Wade, he did it right in front of me. Instead of measuring the ends of the last cut piece he simply cut it in two and paced the two ends side by side. He kept at it as long as we could feel a difference between the two ends.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Hey John,
Congratulations! ?Just curious did the tech do the five cut method and show you the results? ?
Wade
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On Mar 3, 2022, at 5:33 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
?It is here, assembled and commissioned! I asked my neighbor if he had experience operating a skid-steer. It turned out that he was not only experienced but had a couple to choose from. He picked it off the trailer, took it up my back yard, and put it on my patio. We used his loader to take the machine off the pallet. Felder commissioned it. Now I need to figure out where to put everything else, and learn to use the machine. I truly appreciate the willingness of FOG members to answer my questions!     -- John Hinman Boise ID K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Looks great, now the fun begins!
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It is here, assembled and commissioned!
I asked my neighbor if he had experience operating a skid-steer. It turned out that he was not only experienced but had a couple to choose from. He picked it off the trailer, took it up my back yard, and put it on my patio. We used his loader to take the machine off the pallet.
Felder commissioned it. Now I need to figure out where to put everything else, and learn to use the machine.
I truly appreciate the willingness of FOG members to answer my questions!
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John Hinman
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Congrats, it looks great.? Steve Lyde
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On Mar 3, 2022, at 7:33 PM, John Hinman <jhinman1911@...> wrote:
?It is here, assembled and commissioned! I asked my neighbor if he had experience operating a skid-steer. It turned out that he was not only experienced but had a couple to choose from. He picked it off the trailer, took it up my back yard, and put it on my patio. We used his loader to take the machine off the pallet. Felder commissioned it. Now I need to figure out where to put everything else, and learn to use the machine. I truly appreciate the willingness of FOG members to answer my questions!     -- John Hinman Boise ID K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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It is here, assembled and commissioned! I asked my neighbor if he had experience operating a skid-steer. It turned out that he was not only experienced but had a couple to choose from. He picked it off the trailer, took it up my back yard, and put it on my patio. We used his loader to take the machine off the pallet. Felder commissioned it. Now I need to figure out where to put everything else, and learn to use the machine. I truly appreciate the willingness of FOG members to answer my questions!     -- John Hinman Boise ID K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Re: Source for rift white oak edge banding
SR Wood is the manufacturer you need. Blinding amount of options. My local distributor is Wood Stock Supply in Rapid City, SD. Give them a call. You'll talk to a real person, and I believe they were able to special order a double-thickness version of rift white oak edge banding for me about 3 years ago. Good company, decent price, and SR Wood's quality is top notch. You just need a distributor to get your hands on it.??
BTW: the way they manufacture the thicker real-wood edge banding is not to cut it extra thick, but simply double-layer to build up thickness. May be easier to roll up and ship that way(?)
877-621-6900
jeff
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Re: Source for rift white oak edge banding
Anthony,
If that¡¯s the case, that¡¯s a real bummer! ?They were great! ?
Wade
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On Mar 2, 2022, at 7:12 PM, Anthony Quesada <tonymiga2@...> wrote:
? Thank you Wade,?
I have reached out to the seller, it appears they no longer have any store front or stock, but am awaiting a response. ?Thanks again for the lead.
Anthony?
I¡¯ve been buying all of my edge banding, for years, from a supplier down in Florida. ?Their on EBay, here¡¯s their eBay address
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On Mar 2, 2022, at 5:45 AM, Anthony Quesada <tonymiga2@...> wrote:
?Good morning,? Wondering if the vast experience and knowledge here can point me to a source for good quality wood edge banding rolls.? Ideal specs:
- 1-2mm thickness range
- min 7/8" width?
- Rift sawn?
- Solid wood ideal- this will be applied with a conturo so no need for pre glued.
Tried Atlantic Plywoods and other local dealers and can't get a decent roll.? here are a few links i have found, but not sure on quality Less desirable as fleece backed thanks so much,? Anthony?
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Re: Source for rift white oak edge banding
Thank you Wade,?
I have reached out to the seller, it appears they no longer have any store front or stock, but am awaiting a response. ?Thanks again for the lead.
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I¡¯ve been buying all of my edge banding, for years, from a supplier down in Florida. ?Their on EBay, here¡¯s their eBay address
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On Mar 2, 2022, at 5:45 AM, Anthony Quesada <tonymiga2@...> wrote:
?Good morning,? Wondering if the vast experience and knowledge here can point me to a source for good quality wood edge banding rolls.? Ideal specs:
- 1-2mm thickness range
- min 7/8" width?
- Rift sawn?
- Solid wood ideal- this will be applied with a conturo so no need for pre glued.
Tried Atlantic Plywoods and other local dealers and can't get a decent roll.? here are a few links i have found, but not sure on quality Less desirable as fleece backed thanks so much,? Anthony?
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Re: Motor rating vs circuit size
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 02:09 PM, david@... wrote:
Sang Luu¡¯s first reply to your query is what makes the most common sense.
Yes!? ?You need not read further than Sang's first reply (but if you did read more, you should the corrections to the other replies? ;-)?
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Re: Has anyone received a new Format 4 machine with the new touchpad?
It's not a bad idea!
I visited their factory in Tirol and it was *the best* grown up activity I've done in recent years. Super inspiring to see all their big machines and more interestingly how our machines come to life. It makes you believe (perhaps falsely) that you, too, can make such things...we can and should dream right?
Compared to the Martin WWII tank factory, the Felder production facility is breathtakingly modern. But my guess is that Felder's engineering NIH attitudes would drive you bonkers. They have a proven track record of disinterest in input from the user community. David Best
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Re: Has anyone received a new Format 4 machine with the new touchpad?
It's not a bad idea!
I visited their factory in Tirol and it was *the best* grown up activity I've done in recent years. Super inspiring to see all their big machines and more interestingly how our machines come to life. It makes you believe (perhaps falsely) that you, too, can make such things...we can and should dream right??
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Re: Has anyone received a new Format 4 machine with the new touchpad?
Maybe you should start working for Felder!
Looks super cool..
PK
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Re: Has anyone received a new Format 4 machine with the new touchpad?
I'm jelly!? Working on on a poor man's retrofit for my saw, with just a small set of functionality. We'll see how it goes!? 
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Re: Motor rating vs circuit size
> would be the Felder tech getting here to prow morning and telling me he won¡¯t touch?my machine if I cannot plug it in to a 30-amp circuit. How would the tech even know?? ?Is it not already connected to power?? And how?is it connected?? Did it come with a plug?? Did you attach a plug?? Are you hard-wiring into a junction box?? ?
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Felder service typically calls before coming out to commission the machine and asks questions about the electrical service. ?Often they ask for voltage readings, etc. ?John, Sang Luu¡¯s first reply to your query is what makes the most common sense. ?However, I recommend you call Felder service and get their input on their absolute requirements.
David Best
https://www.instagram.com/davidpbest/
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Re: Motor rating vs circuit size
> would be the Felder tech getting here to prow morning and telling me he won¡¯t touch?my machine if I cannot plug it in to a 30-amp circuit.
How would the tech even know?? ?Is it not already connected to power?? And how?is it connected?? Did it come with a plug?? Did you attach a plug?? Are you hard-wiring into a junction box?? ?
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Re: Motor rating vs circuit size
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 10:43 AM, Mark Kessler wrote > ·É´Ç³Ü±ô»å²Ô¡¯³Ù we want to know what the motor protection is as well? No.? A circuit breaker's only function is to protect the wires from the breaker to the device (here, a table saw.)? The circuit breaker has no role whatsoever in protecting the saw, its motor(s), its control systems, its accessories, etc.? Protection of the machine's own components must be designed into the machine itself.? This is a very widely misunderstood fact. > ³¦´Ç³Ü±ô»å²Ô¡¯³Ù we want to know what the motor protection is as well?
I can't say what you "could want" to know ;-).? But you don't need to know and it won't help you in any way, other than perhaps satisfying curiosity.? When you buy a machine -- note that you are not buying a motor, or a collection of electrical components; you are buying an integrated machine with a cord/plug, like a toaster! -- you assume the machine itself complies with relevant codes and standards, and when you buy an top-tier machine, you also expect it does so with high rigor and quality.?
Your only job is just to bring sufficient electrons to it.? ?And note that if your machine asks for more electrons than your circuit provides, your breaker trips.? Your shop does not burn down.? Your machine is not hurt.? ?The harm from an undersized circuit is you'll be annoyed by trips.
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Re: Motor rating vs circuit size
Mark, I went back and read the post and your right I didn't answer the question.
If that was a dedicated 20A circuit he could most likely get away with using it.
I would run a separate dedicated circuit just to be on the safe side?
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Re: Motor rating vs circuit size
I doubt your tech will care.? When it's all said and done, as has
been noted:
- the breaker protects the wiring
- the saw will attempt to run on any wiring you give it, whether
sized correctly or not
Worst case:? the breaker trips because the saw's draw is more
than the breaker wants to allow.
On 3/2/2022 11:12 AM, John Hinman
wrote:
I did not mean to poke a hornet¡¯s nest here! The discussion has
been most interesting, though.
The NEC is really complicated. My background is the AASHTO Bridge
code and the structural portions of the Uniform Building Code, so
I will rely on my favorite electrician for advice and
recommendations regarding electrical issues. Unfortunately he is
at Disneyland with his kids this week, so it will be two weeks
before I can get answers.
When I do get his interpretation I will post it here for your
reading pleasure.
Probably the worst case scenario for me in the short term would be
the Felder tech getting here to prow morning and telling me he
won¡¯t touch my machine if I cannot plug it in to a 30-amp circuit.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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Re: Motor rating vs circuit size
I did not mean to poke a hornet¡¯s nest here! The discussion has been most interesting, though.
The NEC is really complicated. My background is the AASHTO Bridge code and the structural portions of the Uniform Building Code, so I will rely on my favorite electrician for advice and recommendations regarding electrical issues. Unfortunately he is at Disneyland with his kids this week, so it will be two weeks before I can get answers.
When I do get his interpretation I will post it here for your reading pleasure.
Probably the worst case scenario for me in the short term would be the Felder tech getting here to prow morning and telling me he won¡¯t touch my machine if I cannot plug it in to a 30-amp circuit.
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John Hinman
Boise ID
K700S, and expecting an A941 in April 2022
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Re: Motor rating vs circuit size
Bill, at risk of being annoyingly repetitive, I would again note that you're not addressing the poster's question.? ?You are providing perfectly good advice for someone who is planning to install a new circuit, but that was not the question.??
Everyone here agrees, if installing new circuits, use those rules of thumb, which yield 30 amp (or maybe go larger, looking ahead at growth)
But to poster's actual question, I say don't waste your time and money replacing the existing 20amp circuit.
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David P. Best
Sang Luu
PK