On Jan 23, 2017, at 9:20 PM, GLEN chris3645@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:

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Hi John
Ok this is something I did not think about. I am getting a Profil Z X motion. I am getting the understanding about setting the cutterheads and programing them in the data base but I really did not think about the spindle shaper. I figured if I just bottom out the router bit in the spindle I could program those as well. Now thinking about it not knowing what the chuck depth is that I might not be able to bottom out the bit which by my thinking make the tooling memory of the machine totally useless.

Am I on track here?
Glen
And I will never say it enough, thank you and all for my learning curve ?

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From: John Kee jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...>
To: FOG <felder-woodworking@...>
Sent: Mon, Jan 23, 2017 4:11 am
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] FD250

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Problem with using router bits in a shaper is the aggravation of setup. The truth is you could probably buy a dedicated router table setup for the price of the router spindle. This of course is if you have the room for another piece of equipment.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 1:46 AM, GLEN chris3645@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:

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Well I dont have my shaper yet but I bit the bullet and just got all three, not because iI need them but because of frustration when I cant buy a cutter head because I don't have the right spindle
This is how I understand it..... but I don't know anything yet
30 mill is a standard EURO cutter
1.25 mil is a standard US cutter
Spindle shaper I can use simple 1/2 inch router cutters for small tasks as a round over

Again I dont know what I m talking about but we will find out when my machine arrives

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From: patrick walsh pwalsh651@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
To: felder-woodworking <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2017 7:30 am
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] FD250

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I had thought about end mill bits.

I also noticed the rangate cutters.

Also Mac i looked into the cutter you suggested. It looks to me to be a quality?square chisel mortising bit. I am?pretty sure i need a specific chuck to use such a cutter on my FD250.

I originaly started purchasing most of my machines for hobby use with the hopes that beung a finish carpenter " i would use them if i had them" to make a living. This has increasingly become?my experience. Kinda a "if you build it they will come" mentality.

Point is as the work requires i keep crossing bridges and or running into impasses and or finding new useses and applications for my equiptment. Point in mentioning is as im sure we all know it can at times be very costly. As of late i have been using my shaper a ton. As Mac suggested in my dust collector thread sometimes its one step forward three steps back.At The ?moment it sure feels that way.

With this current project i can get the client to assume at least half the cost of tooling if not the full cost. I do need to resonible though hence a end mill bit maybe being a better solution for me than a a square mortise bit as then i also need a pricey chuck. I can charge the bit to the customer but the chuck would be difficult.

Im having the same problme with shaper tooling. I only have a 30mm spindle. I keep running into instances where i need a specific cutter like tomorrow. Everything ends up being 1.25 that can be had in days as apposed to weeks. The end result is shims. Inthe short long term i just need to piny up the $500 for a 1.25 spindle.?

The only problem is it is really never ending. After the 1.25 spindle i could use high speed router spindle. After that another shaper as having only one is a pita!

As much as i love tools "and i do" it can become quite stressful how much all?this stuff cost.

Sorry for the rant just offering some perspective on the situatuion. Really for the moment i just need the least expensive solution to getting?my machine to cut a straight clean mortise so i can get this dam?kitchen built.?

Long term my shop can use many many additional tools assesories and upgrades.

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On Sunday, January 22, 2017, andy.giddings@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Think Mac is spot on based on my experience with the Mortise Attachment. I assumed that the Westccot chuck would be concentric to the spindle, but its very sensitive to the 3 grub screws that lock it onto the spindle (don't know if the FD250 has the same locking method). If the fixture is the same, its very important to adjust the screws evenly while using an accurate bar or dowel in the chuck with a height/dial gauge.

Once I had that sorted out, the birdsmouth cutters performed better. I also found that the Felder cutters were not that sharp - the Rangate cutters are far better out of the box. You might also want to try end mills or two fluted router bits - cut a lot quicker and just as smoothly even with the lower speed compared to a router

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