made for me since transitioning to a one man operation in the Covid era. Imran - this photo should better illustrate the issue of needing a boom arm. I just rigged up a metal stud for concept and locating. Final fit would ideally be a tripod mount that can telescope and lock adjustments, but I bet I just find an old piece of scrap square tube or unistrut once I find it sitting in some dark corner of the shop lol. ? On Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 10:02 AM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote: Brett,
thanks for sharing details. i am not following this part, “Changes to be made: add a metal boom from overhead guard to make a fixed mount”
did you not use the magnetic bracket that came with the laser? it is hard to tell from pic if you made a custom bracket.
imran
On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Brett Wissel <Brettwissel@...> wrote:
Changes to be made: add a metal boom from overhead guard to make a fixed mount
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
Great article.? Lots of interesting articles on game theory and how to bid too.? The last one I read suggested not putting in your max bid as that site
shows if it was a proxy increase or a bid. ??That sander is a 2004 build.? New it’s $29K.? I decided I’d rather buy used at up to $10K over a new but lesser machine.? I had been assuming I’d come across a Kundig Uniq and without the belt feed it’s a lot cheaper
than the Unique S.? But this one showed up and amazingly my max was the winning number. It should get here for right at my max with tax.
?
Sadly for me, the used machine market is super strong right now.? In 2010 when I had a much smaller space the deals were amazing.? I may wait on a wide
belt sander until the building/remodeling boom ends.
?
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On Behalf Of Bill James via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:57 PM
To: [email protected]
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There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA
There are a lot of Taiwan Bridgeport clones out on the used market.? Bidspotter has them all the time.? Now if you find a good condition Wells Index, particularly the vertical/ horizontal, that is worth watching.? They are still in business in US and a step
up in build.? Dave
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good to know Brian. i guess something in line with Bill James’ buyers curse.
imran
On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
?That was a pricey amount for an old manual machine. I’ve seen a lot of Bridgeports sell for less than that. Also, don’t forget, those can be expensive to move, and easy to damage...
i assume you comment is in jest. we have had few threads about milling machines here. few of us, not me, own them and some would like to, so the reason for sharing.
FWIW, it sold for $3450 ($3967 with buyers premium).
perhaps, milling a part to fix a tool used for cabinet door building is how it can actually help build a cabinet door. personally, i like items that incorporate metal with wood but i do not have metal working knowledge beyond basics.
imran
?How do you make cabinet doors with that?
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Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA
good to know Brian. i guess something in line with Bill James’ buyers curse.
imran
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On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote: ? That was a pricey amount for an old manual machine. I’ve seen a lot of Bridgeports sell for less than that. Also, don’t forget, those can be expensive to move, and easy to damage...
i assume you comment is in jest. we have had few threads about milling machines here. few of us, not me, own them and some would like to, so the reason for sharing.
FWIW, it sold for $3450 ($3967 with buyers premium).
perhaps, milling a part to fix a tool used for cabinet door building is how it can actually help build a cabinet door. personally, i like items that incorporate metal with wood but i do not have metal working knowledge beyond basics.
imran ?How do you make cabinet doors with that?
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Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA
That was a pricey amount for an old manual machine. I’ve seen a lot of Bridgeports sell for less than that. Also, don’t forget, those can be expensive to move, and easy to damage...
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i assume you comment is in jest. we have had few threads about milling machines here. few of us, not me, own them and some would like to, so the reason for sharing.
FWIW, it sold for $3450 ($3967 with buyers premium).
perhaps, milling a part to fix a tool used for cabinet door building is how it can actually help build a cabinet door. personally, i like items that incorporate metal with wood but i do not have metal working knowledge beyond basics.
imran ?How do you make cabinet doors with that?
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Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA
i assume you comment is in jest. we have had few threads about milling machines here. few of us, not me, own them and some would like to, so the reason for sharing.
FWIW, it sold for $3450 ($3967 with buyers premium).
perhaps, milling a part to fix a tool used for cabinet door building is how it can actually help build a cabinet door. personally, i like items that incorporate metal with wood but i do not have metal working knowledge beyond basics.
imran
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On Dec 2, 2020, at 9:53 AM, tomruth@... wrote: ?How do you make cabinet doors with that?
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Re: Jet "JTM-4VS" Vertical Mill - Elk Grove, CA
How do you make cabinet doors with that?
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think the first q is what is the load carried by each screw. load can be shear or tension, or a combination of those. tension capacity of wood screw is typically based on length of thread engaged in the supporting member, typically x lbs per inch of thread. shear capacity can be limited by the screw or the substrate, eg.,? ?soft woods?= lower shear? , steel plates = higher.
Once the shear and tension capacity for the screw?and the materials is defined, then if more than one fastener is required, a group is necessary.? then minimum spacing requirements?come into play,?and in case of bending moments, the load in fasteners farthest from the center of bending is highest..??
like so many things, not simple
another solution?is to mock up and test.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 10:52 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana= [email protected]> wrote: i thought i had read that the length of screw into the material that you are fixing the object to, should be at min 1.5x of the object (being fixed) thickness.
so if you are securing 3/4” thick material to something then 1 1/8” of the screw should be in that substrate. the total length then would depend on whether the screw is flush or recessed in the 3/4” material.
i hope i am remembering this correctly. wish i could find the source. obviously just a basic rule with many caveats.
imran ?Following up on Assy plus screw for plywood cabinet,
I would like to try some new screws for plywood cabinet carcasses.?I called the local Wurth and they only have 2" in stock, but I can order any size they do not have in stock. So, what size is a good size for 3/4 plywood. I currently use 1.5" screw from rockler, but this is what I have and no idea if good or not.
Thanks,
Bill
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i thought i had read that the length of screw into the material that you are fixing the object to, should be at min 1.5x of the object (being fixed) thickness.
so if you are securing 3/4” thick material to something then 1 1/8” of the screw should be in that substrate. the total length then would depend on whether the screw is flush or recessed in the 3/4” material.
i hope i am remembering this correctly. wish i could find the source. obviously just a basic rule with many caveats.
imran
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On Dec 1, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Bill James via groups.io <xxrb2010@...> wrote: ?Following up on Assy plus screw for plywood cabinet,
I would like to try some new screws for plywood cabinet carcasses.?I called the local Wurth and they only have 2" in stock, but I can order any size they do not have in stock. So, what size is a good size for 3/4 plywood. I currently use 1.5" screw from rockler, but this is what I have and no idea if good or not.
Thanks,
Bill
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Lot of great feedback,
Not sure what to do now :), I will buy one pack of each and test the next 5 years....
Bill
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
There is a theory for this: the winner's curse
.
But as long as you feel good about it, everything is fine.
Bill
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
I was looking for either.? This particular one has the feed built in but you can only work on one side.? The Kundig Uniq is two sided.? One side set
for calibrated sanding, even sanding lacquer between coats.? The other side is like a regular edge sander.? If it was a Kundig I would have paid the same.
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On Behalf Of Shinta Wakahisa via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 8:10 PM
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Congrats!??
I am curious if you would elaborate how this machine compared to a Kundig Uniq S.? There must be reasons why you waited 2-3 years for this brand???
SW
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
Congrats!??
I am curious if you would elaborate how this machine compared to a Kundig Uniq S.? There must be reasons why you waited 2-3 years for this brand???
SW
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Re: Excellent Free Resource
I’ve had that book given to me about 1973 and have used it many times. ?I have also found “Modern Cabinetmaking” fifth edition by Umstattd, Davis & Molzahn very useful. ?It is used as textbook at the Technical College in Madison, Wisconsin.
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Oops, the bit below was about “Cabinet Making and Millwork” which was written as a college textbook for the millwork industry.? Love the other book too. ?
? ? ? ? Love that book.? In 1970 when I was 8 years old my dad got that book from the Reader’s Digest book club and he used it to learn how to build kitchen cabinets.? As the oldest I was the shop help and the shop was an unheated poorly sealed 80 year old garage with a dirt floor in rural Iowa. We built the kitchen cabinets with a 1940s Craftsman table saw and did the profiling with a table saw molding head with steel cutters and the panel raising as a bevel cut with the saw.? All sanding was by hand.? Dad didn’t have much money.? The Ash came from a tree that he had sawn up.? He bought and old 24” Parks planer with a square cutterhead driven by a 24HP gas engine.? ? I’ve given away several of those books over the years.? Great stuff ? ? i found a used copy and ordered it. here are couple of links: Encyclopedia of Furniture Making?
On Nov 28, 2020, at 12:02 AM, murrayau1 <murraywp@...> wrote:
? Hi Imran Thanks for sharing that link the book looks really useful. One of my go to books for problem-solving is the Encyclopaedia of Furniture Making by Ernest Joyce, updated by Alan Peters. There is a chapter on carcass building that refers to the Design Manual for Cabinet Furniture published by Furniture Development Council. I suspect that this book was published a very long time ago and I’m not even sure that the so-called Furniture Council still exists. But it sounds like a really useful guide to the structural design of cabinets for stiffness and longevity. I tried to track it down but can’t find a trace of it has anybody heard of this book? Murray
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Re: AD 741 Loose Drive Belt
I have not had an opportunity to run down all the suggestions made by the Group regarding
the floppy drive belt. . I did send the video clip to Felder and the clip is being sent to Austria.?
Hopefully by end of week?should know something.? I am using the machine and getting
great results - hope I am not?ruining something!
gary
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
Joe - I was bidding against you but I got out early. These don't come up often. Congrats!
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Kerry Smith
Gotham Woodworks
www.gothamwoodworks.com
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
You can't overpay for the right machine.? I've spent a lot of money proving that point.? dave
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I probably overpaid but this is the first I’ve seen come up in 2-3 years
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Jason Holtz
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:01 PM
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I almost bid against you Joe!
Jason Holtz
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
612.432.2765
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Jason
J. Holtz Furniture
3307 Snelling Ave. South
Minneapolis, MN 55406
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Re: Langzauner LZK-3-NCV Edge Sander - new to me
Really sweet machine Joe.? Even if it turns out to need 460v, that machine is well worth the cost of a transformer.? I've got to research the Langzauner.? Dave
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I "won" today at auction an edge sander that I've been looking for at auction for a couple of years.? Apparently the Euro veneer sanders are scarce in the US.? This was has the feed belt built in with a top mounted pressure bar.? This machine was built
for 230V/460V but it's wired for 460V so I will need to get that sorted.? And I will need to again order more Nordfab pipe.? Now the fingers crossed wait to make sure it arrives safely.
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imran
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