I have a Powermatic 22-44 and will echo the comments of others.? It works but is definitely not a finish sander, it is slow and tends to load up quickly especially when sanding exotics or getting into a knot.? Changing paper is a pain.? I went with the drum sander because I had the need for thickness sanding and did not have the space or power to run a wide belt.? In retrospect, I wish I had gone with an open end belt sander in the 16" (400mm) width range with the combination head.? I have been burned too many times by purchasing poorly built and underperforming machines so I have little faith in the USA options in this category.? I would like to look at the Houfek Cindy 300 or 400 sanders but they do not have a distributor in the US.
Steve
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I had the Jet oscillating sander and it worked well apart from the keyway which couples the motor to the drum shaft shearing. I would nt get one without the oscillation.
I developed a new technique that I called ’thicknessing by drum sander’ as it turned out to be brilliant for really gnarly wood albeit very…very ?slow
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Than you Imran!
Apparently the oscillating Jet is not available and they have no idea when it might be available?
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I have not seen the Holzmann, but it looks substantially different from the Powermatic-type platform I have. ?Now, my sander (as well as the Powermatic) ?has been in production for at least 25 years in China. ?Powermatic used to make it in Tennessee, but moved production offshore after Powermatic went through one of the leveraged buyouts. ?So, while it has pneumatic controls inside, it does not have variable speed feed. ? I recommend you reach out to?Greg Leneave at Leneave Equipment, mention my name and the Felder ?group, and ask him if he would share with you the name of the Chinese manufacturer that’s making this platform, and if he knows a European source. ?It’s a great sander and has served me well for over 20 years. ?I’ll echo Brians reservations about the drum sander limitations. ?
David Best
DBestWorkshop@...
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On Sep 12, 2024, at 8:43?AM, mariusz_m via groups.io <mariusz_m@...> wrote:
David, I will keep looking, but so far I have not been able to find a local distributor/dealer who might have something similar to yours. The closest I could find here is a belt sander under a Holzmann brand (supposedly Austrian, but I’m positive it is Chinese made) - similar looking, but the first thing I noticed under the specs is that it is oscillating like yours, but it doesn’t have pneumatic belt tensioning. Have you heard or seen this??
It is priced 40% higher than the Laguna / SuperMax, but have no idea if it is worth the price.?
Here is a video:
https://youtu.be/TDQU-xNyWwY?si=jdJzk0yM-6fu_UvW
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As for used, EU has a very decent market. Not sure about voltage differences but I assume you can transport it from a neighboring country.
I have stopped looking so no longer have links but you should be able to find them easily or let me know if this is an option.
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On Sep 12, 2024, at 11:56?AM, Brian Lamb via groups.io <blamb11@...> wrote: ? The smaller wide belts have been around for years... check out the used market?
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 08:54:48 AM MST, mariusz_m via groups.io <mariusz_m@...> wrote:
Brian, I wish I could find the North state here and at the US price- the Jet or SuperMax are actually a bit over $4000 here
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The smaller wide belts have been around for years... check out the used market?
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 08:54:48 AM MST, mariusz_m via groups.io <mariusz_m@...> wrote:
Brian, I wish I could find the North state here and at the US price- the Jet or SuperMax are actually a bit over $4000 here
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Brian, I wish I could find the North state here and at the US price- the Jet or SuperMax are actually a bit over $4000 here
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Mac, the KF is working great and your clamps are phenomenal! Are you done with the Gomad?
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Than you Imran!
Apparently the oscillating Jet is not available and they have no idea when it might be available?
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David, I will keep looking, but so far I have not been able to find a local distributor/dealer who might have something similar to yours. The closest I could find here is a belt sander under a Holzmann brand (supposedly Austrian, but I’m positive it is Chinese made) - similar looking, but the first thing I noticed under the specs is that it is oscillating like yours, but it doesn’t have pneumatic belt tensioning. Have you heard or seen this??
It is priced 40% higher than the Laguna / SuperMax, but have no idea if it is worth the price.?
Here is a video:
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I'm also on the edge of making a change here. I have a supermax single drum, and I've been eyeballing the powermatic dual drum DDS25.? You are leading me rethink this....
That said, I don't think (might be wrong) the drum sanders mentioned on the thread are dual.? Wondering if that is a worthwhile intermediate step.
Mostly in my shop I use it for cutting boards.
-Bob
I have the Performax 22-44 and while it works well enough, if you can find one of the smaller widebelts, go that route. The drum sanders are slow, you can't take more than maybe .015 (.4mm) at a time or it will be inconsistent and you will need spring passes at the end. It works great on tear prone wood and pieces of edge banding to dimension them off the saw. I find the paper a real pain to change, maybe they have upgraded the clamping system on the newer machines, but mine is a chore. Always run one pass to seat/stretch the paper and then re-set the clamping.
Hard knots in the wood will definitely create a burn spot on the paper, IF you are lucky the rubber sanding belt cleaner can remove it, if not, it's time for new paper. It also really sucks for a burn to appear on the last pass....
The Jet (depending on the stand you choose) is roughly $3000 US, the North State is $6900... I'd honestly spend the extra, or find a used machine rather than go for the drum, just my opinion.
On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 08:08:11 AM MST, Mike Blake via <me.blake= [email protected]> wrote:
We have a 19-38 that does a fine job of cleaning up and preparing for final sand.? It’s not a production machine, as it takes several ‘passes’ to achieve final thickness. ( Does a great job on figured maple.) ?We adapted an inexpensive digital readout and it is very accurate.? Paper changes are easy, once you get the hang of it.? We cut our own and use 40,60, and 80 grit. ?
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors
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I have the Performax 22-44 and while it works well enough, if you can find one of the smaller widebelts, go that route. The drum sanders are slow, you can't take more than maybe .015 (.4mm) at a time or it will be inconsistent and you will need spring passes at the end. It works great on tear prone wood and pieces of edge banding to dimension them off the saw. I find the paper a real pain to change, maybe they have upgraded the clamping system on the newer machines, but mine is a chore. Always run one pass to seat/stretch the paper and then re-set the clamping.
Hard knots in the wood will definitely create a burn spot on the paper, IF you are lucky the rubber sanding belt cleaner can remove it, if not, it's time for new paper. It also really sucks for a burn to appear on the last pass....
The Jet (depending on the stand you choose) is roughly $3000 US, the North State is $6900... I'd honestly spend the extra, or find a used machine rather than go for the drum, just my opinion.
Brian Lamb blamb11@... lambtoolworks.com
On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 08:08:11 AM MST, Mike Blake via groups.io <me.blake@...> wrote:
We have a 19-38 that does a fine job of cleaning up and preparing for final sand. ?It’s not a production machine, as it takes several ‘passes’ to achieve final thickness. ( Does a great job on figured maple.) ?We adapted an inexpensive digital readout and it is very accurate. ?Paper changes are easy, once you get the hang of it. ?We cut our own and use 40,60, and 80 grit. ?
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors
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We have a 19-38 that does a fine job of cleaning up and preparing for final sand. ?It’s not a production machine, as it takes several ‘passes’ to achieve final thickness. ( Does a great job on figured maple.) ?We adapted an inexpensive digital readout and it is very accurate. ?Paper changes are easy, once you get the hang of it. ?We cut our own and use 40,60, and 80 grit. ?
Mike
M.E. Blake General Contractors
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How many passes do you typically have to do to release things?
On 9/12/2024 7:31 AM, Brett Wissel via
groups.io wrote:
Echoing John Hinham's votes here. Despite all the
other sanding options, there's a place for the supermax
19-38....it's so good for calibration?dimensioning parts, but
I would?never consider it finish-sanding capable. Ours keeps
80 to 120 grit on it all the time just to get to dimensions
then we finish sand with other machines. One of my favorite
uses is releasing small cut items from the backside of molds
gently. Another is sanding things too thin to trust not to get
damaged with other machines.
On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at
8:04?AM John Hinman via
<jhinman1911= [email protected]>
wrote:
I have the Laguna/SuperMax 1938. I cannot compare it with
the Jet, or with a wide-belt sander as I have not used
either of those.
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I’ve been satisfied with my Laguna. I use it primarily
for light machining, for parts that I cannot run through my
thicknesser. These include very thin pieces, very short
pieces, and glued-up rings when making segmented bowls. The
Laguna works very well for that. I think I ran a small
wooden box through it once to straighten up the top. I’ll
run very dirty boards through the sander also instead of
exposing the jointer or thicknesser cutters to the grit.
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Mine came with an enclosed cabinet and wheels. I added a
Wixey DRO made specifically for the Laguna. Thickness
control and thickness consistency is very good.
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Dust control is excellent.
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The Klingspor “cut-to-fit” rolls fit and perform just as
well as the one that came with the machine. It does take
some care to install a roll, but it does not take long. The
roll must be snug on the drum, or you’ll wreck the sandpaper
and gouge the workpiece. I often turn the machine on for a
moment, then off and check the sandpaper to be sure it is
still snug.
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You will want to get one of the rubber sandpaper cleaner
blocks.
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I’ve tried running a very wide panel through the machine
only once, where the piece is wider than the 19” capacity. I
seem to recall that the thickness transition between passes
was not bad but not perfect either.
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The machine does not produce a surface ready to finish,
even with 220 grit rolls. It will be flat, with no snipe,
but not quite ready to finish.
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John Hinman
Boise ID USA
K700S and A941
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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Hello everyone,
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I've seen enough interest and overlap in 3D printing here that I figured I'd post this.
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Selling my Formlabs Form 3 SLA printer. The machine has low hours and is in excellent shape. I? bought this in 2020 and used it for a number of projects, but I don't really use a 3D printer as much as I used to. It has sat unused for the last 18 months and I would like to clear up the space. I booted it up to check the systems, and everything works as it should.
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Sale includes the following items:
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Formlabs Form 3 (original price $3150)
Build platform QTY 3 ($99 value each) 2 used one brand new
Resin tank QTY 2 ($99 value each) both brand new
Form Cure for post print UV curing ($699 value) excellent condition
1 Litre Elastic Resin 50A hardness ($149 value) New, unopened. Feb 2026 expiry
Print removal tool
Feet levelers
Total value: $4500+ ~$400 tax and shipping
Asking $3000 OBO + shipping from 11206
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The Formlabs software (Windows or Mac) is robust, free, and intuitive to use. Plus they have a very active and helpful forum and online database. If you've ever printed with an SLA printer you will know that it has the finest resolution for any printer on the market, able to achieve the most minute details.
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I also have all of the original packaging for shipping, so it will get packed and shipped properly.
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Thank you,
Steve
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Echoing John Hinham's votes here. Despite all the other sanding options, there's a place for the supermax 19-38....it's so good for calibration?dimensioning parts, but I would?never consider it finish-sanding capable. Ours keeps 80 to 120 grit on it all the time just to get to dimensions then we finish sand with other machines. One of my favorite uses is releasing small cut items from the backside of molds gently. Another is sanding things too thin to trust not to get damaged with other machines.  
On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 8:04?AM John Hinman via <jhinman1911= [email protected]> wrote: I have the Laguna/SuperMax 1938. I cannot compare it with the Jet, or with a wide-belt sander as I have not used either of those.
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I’ve been satisfied with my Laguna. I use it primarily for light machining, for parts that I cannot run through my thicknesser. These include very thin pieces, very short pieces, and glued-up rings when making segmented bowls. The Laguna works very well for that. I think I ran a small wooden box through it once to straighten up the top. I’ll run very dirty boards through the sander also instead of exposing the jointer or thicknesser cutters to the grit.
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Mine came with an enclosed cabinet and wheels. I added a Wixey DRO made specifically for the Laguna. Thickness control and thickness consistency is very good.
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Dust control is excellent.
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The Klingspor “cut-to-fit” rolls fit and perform just as well as the one that came with the machine. It does take some care to install a roll, but it does not take long. The roll must be snug on the drum, or you’ll wreck the sandpaper and gouge the workpiece. I often turn the machine on for a moment, then off and check the sandpaper to be sure it is still snug.
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You will want to get one of the rubber sandpaper cleaner blocks.
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I’ve tried running a very wide panel through the machine only once, where the piece is wider than the 19” capacity. I seem to recall that the thickness transition between passes was not bad but not perfect either.
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The machine does not produce a surface ready to finish, even with 220 grit rolls. It will be flat, with no snipe, but not quite ready to finish.
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John Hinman
Boise ID USA
K700S and A941
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I have the Laguna/SuperMax 1938. I cannot compare it with the Jet, or with a wide-belt sander as I have not used either of those.
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I’ve been satisfied with my Laguna. I use it primarily for light machining, for parts that I cannot run through my thicknesser. These include very thin pieces, very short pieces, and glued-up rings when making segmented bowls. The Laguna works very well for that. I think I ran a small wooden box through it once to straighten up the top. I’ll run very dirty boards through the sander also instead of exposing the jointer or thicknesser cutters to the grit.
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Mine came with an enclosed cabinet and wheels. I added a Wixey DRO made specifically for the Laguna. Thickness control and thickness consistency is very good.
?
Dust control is excellent.
?
The Klingspor “cut-to-fit” rolls fit and perform just as well as the one that came with the machine. It does take some care to install a roll, but it does not take long. The roll must be snug on the drum, or you’ll wreck the sandpaper and gouge the workpiece. I often turn the machine on for a moment, then off and check the sandpaper to be sure it is still snug.
?
You will want to get one of the rubber sandpaper cleaner blocks.
?
I’ve tried running a very wide panel through the machine only once, where the piece is wider than the 19” capacity. I seem to recall that the thickness transition between passes was not bad but not perfect either.
?
The machine does not produce a surface ready to finish, even with 220 grit rolls. It will be flat, with no snipe, but not quite ready to finish.
--
John Hinman
Boise ID USA
K700S and A941
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That open-side widebelt is what I have and it’s been great. ?It’s made in China, I have no idea how you’d buy it in Poland, but here in the USA, the same machine is sold under the North State brand by Leneave Woodworking Machinery in NC. ?It’s the same machine as the Powermatic, made in the same factory, and with a lower price:
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David P. Best
imran