Re: Router Spindle or Router Lift
Hi Jose,
I have an?INCRA PRL-V2 Lift on an extension attached to a TS that I'm replacing. It's okay. I find the fine adjustment wheel to be a bit awkward to use and if I do end up with another router table, I was going to try the Jessem. I'll be curious if you get the opportunity to compare the two. I have a?Leigh RJT400 dovetail jig that probably isn't going to work on a shaper with a router spindle, so I'll either have to replace the dovetail jig or get a router table, which I don't really have room for.?
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I recently starting having issues with getting boards straight on my A941 jointer, Im assuming something has gone out of allignment but Im not quite sure where to start. When I joint the edges of a 800mm board Im getting a concave joint by about 0.5-1mm. However, when I am flattening a long board I often now find that the blades dont touch the last 20% of the board so I end up having to switch the board around so its going across "backwards" first and then the blades do touch that missed area but then dont touch the final 20% of the board which it was getting on the first pass. I hope that reads a little easier than I think it does!
My theory is that the outfeed table might be leaning out of straight with the edge furthest from the blade being the lowest. Anyone had an issue like this or have any suggestions for how I improve my technique? As a side note, I wasnt having any of these issue for the previous 6 months that I owned the machine
Thanks all!
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Thanks Imran,?the Nailer I have is a brand sold in Australia by tool company call Trade Tools, it is a re-badge? Chinese brand, I think it may be the same as Freeman which are sold at home depo. Most of their rebadged tools are not top shelf quality but they are generally quite serviceable.
Murray
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Hi Murray,
You did not say which brand/model of brad nailer you purchased. Mine in Bostitch and it shoots, IIRC, from 5/8“ to 2”. The depth is adjusted like you mentioned by a wheel. As you increase/decrease the depth you can easily see the head move in/out.
I have a baby California compressor and it goes to 120PSI. I remember calling them as it was turning of sooner than 120 PSI. I believe they told me how to fix it otherwise I would still be pissed. My shop compressor still smallish trips at 125PSI.
To state the obvious, to get consistent results the compressor should turn on before the pressure drops to what the tool is operating at, hopefully with some margin.
Imran
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On May 27, 2020, at 11:15 PM, murrayau1 <murraywp@...> wrote: ?Hi all
I just bought a Brad Nailer, I have never owned any sort of pneumatic nailing tool before.
I have some 18 gauge brads, the smallest are 15 mm and the longest 30. I have tested it in some softwood and some very hard hardwood and it seems to consistently bury the head but only just. Much of what I read suggested that the depth of penetration depends on the pressure setting but the pressure doesn't seem to make much difference until the tank pressure starts dropping to the pressure where the pump kicks in (I think this is about 86 psi on my compressor) there is a knob just in front of the nailer trigger which I think controls depth, if I wind it back it will leave the heads just protruding but even when I turned it to the maximum in only just sinks them.
I'm try to work out a number of things so I have the following questions:
Is it normal if you have a good Brad nailer and a suitable compressor that you should be able to adjust things so that you can comfortably bury the head?
Any ideas as to whether my problem is caused by the compressor or the nailer?
I think my compressor (a bit hard to read the small gauge) kicks in at about 86 psi and switches off just over 100. Is this an acceptable range? From what I've read on the Internet the suggestion seems to be 90?to 100 psi. Given that many tools need more than 90 this seems a bit strange, are you just supposed to put up with the tool slowing down too much before the pump kicks in? The instruction manual does show how to modify the compressor settings but warns against doing so.
Thanks in advance
Murray
PS my compressor is a Chicago air Hush 30. I think it is a knockoff of a California Air design. The tank is 30 L or 6.5 gallons, it's supposed to have an FAD of 110 L per minute which I think is about 4 CFM.
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Hi all
I just bought a Brad Nailer, I have never owned any sort of pneumatic nailing tool before.
I have some 18 gauge brads, the smallest are 15 mm and the longest 30. I have tested it in some softwood and some very hard hardwood and it seems to consistently bury the head but only just. Much of what I read suggested that the depth of penetration depends on the pressure setting but the pressure doesn't seem to make much difference until the tank pressure starts dropping to the pressure where the pump kicks in (I think this is about 86 psi on my compressor) there is a knob just in front of the nailer trigger which I think controls depth, if I wind it back it will leave the heads just protruding but even when I turned it to the maximum in only just sinks them.
I'm try to work out a number of things so I have the following questions:
Is it normal if you have a good Brad nailer and a suitable compressor that you should be able to adjust things so that you can comfortably bury the head?
Any ideas as to whether my problem is caused by the compressor or the nailer?
I think my compressor (a bit hard to read the small gauge) kicks in at about 86 psi and switches off just over 100. Is this an acceptable range? From what I've read on the Internet the suggestion seems to be 90?to 100 psi. Given that many tools need more than 90 this seems a bit strange, are you just supposed to put up with the tool slowing down too much before the pump kicks in? The instruction manual does show how to modify the compressor settings but warns against doing so.
Thanks in advance
Murray
PS my compressor is a Chicago air Hush 30. I think it is a knockoff of a California Air design. The tank is 30 L or 6.5 gallons, it's supposed to have an FAD of 110 L per minute which I think is about 4 CFM.
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Re: Router Spindle or Router Lift
Hi David and Joe,
Have you all found any issues when it comes to putting profiles on thin stock?? That is one concern I have.
Thanks
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Re: Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
It has a countersunk bolt to hold it to the spindle, so nothing protrudes from the top. You can cut as wide a step as you want by taking multiple passes.
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Jonathon,
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Sorry thick headed, not following this, “They made me a combi head to fit the Felder spindle which allows you to fly over the cutter so with two passes you can achieve a deep tennon”
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The link for combi head says Felder/Hammer. I assume that means it would take Felder 40mm safety cutterhead blades. True?
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Imran
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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of jontathan samways
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FOG] Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
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Whitehill have made me a few heads....there good quality....also Dave gave me a personal tour of the factory which was fascinating.?
They made me a combi head to fit the Felder spindle which allows you to fly over the cutter so with two passes you can achieve a deep tennon.
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Whitehill has really expanded their offering, and at less than half the cost of Rangate, are a great value IMO. ? And a lot of their profiles are unique and very attractive in the US market.
Another alternative for tenoning is a conventional dado set bored to 30mm - here’s a double stack of Forrest Dado King 10” dado cutters on my KF700 - this needs a proper tenoning hood for sure:
I used that setup to tenon 5x5 fence rails to 3?” depth. ? ?This link might be useful: ???
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I have two of the Felder rebate heads noted by David — probably because of his recommendation in the Survival Guide.? I have used them for tenons with no issues, although the will not drop below the table of my CF741 due to their diameter (220mm).? I use a
piece of ?” plywood as a tenoning plate to raise the stock and rebate heads.
An alternative, that appears to be less money with greater depth (99mm!) are the tenon plates from Whitehill:
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I have two of these and you can do 74mm deep cuts. Pretty close to 3”
?I wanted to see if anyone knows the depth of cut available when using the Felder Adjustable Groover as a tenon cutter on the shaper? Here is the link to the exact itemhttps://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Sawing/Tongue-and-groove-cutters/Adjustable-Dado-Cutter-for-Saw-Unit-RB-HW-Adjustable-groover-12-0-20-0-mm.html
I have the 700 series shaper with the 230mm hood. Are there any other options for tenon cutters that will get me 3 inches or so of depth that you recommend?
Thanks
Michael
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Re: Router Spindle or Router Lift
I'm with Joe love my router spindle. Quite, smoother, better cut, doesn't slow down when taking a cut. Although I got mine cause when I bought my KF700sp I didn't have any shaper cutters or really any idea how to use the shaper. Did and still do have quite a few router bits. Although slowly working on phasing out the router bits and getting the shaper cutters. One job at a time.
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Re: Router Spindle or Router Lift
Hi James,
I did but they didn't offer any fix option.? I was willing to pay for replacement screw but they told me that part is not available.? I had this lift for about 10 years so I am guessing they no longer carry parts for this old version.
Thanks,
Jose
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Re: Switch on slider? air hose connection space.
It’s only 2 buttons one for on one for off. The saws with motor scoring I believe there is a switch on the controls by the tilt wheel that you switch on and leave or something like that, believe single or 3 phase, they run 24v on one of the rails
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On May 27, 2020, at 7:44 PM, jmkserv@... wrote:
? Is the stop button option for single phase machines with belt drive? Can't see how ith would work with 3 phase and scoring. Mark,
2017. If they added a stop button then maybe Mac's clamps might be a problem, but I would think he has a solution.
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507
Hi Glen, what year is your machine? I think the off button is on all the new ones in the past Year or two ? Acharya, Yes Mac's clamps will work fine, Here is how mine came out. As for the on buttons on the slider, Yes I like them however There is no off button. I am not sure why but It doesn't really matter as after the cut you are back up at the machine. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:33 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm planning to install Mac's Airtite clamps on the KF.
Will these switches cause an issues in that regard?
With a switch for the saw and the scoring motor, is there still adequate space on the end of the slider for the air hose connections?
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Re: Router Spindle or Router Lift
I appreciate your perspective... I have the router spindle but haven’t had the opportunity to use it yet.
Bill Bélanger?
I will go against the grain here. I am a fan of the router spindle.? I never bought into fancy router tables or lifts and I’ve always had a shaper since
my dad started woodworking when I was 8 years old. Back then router tables were a scrap of plywood with the router inverted.? My
router table was a woodpeckers plate and a space cut into a bench top.? For a fence I clamped a flat board to the bench top and used the tap method to adjust.? I never understood spending $1000 or more making a router mimic a shaper and sorry to disappoint,
but that 3HP 110V router is not a real 3HP.
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I have a large selection of shaper cutters and my natural tendency is to do the operation with a shaper and feeder if at all possible.
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I also have 30 years worth of quality router bits.? None larger than a ?” rabbit
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I hate the noise pollution routers cause, even though I’m wearing hearing protection routers are loud.
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Once someone experiences the quality of cut a power feeder gives….
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My 2009 Felder KF700SP with variable speed spec’d the router spindle as rated for up to 19,000 RPM and that manual says you can go up to 23,000 with reduced bearing life
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A 25K RPM router is never running under load at anywhere near that speed.? My 5HP induction motor turns that ?” router bit at 19,000 no matter what.
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With my Felder the router spindle is nearly silent, I have digital height readout too.
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I love the router spindle and while I don’t use the router that much, I’ve never felt it turned too slow.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of jose alberto via
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 3:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FOG] Router Spindle or Router Lift
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Hi Guys,
My Jessem router lift broke.? Threads on screw have worn out and therefor doesn't hold position.? So this is opportunity to maybe purchase the router spindle for my KF700 but its price of $912 is making me doubt if its worth it.? The other option is to replace
the Jessem router lift with another router lift which I am leaning towards the??for $349 after a discount.? So I am pretty sure this is probably the smart choice but for any that have been in same situation and have ditched the router lift and have replaced it with the router spindle, I am curious what your
opinions and inputs are.
Thanks,
Jose
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Re: Switch on slider? air hose connection space.
Is the stop button option for single phase machines with belt drive? Can't see how ith would work with 3 phase and scoring.
Mark,
2017. If they added a stop button then maybe Mac's clamps might be a problem, but I would think he has a solution.
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507
Hi Glen, what year is your machine? I think the off button is on all the new ones in the past Year or two ? Acharya, Yes Mac's clamps will work fine, Here is how mine came out. As for the on buttons on the slider, Yes I like them however There is no off button. I am not sure why but It doesn't really matter as after the cut you are back up at the machine. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:33 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm planning to install Mac's Airtite clamps on the KF.
Will these switches cause an issues in that regard?
With a switch for the saw and the scoring motor, is there still adequate space on the end of the slider for the air hose connections?
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Re: Switch on slider? air hose connection space.
Mark,
2017. If they added a stop button then maybe Mac's clamps might be a problem, but I would think he has a solution.
Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507
Hi Glen, what year is your machine? I think the off button is on all the new ones in the past Year or two ? Acharya, Yes Mac's clamps will work fine, Here is how mine came out. As for the on buttons on the slider, Yes I like them however There is no off button. I am not sure why but It doesn't really matter as after the cut you are back up at the machine. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:33 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm planning to install Mac's Airtite clamps on the KF.
Will these switches cause an issues in that regard?
With a switch for the saw and the scoring motor, is there still adequate space on the end of the slider for the air hose connections?
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Re: Switch on slider? air hose connection space.
Hi Glen, what year is your machine? I think the off button is on all the new ones in the past Year or two
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On May 27, 2020, at 7:31 PM, Glen Christensen <grchris1966@...> wrote:
? Acharya, Yes Mac's clamps will work fine, Here is how mine came out. As for the on buttons on the slider, Yes I like them however There is no off button. I am not sure why but It doesn't really matter as after the cut you are back up at the machine. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:33 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm planning to install Mac's Airtite clamps on the KF.
Will these switches cause an issues in that regard?
With a switch for the saw and the scoring motor, is there still adequate space on the end of the slider for the air hose connections?
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Re: Switch on slider? air hose connection space.
Acharya, Yes Mac's clamps will work fine, Here is how mine came out. As for the on buttons on the slider, Yes I like them however There is no off button. I am not sure why but It doesn't really matter as after the cut you are back up at the machine. Glen
Alpine Moulding and Millwork Inc.
Mail: ?? P.O. Box 257 ?????????? Avery, CA. 95224 Shop: 441 Pennsylvania Gulch Road ????????? Murphys, CA. 95247
????????? 650-678-3137 LIC # 707507
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:33 PM Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm planning to install Mac's Airtite clamps on the KF.
Will these switches cause an issues in that regard?
With a switch for the saw and the scoring motor, is there still adequate space on the end of the slider for the air hose connections?
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Re: Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut
Jonathon, ? Sorry thick headed, not following this, “They made me a combi head to fit the Felder spindle which allows you to fly over the cutter so with two passes you can achieve a deep tennon” ? The link for combi head says Felder/Hammer. I assume that means it would take Felder 40mm safety cutterhead blades. True? ? Imran ?
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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of jontathan samways Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:45 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FOG] Adjustable Groover Item # 03.0.033 depth of cut ? Whitehill have made me a few heads....there good quality....also Dave gave me a personal tour of the factory which was fascinating.? They made me a combi head to fit the Felder spindle which allows you to fly over the cutter so with two passes you can achieve a deep tennon. ? Whitehill has really expanded their offering, and at less than half the cost of Rangate, are a great value IMO. ? And a lot of their profiles are unique and very attractive in the US market. Another alternative for tenoning is a conventional dado set bored to 30mm - here’s a double stack of Forrest Dado King 10” dado cutters on my KF700 - this needs a proper tenoning hood for sure: I used that setup to tenon 5x5 fence rails to 3?” depth. ? ?This link might be useful: ??? ? ? ? I have two of the Felder rebate heads noted by David — probably because of his recommendation in the Survival Guide.? I have used them for tenons with no issues, although the will not drop below the table of my CF741 due to their diameter (220mm).? I use a piece of ?” plywood as a tenoning plate to raise the stock and rebate heads. An alternative, that appears to be less money with greater depth (99mm!) are the tenon plates from Whitehill:
? I have two of these and you can do 74mm deep cuts. Pretty close to 3” ?I wanted to see if anyone knows the depth of cut available when using the Felder Adjustable Groover as a tenon cutter on the shaper? Here is the link to the exact itemhttps://us.feldershop.com/en-US/en-US/en-US/Sawing/Tongue-and-groove-cutters/Adjustable-Dado-Cutter-for-Saw-Unit-RB-HW-Adjustable-groover-12-0-20-0-mm.html
I have the 700 series shaper with the 230mm hood. Are there any other options for tenon cutters that will get me 3 inches or so of depth that you recommend?
Thanks
Michael
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Re: Router Spindle or Router Lift
I will go against the grain here. I am a fan of the router spindle.? I never bought into fancy router tables or lifts and I’ve always had a shaper since
my dad started woodworking when I was 8 years old. Back then router tables were a scrap of plywood with the router inverted.? My
router table was a woodpeckers plate and a space cut into a bench top.? For a fence I clamped a flat board to the bench top and used the tap method to adjust. ?I never understood spending $1000 or more making a router mimic a shaper and sorry to disappoint,
but that 3HP 110V router is not a real 3HP.
-
I have a large selection of shaper cutters and my natural tendency is to do the operation with a shaper and feeder if at all possible.
-
I also have 30 years worth of quality router bits.? None larger than a ?” rabbit
-
I hate the noise pollution routers cause, even though I’m wearing hearing protection routers are loud.
-
Once someone experiences the quality of cut a power feeder gives….
-
My 2009 Felder KF700SP with variable speed spec’d the router spindle as rated for up to 19,000 RPM and that manual says you can go up to 23,000 with reduced bearing life
-
A 25K RPM router is never running under load at anywhere near that speed.? My 5HP induction motor turns that ?” router bit at 19,000 no matter what.
-
With my Felder the router spindle is nearly silent, I have digital height readout too.
?
I love the router spindle and while I don’t use the router that much, I’ve never felt it turned too slow.
?
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On Behalf Of jose alberto via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 3:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FOG] Router Spindle or Router Lift
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Hi Guys,
My Jessem router lift broke.? Threads on screw have worn out and therefor doesn't hold position.? So this is opportunity to maybe purchase the router spindle for my KF700 but its price of $912 is making me doubt if its worth it.? The other option is to replace
the Jessem router lift with another router lift which I am leaning towards the??for $349 after a discount.? So I am pretty sure this is probably the smart choice but for any that have been in same situation and have ditched the router lift and have replaced it with the router spindle, I am curious what your
opinions and inputs are.
Thanks,
Jose
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Re: Router Spindle or Router Lift
I have a woodpecker router lift and love it. ? This is their latest model — ?similar to the Incra you mention except the rings are twist on/off on the Woodpeckers versus 4-screws hold downs for the rings on the Incra:
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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On May 27, 2020, at 3:09 PM, jose alberto via < jchio_75@...> wrote:
Hi Guys,
My Jessem router lift broke.? Threads on screw have worn out and therefor doesn't hold position.? So this is opportunity to maybe purchase the router spindle for my KF700 but its price of $912 is making me doubt if its worth it.? The other option is to replace the Jessem router lift with another router lift which I am leaning towards the??for $349 after a discount.? So I am pretty sure this is probably the smart choice but for any that have been in same situation and have ditched the router lift and have replaced it with the router spindle, I am curious what your opinions and inputs are.
Thanks,
Jose
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Re: Router Spindle or Router Lift
Why not call Jessem and see what?they say?
James?
Hi Guys,
My Jessem router lift broke.? Threads on screw have worn out and therefor doesn't hold position.? So this is opportunity to maybe purchase the router spindle for my KF700 but its price of $912 is making me doubt if its worth it.? The other option is to replace the Jessem router lift with another router lift which I am leaning towards the??for $349 after a discount.? So I am pretty sure this is probably the smart choice but for any that have been in same situation and have ditched the router lift and have replaced it with the router spindle, I am curious what your opinions and inputs are.
Thanks,
Jose
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Re: Switch on slider? air hose connection space.
its a tight fit, I ran air lines for non Mac clamps on a k700s with on/off switches on the end of slide, I think there are only 2 switches no matter the config of the scoring?
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On May 27, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Bill Bélanger <Bllblngr@...> wrote:
? On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 15:33 Acharya Kumarnathaswami < kumar@...> wrote: I'm planning to install Mac's Airtite clamps on the KF.
Will these switches cause an issues in that regard?
With a switch for the saw and the scoring motor, is there still adequate space on the end of the slider for the air hose connections?
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