Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
There was a nice looking 2015 ti120 with the side tenoning table and decent looking air clamp setup that just went on machinerymax for 6k.?
Tom, I agree that your set up is about 3 levels above the F7.? A side mount tenoning table, if you have the space, is pick of the coping litter.? The spindle bearings on the T130 were lightened up in the early 2000s and I wonder if the TF might follow the older
build with double bearings at the top of the quill vs the single 6009 used on later T130.? Still, the T130 is a much more commercial build than either the 700 or 900 , or T55.
The eastern block European countries made a very nice Martin copy, branded as Unitronix, EMA, Kirchenfeld, Polamco, etc, that had a nice side mounted table and open oil drip bearings.? I don't know if they eventually went to greased bearings as did Martin when
they slightly lightened up their machines.
Dave
David Kumm,?
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Sound like you're pretty well set up, but if you were to consolidate down to a single machine I can share that I've been very happy with my TF-130.
-- I ordered mine with the TL Pro-10 package, which includes the side-mount tenoning table, cast-iron in-feed table, and pull-out material support.
-- It's an all-mechanical machine, so there's no microprocessors to fail.
-- Digital (mechanical) indicators for the spindle height, primary fence and in-feed fence positions.?
-- "Flex" hood system allows you to swing the hood out of the way, uses two heavy indexing pins to properly locate on the table.?
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It's a great setup, and I've found it just as easy/fast to set up as the touch-screen machines.?
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Kory,?
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I'd suggest taking a loot at a "stock" TF-130 and comparing it to the T55ES. The TF-130 likely doesn't have some of the bells/whistles of the T55ES, but my suspicion is that the TF-130 is a fundamentally more capable machine, which you can always accessorize
at a later time. I'd also suggest that, as enticing as the integrated sliding table may seem on the F7/F-700/T55ES, I've been much happier with the solid cast iron top on my TF-130. For quick/easy tenoning I've been more than happy using the
. For heavier tenoning work, I have my TL Pro-10 side-mount tenoning table, but you can always acquire the
, which simply bolts on to any cast iron top, and takes no more time to set up than adding/aligning a fence on a aluminum sliding table.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
Tom,
Thanks for the details. That is a great setup.
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My TF-130 came out to be ~$30k. The TL Pro-10 package alone is ~$11k. Other options I included were:
-- TL Pro-10 package, which includes the side-mount tenoning table, cast iron in-feed table, pull-out material support bar, tenoning hood, and turret stop.?
-- "Flex" fence system which allows the fence to swing out of the way
-- "Fast" sectional table, which replaces the cast iron insert rings with a sliding section of table with a Garolite insert that slides in dovetail ways
-- 1-1/4" spindle, 40mm spindle, router spindle
-- Strangely, stock SCM machines come standard with Imperial displays, I had to have my machine custom configured with MM displays
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It's essentially the same configuration as Albert Lee's TI-145, minus the tilting spindle and electronics.?
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When I placed the order, lead time was ~6 months.?
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I've since added a DS-400 smart stand, Aigner Integral fences, and bored/tapped for the Aigner Bowmould 220. I've been really happy with it thus far. With the mechanical digital displays, I can set up tooling just as fast as on the Profil 45 X-Motion.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
Tom, I agree that your set up is about 3 levels above the F7.? A side mount tenoning table, if you have the space, is pick of the coping litter.? The spindle bearings on the T130 were lightened up in the early 2000s and I wonder if the TF might follow the older
build with double bearings at the top of the quill vs the single 6009 used on later T130.? Still, the T130 is a much more commercial build than either the 700 or 900 , or T55.
The eastern block European countries made a very nice Martin copy, branded as Unitronix, EMA, Kirchenfeld, Polamco, etc, that had a nice side mounted table and open oil drip bearings.? I don't know if they eventually went to greased bearings as did Martin when
they slightly lightened up their machines.
Dave
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David Kumm,?
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Sound like you're pretty well set up, but if you were to consolidate down to a single machine I can share that I've been very happy with my TF-130.
-- I ordered mine with the TL Pro-10 package, which includes the side-mount tenoning table, cast-iron in-feed table, and pull-out material support.
-- It's an all-mechanical machine, so there's no microprocessors to fail.
-- Digital (mechanical) indicators for the spindle height, primary fence and in-feed fence positions.?
-- "Flex" hood system allows you to swing the hood out of the way, uses two heavy indexing pins to properly locate on the table.?
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It's a great setup, and I've found it just as easy/fast to set up as the touch-screen machines.?
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Kory,?
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I'd suggest taking a loot at a "stock" TF-130 and comparing it to the T55ES. The TF-130 likely doesn't have some of the bells/whistles of the T55ES, but my suspicion is that the TF-130 is a fundamentally more capable machine, which you can always accessorize
at a later time. I'd also suggest that, as enticing as the integrated sliding table may seem on the F7/F-700/T55ES, I've been much happier with the solid cast iron top on my TF-130. For quick/easy tenoning I've been more than happy using the
. For heavier tenoning work, I have my TL Pro-10 side-mount tenoning table, but you can always acquire the
, which simply bolts on to any cast iron top, and takes no more time to set up than adding/aligning a fence on a aluminum sliding table.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
Hi Imran,?
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My TF-130 came out to be ~$30k. The TL Pro-10 package alone is ~$11k. Other options I included were:
-- TL Pro-10 package, which includes the side-mount tenoning table, cast iron in-feed table, pull-out material support bar, tenoning hood, and turret stop.?
-- "Flex" fence system which allows the fence to swing out of the way
-- "Fast" sectional table, which replaces the cast iron insert rings with a sliding section of table with a Garolite insert that slides in dovetail ways
-- 1-1/4" spindle, 40mm spindle, router spindle
-- Strangely, stock SCM machines come standard with Imperial displays, I had to have my machine custom configured with MM displays
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It's essentially the same configuration as Albert Lee's TI-145, minus the tilting spindle and electronics.?
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When I placed the order, lead time was ~6 months.?
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I've since added a DS-400 smart stand, Aigner Integral fences, and bored/tapped for the Aigner Bowmould 220. I've been really happy with it thus far. With the mechanical digital displays, I can set up tooling just as fast as on the Profil 45 X-Motion.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
Hi Tom,
How much did your TF-130 run with your configuration?
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Sound like you're pretty well set up, but if you were to consolidate down to a single machine I can share that I've been very happy with my TF-130.
-- I ordered mine with the TL Pro-10 package, which includes the side-mount tenoning table, cast-iron in-feed table, and pull-out material support.
-- It's an all-mechanical machine, so there's no microprocessors to fail.
-- Digital (mechanical) indicators for the spindle height, primary fence and in-feed fence positions.?
-- "Flex" hood system allows you to swing the hood out of the way, uses two heavy indexing pins to properly locate on the table.?
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It's a great setup, and I've found it just as easy/fast to set up as the touch-screen machines.?
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Kory,?
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I'd suggest taking a loot at a "stock" TF-130 and comparing it to the T55ES. The TF-130 likely doesn't have some of the bells/whistles of the T55ES, but my suspicion is that the TF-130 is a fundamentally more capable machine, which you can always accessorize at a later time. I'd also suggest that, as enticing as the integrated sliding table may seem on the F7/F-700/T55ES, I've been much happier with the solid cast iron top on my TF-130. For quick/easy tenoning I've been more than happy using the . For heavier tenoning work, I have my TL Pro-10 side-mount tenoning table, but you can always acquire the , which simply bolts on to any cast iron top, and takes no more time to set up than adding/aligning a fence on a aluminum sliding table.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
David Kumm,?
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Sound like you're pretty well set up, but if you were to consolidate down to a single machine I can share that I've been very happy with my TF-130.
-- I ordered mine with the TL Pro-10 package, which includes the side-mount tenoning table, cast-iron in-feed table, and pull-out material support.
-- It's an all-mechanical machine, so there's no microprocessors to fail.
-- Digital (mechanical) indicators for the spindle height, primary fence and in-feed fence positions.?
-- "Flex" hood system allows you to swing the hood out of the way, uses two heavy indexing pins to properly locate on the table.?
?
It's a great setup, and I've found it just as easy/fast to set up as the touch-screen machines.?
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Kory,?
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I'd suggest taking a loot at a "stock" TF-130 and comparing it to the T55ES. The TF-130 likely doesn't have some of the bells/whistles of the T55ES, but my suspicion is that the TF-130 is a fundamentally more capable machine, which you can always accessorize at a later time. I'd also suggest that, as enticing as the integrated sliding table may seem on the F7/F-700/T55ES, I've been much happier with the solid cast iron top on my TF-130. For quick/easy tenoning I've been more than happy using the . For heavier tenoning work, I have my TL Pro-10 side-mount tenoning table, but you can always acquire the , which simply bolts on to any cast iron top, and takes no more time to set up than adding/aligning a fence on a aluminum sliding table.?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
I'd offer 5500.? If he takes it, contact me and I'll loan you the 3/4" spindle to finish your doors, just pay shipping . ? As to the SCM, Minimax, I'd look at the motors before upgrading.? My only complaint with SCM machines are the Italian motors.? I've had
to rewind a couple and they tend to run hot - or at least they used to.? May be different now but the motors for the US market were the same as the 7.5 p @ 50hz, just speeded up to 60 hz and producing 9 hp.? That should not cause problems, particularly with
new, but I'd ask about the motors before paying much of an upcharge for 10 hp.
I'm still mixed about the F7.? I love my machine, but a newer shaper with better fence, new Smart stand feeder, and an easier way to convert settings would be nice.? I have the room so it was cheaper for me to buy three used machines and never reset a fence
when doing doors and panels.? If I only had one machine, set up ease would be a big deal.?
Dave
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Just to clarify fully, the owner is . I'm budgeting about $1500 on top of that for freight since I need liftgate delivery.
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The challenge with the 3/4'' spindle is I have a LOT of existing tooling for it, and I don't want to swap all of it out immediately. I'm halfway through replacing all doors in my home with that existing tooling, so it's important to me I keep using it
to match the exact profile & build of doors I've build already.
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The is actually about $10.5k new, but it's $15k when optioned and taxes & delivery are added:
* outrigger table
* 10HP (instead of 8HP) motor
* "swing away" feeder arm
* 3/4'' spindle
* 10% sales tax
* 1k freight
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I'm looking at SCM since a new F700Z does not seem competitive when I add the tenoning table and protection hood, which come standard with the SCM.
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Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
In 2021 I purchased a 2019 F700Z that was essentially never used with a Felder 4 wheel feeder for $7500 plus freight.
Your opportunity sounds expensive but I have not been watching prices.
As a side note one machinery dealer here in the Phoenix area told me that 2024 year to date was down 30% over 2023 and July 2024 was down 40% over July 2023. He said the small commercial shop business was dead. In the last building downturn I got a ton of great deals on machines.
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Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
I ordered the 3/4 spindle when I bought my KF700 but after using larger 30 mm shaper I would never use the 3/4. What a difference.
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davidsonukuleles.com
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I owned an older RL160 (2018?) and my starting capacitor died. Unfortunately you have to cut into the machine (yup) to access that area so I added some sheet metal for a cover where the cutout was made. As part of the troubleshooting Felder recommended I remove the pleats to view the motor impeller and verify a restrictor collar was installed since if it is missing will overrun the machine.? I used a festool vac to get as much dust out as I could from inside the belly of the machine, disconnected the pleat cleaning rod and removed.? Four the pleats there were four screw hold down clamps per each pleat getting those off was pretty easy. Putting them on was a bit tougher.? ?It is an inconvenient task but not a big deal, wear a respirator and if possible wheel the machine outside and blow the heck out of it.? As you remove each pleat there will be nooks and crannies of fine dust piles which will surely fall into your eyes and hair so wear protection.? ?
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Jay Bowen
Cleveland
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Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
Just to clarify fully, the owner is . I'm budgeting about $1500 on top of that for freight since I need liftgate delivery.
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The challenge with the 3/4'' spindle is I have a LOT of existing tooling for it, and I don't want to swap all of it out immediately. I'm halfway through replacing all doors in my home with that existing tooling, so it's important to me I keep using it to match the exact profile & build of doors I've build already.
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The is actually about $10.5k new, but it's $15k when optioned and taxes & delivery are added:
* outrigger table
* 10HP (instead of 8HP) motor
* "swing away" feeder arm
* 3/4'' spindle
* 10% sales tax
* 1k freight
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I'm looking at SCM since a new F700Z does not seem competitive when I add the tenoning table and protection hood, which come standard with the SCM.
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Re: Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
Hi Kory,?
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Welcome to the forum.?
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I don't have any direct experience on the older F7 machines so I can't comment there. I do have a contemporary KF700, which is a saw/shaper with the F700 shaper guts integrated into a K700 sliding table saw. The shaper is fine, and helped to pay for several other machines, including a standalone shaper (Profil 45Z, followed by a TF-130).?
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Finding a 3/4" spindle might be tricky. I was able to order a 3/4" spindle for my KF-700, but I do not see it listed on the current Felder options list, so if that's important to you it may be worth confirming you can order one prior to purchasing a machine. If you're looking at getting a new machine, now would be a great time to bump up to the more capable 30mm or 1-1/4" tooling, particularly since 3/4" spindles may be challenging to acquire.?
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I'm currently using a TF-130 as my primary shaper. I ordered it with a 1-1/4" spindle, with a supplementary router spindle, and a 40mm spindle. The 1-1/4" spindle gets used 97% of the time, the router spindle does get used from time to time, and I ordered the 40mm spindle for larger diameter tenoning tooling. At present, there is not a 3/4" spindle available in the SCM MK5 spindle, not sure abut the T55ES.?
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Regarding electronics, I'm rather skeptical of all of the electronic bells/whistles available on some machines, particularly for hobby users who aren't prepared to replace their machine every 10-15 years, and/or willing to spend thousands of dollars for a new electronics package. I don't remember the exact legislation, but it's my understanding that European manufacturers are required to support a given tool/machine for ten years after the sale. So, even if it's out of warranty, you should at least be able to order parts for ten years. Beyond ten years though, you're at the mercy of how much inventory the manufacturer carried when they stopped ordering parts. And, in the case of electronics, you're at the mercy of whether the manufacturer was using proprietary electronics or not.?
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I use my machines daily in a professional capacity, but since I don't use them intensively enough to wear them out any time soon, I've opted for all mechanical machines whenever possible.?
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I hope this helps,?
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Tom Gensmer
Heritage Home Renewals, LLC
Minneapolis, MN
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I have a 1998 F7 with 39" sliding table.? Pre Covid and pre inflation, I figured it was worth about 4500-5000 with four wheel feeder and three spindles.? 8k still seems a little rich but my experience has been good.? The sliding table is pre X roll but still
very good.? The crosscut fence is not ideal but I made some mods that serve me well .? You do need to pay attention to the 90 degree stop.? Under a heavy cut ( I seldom take two passes ) the fence can move off the stop.
The base is stout enough to support the quill and not hanging it off the cast iron has some benefits.? Yes, the 10 motor makes no sense but that was the Felder promotion back then.? The machine new listed for about 6K.?? The larger motor should have no impact
on bearings.? It is a 90L frame backed with lots of windings so basically a small frame motor.? When it goes, you are toast as most 7.5 hp motors are 100 frame.? My motor and brake have worked flawlessly but I'm not a heavy user.? I've made about 30 passage
and entry doors so the machine has handled some heavy cuts with no problem.? I find the "240" fence a little small but like the small opening that allows the sliding table to sit closer to the spindle.? The downside is that also reduces the diameter of tooling
that can be tilted.
At 5-6K with a feeder and some tooling, I'd take the chance.? 8K is a stretch, but then 15K for new seems high.? I bought a never used SCM T130 sliding shaper for 4K so I'm living in the past on pricing.? I prefer the T130 for long cuts with a feeder as the
fence is better and the quill more stout, but the F7 size is much better as a slider and a really nice single machine that can do it all.? Spindles do show up.? I have a 3/4" but you will find it seldom gets used.? Larger diameter tooling works better and
the router spindle is more useful than the 3/4".
I'd check with Felder if that motor is still available and at what cost.? Rewinding a bad motor will be very expensive due to the difficulty of the small frame so I'm guessing 2K either way.? For that reason, I'm still in the 6K range.
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I have the opportunity to pick up a lightly used, older (1998) 10HP F7 with feeder for likely around $8k including freight
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I'm weighing against a new 10HP F700 or a 10HP SCM Minimax T55ES, which would both run me about $15k with accessories, additional spindles, tax, and freight.
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Any thoughts on these older shapers? I've heard tales from good to bad. Let me list some things I've heard around the 'net:
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* F7 is still a very reliable machine, great for making doors, windows, moulding
* 10HP on the older Felder shapers was overkill for the machine's build and hence takes a toll on bearings
* older Felder electronics are hard to source and repair
* uncertainly if Felder even has parts for these older machines
* I also need to know if spindles are still available. I would need to pick up a 3/4'' spindle to handle my current cutter sets.
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But I wanted to reach out to this group, since you're likely the best to ask.
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Thanks!
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Gary my RL-160 was built in 2004 so there could be some differences with yours. ?The ladder frames that hold the filters do not come out on my machine unless you remove the entire upper unit with the motor and impeller - hence the two access ports. ?You can see both access panels in this photo series: ?
David Best
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:26?PM, Gerry Kmack via groups.io <gerry.kmack@...> wrote:
Imran & David,
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Thanks for the info!
Imran - several years ago you posted about checking the wiper height to be sure that the clean cycle was actually getting into the folds of the filter¡ I checked at that time and sure enough my brushes were barely touching. After readjusting, everything was greatly improved - probably extending the life of my filters by a year or more.?
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I should have guessed that there would be a gasket that needed replacement. I am ordering the stuff that David linked to, as it is .5¡± x ?.75¡±, which seems like it should be a reasonable fit.
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At this point, I have begun disassembling the RL. I removed the outside plate (at the end where the hose is connected), and removed the brushes. The next step SHOULD be simple: removing the brush frame through the end slot. However, because of the way that my RL is installed, I don¡¯t have enough clearance to get the frame out¡ I have an idea, but it involves building a temporary ramp leading out of the closet that the RL is installed in, in order to roll the unit partially out, hopefully providing enough clearance. Ugh.
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David - I read your post about the 3 types of RL160s. Mine was made in 2008, so it should be the same as yours, but you stated that there are 2 cover plates, one on each end of the RL? Did I get that right? Is so I¡¯m confused, because mine has a cover plate at one end (the end that the hose goes in), and nothing - no cover plate - at the far end.
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At the moment, a thunderstorm is rolling in, so I had to roll everything back inside & close up until the storm passes, which might be tomorrow¡?
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Thanks again,
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Gerry Kmack
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Hi Gerry,
I can¡¯t trust my memory and maybe RL160 is different but I don¡¯t recall having to remove the brush frame on RL125 to replace the filter. Or maybe you are doing this for saddique cylinder. I can check my manual in the morning as it includes RL160. As David said, I also have plates on each opposing side.
David¡¯s gasket recommendation is same material as mine, I just used multiple layers of what I had on hand.
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 3:26?PM, Gerry Kmack via groups.io <gerry.kmack@...> wrote: ? Imran & David,
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Thanks for the info!
Imran - several years ago you posted about checking the wiper height to be sure that the clean cycle was actually getting into the folds of the filter¡ I checked at that time and sure enough my brushes were barely touching. After readjusting, everything was greatly improved - probably extending the life of my filters by a year or more.?
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I should have guessed that there would be a gasket that needed replacement. I am ordering the stuff that David linked to, as it is .5¡± x ?.75¡±, which seems like it should be a reasonable fit.
?
At this point, I have begun disassembling the RL. I removed the outside plate (at the end where the hose is connected), and removed the brushes. The next step SHOULD be simple: removing the brush frame through the end slot. However, because of the way that my RL is installed, I don¡¯t have enough clearance to get the frame out¡ I have an idea, but it involves building a temporary ramp leading out of the closet that the RL is installed in, in order to roll the unit partially out, hopefully providing enough clearance. Ugh.
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David - I read your post about the 3 types of RL160s. Mine was made in 2008, so it should be the same as yours, but you stated that there are 2 cover plates, one on each end of the RL? Did I get that right? Is so I¡¯m confused, because mine has a cover plate at one end (the end that the hose goes in), and nothing - no cover plate - at the far end.
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At the moment, a thunderstorm is rolling in, so I had to roll everything back inside & close up until the storm passes, which might be tomorrow¡?
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Thanks again,
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Gerry Kmack
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Thoughts on purchasing older F7 shapers?
I have the opportunity to pick up a lightly used, older (1998) 10HP F7 with feeder for likely around $8k including freight
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I'm weighing against a new 10HP F700 or a 10HP SCM Minimax T55ES, which would both run me about $15k with accessories, additional spindles, tax, and freight.
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Any thoughts on these older shapers? I've heard tales from good to bad. Let me list some things I've heard around the 'net:
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* F7 is still a very reliable machine, great for making doors, windows, moulding
* 10HP on the older Felder shapers was overkill for the machine's build and hence takes a toll on bearings
* older Felder electronics are hard to source and repair
* uncertainly if Felder even has parts for these older machines
* I also need to know if spindles are still available. I would need to pick up a 3/4'' spindle to handle my current cutter sets.
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But I wanted to reach out to this group, since you're likely the best to ask.
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Thanks!
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Re: FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 3:29?PM, hlund via groups.io <hlund1@...> wrote:
? hello ed,
what is your personal email address?
best, h
hlund
312.519.4848
On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:45?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
Thank you. ?I would be happy to get the Egl and distometer which are easy to ¡°pluck out ¡°. ?I¡¯ll pay you good money for them. ? Pls keep me in n mind and posted. ? Good luck. ?Thanks On Sep 21, 2024, at 1:23?PM, hlund via groups.io <hlund1@...> wrote:
? Edwardo, Good talking to you I will keep you in mind. Best, howard
hlund
312.519.4848
On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:15?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
i would love to buy the EGL with extension fence, distometare and some cutters if you want to sell seprately.Please let me know 612 670 1343 ed
First dibs on the Aigner Distometer if you'll sell it separately.?
Dave?
Davies? This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories.. ? Felder KF 700S /03 4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12¡± dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110¡± table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL?digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge Shaper:?variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle 2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory Felder f-38?three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket 100+?carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos?$15,000 +/- Felder feeder?F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17)?$1500.00 FELDER? AF 22 LN,?Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate AD 741 planer / jointer - 16¡± 4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9¡±
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push? Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00) CUTTERS AND BLADES:? More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades. approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle. Ask for photos if you're interested.? ALL: $30,000 <IMG_3189.jpeg><60¡ã glue joint cutter.jpeg><IMG_3187.jpeg><IMG_3191.jpeg><IMG_3190.jpeg><IMG_3201.jpeg><IMG_0008.jpeg><IMG_0009.jpeg><IMG_3192.jpeg><Variable sliding cutters.jpeg><IMG_1099.jpeg><IMG_3197.jpeg><IMG_3199.jpeg><IMG_3163.jpeg><IMG_0710.jpeg><aigner.jpeg><Shaper fence aluminum wings.jpeg><IMG_3168.jpeg><6 tooth sawblade.jpeg><Scoring blade.jpeg><Sliding table extension.jpeg><felder.rip.fence DRO.jpg><Crosscut table option.jpg><Crosscut and table option.png>< tenoning _slotting plate.png><IMG_0707.jpeg><IMG_1062.jpeg><IMG_1064.jpeg><KF 700 .jpeg> FOR REFERENCE: price of new models: KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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Re: FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
hello ed,
what is your personal email address?
best, h
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:45?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
Thank you. ?I would be happy to get the Egl and distometer which are easy to ¡°pluck out ¡°. ?I¡¯ll pay you good money for them. ? Pls keep me in n mind and posted. ? Good luck. ?Thanks On Sep 21, 2024, at 1:23?PM, hlund via groups.io <hlund1@...> wrote:
? Edwardo, Good talking to you I will keep you in mind. Best, howard
hlund
312.519.4848
On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:15?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
i would love to buy the EGL with extension fence, distometare and some cutters if you want to sell seprately.Please let me know 612 670 1343 ed
First dibs on the Aigner Distometer if you'll sell it separately.?
Dave?
Davies? This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories.. ? Felder KF 700S /03 4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12¡± dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110¡± table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL?digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge Shaper:?variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle 2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory Felder f-38?three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket 100+?carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos?$15,000 +/- Felder feeder?F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17)?$1500.00 FELDER? AF 22 LN,?Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate AD 741 planer / jointer - 16¡± 4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9¡±
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push? Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00) CUTTERS AND BLADES:? More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades. approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle. Ask for photos if you're interested.? ALL: $30,000 <IMG_3189.jpeg><60¡ã glue joint cutter.jpeg><IMG_3187.jpeg><IMG_3191.jpeg><IMG_3190.jpeg><IMG_3201.jpeg><IMG_0008.jpeg><IMG_0009.jpeg><IMG_3192.jpeg><Variable sliding cutters.jpeg><IMG_1099.jpeg><IMG_3197.jpeg><IMG_3199.jpeg><IMG_3163.jpeg><IMG_0710.jpeg><aigner.jpeg><Shaper fence aluminum wings.jpeg><IMG_3168.jpeg><6 tooth sawblade.jpeg><Scoring blade.jpeg><Sliding table extension.jpeg><felder.rip.fence DRO.jpg><Crosscut table option.jpg><Crosscut and table option.png>< tenoning _slotting plate.png><IMG_0707.jpeg><IMG_1062.jpeg><IMG_1064.jpeg><KF 700 .jpeg> FOR REFERENCE: price of new models: KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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Imran & David,
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Thanks for the info!
Imran - several years ago you posted about checking the wiper height to be sure that the clean cycle was actually getting into the folds of the filter¡ I checked at that time and sure enough my brushes were barely touching. After readjusting, everything was greatly improved - probably extending the life of my filters by a year or more.?
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I should have guessed that there would be a gasket that needed replacement. I am ordering the stuff that David linked to, as it is .5¡± x ?.75¡±, which seems like it should be a reasonable fit.
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At this point, I have begun disassembling the RL. I removed the outside plate (at the end where the hose is connected), and removed the brushes. The next step SHOULD be simple: removing the brush frame through the end slot. However, because of the way that my RL is installed, I don¡¯t have enough clearance to get the frame out¡ I have an idea, but it involves building a temporary ramp leading out of the closet that the RL is installed in, in order to roll the unit partially out, hopefully providing enough clearance. Ugh.
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David - I read your post about the 3 types of RL160s. Mine was made in 2008, so it should be the same as yours, but you stated that there are 2 cover plates, one on each end of the RL? Did I get that right? Is so I¡¯m confused, because mine has a cover plate at one end (the end that the hose goes in), and nothing - no cover plate - at the far end.
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At the moment, a thunderstorm is rolling in, so I had to roll everything back inside & close up until the storm passes, which might be tomorrow¡?
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Thanks again,
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Gerry Kmack
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Re: FELDER KF 700/S, AD 741, AF22 + cutters + accessories for sale
Thank you. ?I would be happy to get the Egl and distometer which are easy to ¡°pluck out ¡°. ?I¡¯ll pay you good money for them. ? Pls keep me in n mind and posted. ? Good luck. ?Thanks
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On Sep 21, 2024, at 1:23?PM, hlund via groups.io <hlund1@...> wrote:
? Edwardo, Good talking to you I will keep you in mind. Best, howard
hlund
312.519.4848
On Sep 21, 2024, at 12:15?PM, Eduardo Ehrenwald via groups.io <ehrenwald@...> wrote:
i would love to buy the EGL with extension fence, distometare and some cutters if you want to sell seprately.Please let me know 612 670 1343 ed
First dibs on the Aigner Distometer if you'll sell it separately.?
Dave?
Davies? This equipment is from a one-man furniture shop, now retiring. Equipment has had excellent care, very low hours. Many many accessories.. ? Felder KF 700S /03 4.4 KW - 60Hz - 1ph motors
12¡± dia. main blade, 30mm - blade height scale on hand wheel
100 mm scoring blade
Dado/slotting cutter feature
Variable blade speed
Remote on switch at end of sliding table
2800mm /110¡± table travel
Crosscut fence 3200 mm for outrigger table (#166/168+159/160) Outrigger table 1500 mm/60 inches
Precision miter stop feature on outrigger table
outrigger cart / storage rack
parallel rip support w/ gauge stops
780kg./ 1719 lbs.
Factory and aftermarket hold down clamps
Rip shoe accessory
Table extensions
Crosscut accessories for table extensions
Rip guide for table extensions
EGL?digital miter accessory w/ extended fences
4 - locking heavy duty swivel casters
Extended rip fence guide bar allowing 48 inches right of blade with DRO Steel catch table behind extended rip fence
Aigner digital height gauge Shaper:?variable spindle speed: 1500 - 16000rpm Power drive - Digital height control: ht. 115mm Variable speed control
3- 30 mm spindles, one router bit spindle 2- spindle fences: one with EURO bar guides, includes a variety of hold downs. Second fence has aluminum accessory wings, add multi adjustment option
Tenon plate + hold down accessory Felder f-38?three wheel, eight speed reversible feeder with extended horizontal arm and tilt down bracket 100+?carbide shaper cutters, bearing / shims : see photos?$15,000 +/- Felder feeder?F 38, extended horizontal alarm, tilt down mount (430-17)?$1500.00 FELDER? AF 22 LN,?Mobile Dust Extractor 1 x 230 V, 60 Hz. / 4.0 HP (3.0 kW) 1900 CFM
This unit is new still in the crate AD 741 planer / jointer - 16¡± 4.4 KW motor
Digital display of thickness - max 9¡±
DIGI-DRIVE: Electrical height, adjustment and digital display of thickness Preset digital height settings make change over a one button push? Optional output catch table
Optional input extended support table
Rolling carT
BYRD - SHELIX ?carbide insert head - NEW still in the crate: ? ?($1,715.00) CUTTERS AND BLADES:? More than a dozen saw blades from 62 to 102s, including stacking and conical scoring blades. approx. 100 carbide shaper cutters + three quick change spindles, + one router bit spindle. Ask for photos if you're interested.? ALL: $30,000 <IMG_3189.jpeg><60¡ã glue joint cutter.jpeg><IMG_3187.jpeg><IMG_3191.jpeg><IMG_3190.jpeg><IMG_3201.jpeg><IMG_0008.jpeg><IMG_0009.jpeg><IMG_3192.jpeg><Variable sliding cutters.jpeg><IMG_1099.jpeg><IMG_3197.jpeg><IMG_3199.jpeg><IMG_3163.jpeg><IMG_0710.jpeg><aigner.jpeg><Shaper fence aluminum wings.jpeg><IMG_3168.jpeg><6 tooth sawblade.jpeg><Scoring blade.jpeg><Sliding table extension.jpeg><felder.rip.fence DRO.jpg><Crosscut table option.jpg><Crosscut and table option.png>< tenoning _slotting plate.png><IMG_0707.jpeg><IMG_1062.jpeg><IMG_1064.jpeg><KF 700 .jpeg> FOR REFERENCE: price of new models: KF700S - $31,858.00
AD741 - $13,240.00
AF22 - $3,900
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