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Re: 3-ph current draw results


Geoff Shepherd
 

Charlie,

I think I left out a bit of info... my two-pole quick-disconnect supplies
single-phase power both to the converter as well as contributes two hot legs
to the machines. The third leg comes from the converter and joins the
original two hot legs. Shutting off the QD cuts all power to the converter
and machines simultaneously (no chance of single phase going to the machines
unless the converter failed). In other words, as I was measuring at the
quick-disconnect, I was measuring the combined load of the phase converter
and the powered machine(s). Check out John Renzetti's three-phase wiring
diagram in the group Vault, it's what I have done for now:

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0Reviews/Technical%20Information/3-Phase%20Wiring%20Diagram%20-%20J%20Renzet
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(yow, that's long... you might have to cut'n'paste if it doesn't work)

At some point, I may do a fancier set up with a three-phase load center so I
can do the automatic dust collector thing.

So, last night I got my second receptacle installed and measured the
combined load of the phase converter, AF-22LN, and BF6-31. That came out to
about 10.5A at the quick-disconnect. I imagine it should be a bit more when
the BF6-31 is doing some actual work such as planing 12" wide stock (I'll
take that measurement too, just for completeness).

I think John's phase converter (same model I have) is cooler running than
mine - it uses only a couple amps at idle. Since mine uses about four amps
at idle, it does act as a small room heater - can't complain this time of
year. The future in phase conversion will probably be these microprocessor
controlled inverting-type systems I keep hearing about. Didn't someone on
this list retrofit a BF7-41 with one of these? I wonder how the efficiency
and cost/benefit ratio is...

..Geoff

----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Norton <cnorton@...>
To: <felder-woodworking@...>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 8:16 AM
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: 3-ph current draw results


The 7.0A you measured was the current flowing to the phase converter after
the split between the machine and the converter itself, so this is the
amount of current required to generate the third phase. When you measure
the three phase currents out, you will probably see the difference between
the 7A and the 4.2A idle. I am always surprised at how much power the
converter takes at idle.

I would be curious to see how much current is flowing into each of the 3
phase legs. I wonder if the generated phase current is much different
than
the other two.

Has anyone ever looked at the currents out of the phase converter with a
current probe and an o-scope? Do they maintain anywhere near a 120 degree
phasing between the three phases? Is the phasing dependant on load?
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Shepherd <geoff@...>
To: felder-woodworking@... <felder-woodworking@...>
Date: Sunday, February 20, 2000 10:23 PM
Subject: [felder-woodworking] 3-ph current draw results


Hi all,

Mainly out of curiosity, today I purchased a basic digital clamp-around
AC
ammeter ($60 Sperry DSA-400) to check the current draw on my Kay
Phasemaster
and Felder machines.

The Phasmaster MA-1's original factory test results from two years ago
show
it should draw at idle 4.6A at 242VAC. My measurements show about 4.2A at
245VAC. Although this meter doesn't have a peak hold function, start up
surge looked to be around 50A over several tests, but I don't know how
accurate it could be in measuring these very brief surges.

Since I only have only one twist-lock receptacle installed at the moment,
I
can only test each machine running by itself. Here are those results as
measured on the single-phase supply to the phase converter:

AF-22 LN 3kW/3ph (3m of 120mm hose connected to saw, 3m of 80mm hose
connected to shaper, and a used but freshly cleaned pleated poly drum
filter):
Starting peak: ~50A
Full power: 7.0A (8A with 120mm hose removed)

BF6-31 2.2kW/3ph (table saw mode w/12" stock blade):
Braking self-test: 4.9A
Starting peak: ~40A
Idling: 4.5A

Remember - these results are with both the subject machine and the phase
converter running. I'm not sure if I should just subtract out the phase
converter idle current to get real values, or if it is more complex than
that.

When I get the second twist-lock recptacle installed, I'll check the
3-phase
voltage balance under load and 1-phase current draw with both the BF6-31
and
the AF-22 LN running simultaneously.

The single-phase amp measurements were taken on each of the two hot legs
inside my 30A quick disconnect to the phase converter. Curiously, there
was
a consistent difference about about 0.2A between the two hot lines. I'm
not
sure what would cause that, but maybe it has to do with the snap-clamp
transformer being proximity sensitive to the metal cabinet, or just the
results of not buying a more expensive meter. In any case, I took the two
measurements and calculated an average.

If I did this incorrectly, please somebody let me know. I'm also not sure
how I should measure the current draw on the 3-phase side. Do I measure
one
leg, two legs, or all three and add/average the results? Not sure...

..Geoff



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