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Re: Mirka Ceros the whole kit


 

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I didn¡¯t care for the non-integrated hose/cord as others have mentioned so my wife made me a sleeve from scrap material.? I posted it on the festool owners group

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From: felder-woodworking@... [mailto:felder-woodworking@...]
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:31 AM
To: FOG
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Mirka Ceros the whole kit

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Lance, I got 2 of the Festool Pro 5 sanders when they first came out and have used one of them on various projects. The first test was taking a rough sawn board cutoff about 20" long and 10" wide to a 4000 grit polish. The process started with 60 grit and worked up to 4000 grit. Now some would big deal that have no previous knowledge of Festool sanders. In this instance the original ETS 125 was a terrible sander that you could actually stall with heavier grits, it was strictly a fine finish sander. The new Pro5 is very difficult to stall. The brushless line of 5" and 6" ETS EC that came out a couple of years ago are low profile. lightweight extremely powerful sanders that if you ever have the chance might be worth looking into. I was actually considering the Deros before I got Festool ETS EC 150/5 and that's when dealer/friend suggested it was better to stick with Festool. He sells both so the sale was his either way. They were basically the same price and his exact words were, if you really want to go with Mirka, buy 2, then you will have one to use when the other is being repaired. Since that time I have talked to others that I deal with and basically got the same response, with both guys telling me that they check every unit before they send it out because one in four doesn't even work, brand new. They have the sanders, don't promote them because of the issues but wants the Mirka sand paper business.

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As far as Festool goes not all the tools are a cut above, especially for the amount they cost, the Kapex being one of the most overpriced units on the planet with a far amount of issues. The early Carvex jigsaws were terrible and some of the drills not so good. The integrated system approach is hard to beat with many others trying to catchup. The main issue I see being a longtime Festool user is people comparing the latest and greatest tools from their favourite manufacturer whether it Makita, Dewalt or Bosch to something that has been part of Festool for a very longtime. The list of accessories that Festool makes for their tools is unmatched with crossover use very handy. The vac setups and accessories are second to none IMHO which include a boom arm and workstation attachment. Lots of room in this discussion for the Festool haters to jump in but if you haven't tried them you really can't discuss them. I too at one time thought they were overpriced for what you got and many of them still are and getting worse every year.

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John

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On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:30 PM, Lance Clifford offaces@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:

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John,

I've used a Festo track saw since the early 90's and love the tool.... best non-saw-guard ever with the saw body retracting up above the table..., bought the top Festool Jig saw (very unimpressed) in 2015 when doing a job on the road because the new Bosche wasn't available locally, but have yet to use a Festool sander. You, Brian and many others on the forum speak highly of them, and I've had a Pro 5 LTD ETS 125 on order since paying the Tool Nut $99 last Oct. 7th.

I would agree that the Makita and Dewalt sanders aren't in the same league as the Festool, Mirka and perhaps other higher end tools, and the integrated vacuum hose/cords both Mirka and Festool came out with are clever and especially handy if one stays with the respective tool lines..., eapecially so in a shop where the sanding tasks are consistent.

But a current project had challenges where no single sander line was the best choice. Along with "traditional" sanding tasks, on this project the 1/2" exterior wood bevel siding needed serious prep for paint on a 1925 Bungalow. I've known pro painters have preferred the Makita GV5000 (now replaced by the slightly more powerful GV5010) sanders mated to the 5" 3M Coating Removal Discs, which are 5/8" or so thick and so agressively sand both face and bottom edge of the siding course above simultaneously. Very handy and time saving. Because the GV5000's have no provision for dust collection, I drilled out the M8-1.25 threads and tapped them 5/16-24 to adapt the Mirka hook and loop pads on both of mine, using a leftover thin pocket door wrench to tighten to shaft, then bought and installed the very clever retrofit dust collection shields from Paintshaver, which surround the disc with a circular wall of brushes and do a fair job of capturing dust when connected to the Makita VC4710 vacuum. To my knowledge, no other sander would collect dust better when using the 3M CD pads than what was used here, but I'm open to learning otherwise.

Paintshaver also makes a clever device which works like a plane but which has rotary carbide blades. Too rich for my blood, so I bought the comparable Metabo LF 724S for about half the price. Depth of cut is adjustable and tool is great for first pass of paint prep on challenging surfaces.

The Mirka Deros follows the 3M CRD treatment and works great feathering edges while erasing marks left from the more aggressive tools. Corners, tight spots and trim edges are finshed off using the Fein multimaster sander.

ALL of these tools connect to the VC4710 for dust collection. Neither the Festool nor the Mirka hoses with integrated cord would have helped in adapting all of these devices. With the knowledge I process, I thought each of these tools, from various manufacturers and with some adaptation best served challenges we faced in this applicaction.

Best,

Lance

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From: John jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...>;
To: FOG <felder-woodworking@...>;
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Mirka Ceros the whole kit
Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2017 12:31:05 AM

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Unfortunately in my world Makita and Dewalt aren't even a consideration for sanders. I use alot of Makita but won't own Dewalt for love nor money.? I've been using Festool sanders for 9 years now without issue and currently have 6 I use regularly. I ?tried many including Mirka and Bosch. Taking the Mirka warning or don't I really don't care but when 3 different dealers I ?know tell me the same thing I have a tendency to take their advice.?

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From: "ianparkesy@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...>
Date: 2017-02-05 7:04 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Mirka Ceros the whole kit

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mirka deros is great , mine works hard every day and is 2 years old now . so much lighter and easier to use than anything else out there . I had 2 makita random orbit before , they lasted well but were too heavy for anything but flat sanding on the bench . as for festool i can not see the value your just paying for the name as far as i can see. have had a few festool tools but dewalt and makita was better?



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