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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection

 

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Here are some clarifications.

The KF500 utilizes the X-Roll sliding table, so the bolt-on items (outrigger tables, crosscut fences, butt-bar, edging shoe, clamps, etc) that apply to the KF700 also apply to the KF500.

According to current published specs, the following applies wrt the 500-series:

The longest sliding table available for the KF500 is 2050mm (81”)- if you need a longer slider, the KF700 is the right choice.?
The KF500 standard machine does not come with an outrigger table and the crosscut fence supplied is the 1300mm version, but it attaches to the sliding table using the same components as the 1100mm short crosscut fence and thus as the same 90° registration challenges. ?The standard machine can be upgraded with the same outrigger tables and fences discussed below

The KF500 Professional comes standard with the 1100 outrigger table and the 1300mm crosscut fence as above, but the fence mounts to the 1100 outrigger table which does have a reliable 90° end-stop as shown below:
1100 outrigger.jpeg

Either the standard or Professional KF500 can be configured with the 1300 outrigger table as an option provided the slider is at least 1300mm long. ?The 1300 outrigger table gives you the ability to add miter indexing, has a roller at the end for stock handling assistance, and has a more refined locking and 90° registration stop, but is heavier. ?The 1500 outrigger table is not available as an option on the KF500 since the outrigger support arm is too short to support the extra 200mm length of the 1500 outrigger table.

There is an option to extend the 1300mm crosscut fence with a telescoping extension, or you can configure the machine with the 2600mm crosscut fence which will adapt correctly to either the 1100 or 1300 outrigger. ?With the 1300 fence on the 1100 outrigger table, you can still crosscut to the center of a 4x8 panel even if the machine is limited to the 800mm rip fence size - saving you a lot of space in the shop. So, if you equip the machine with an outrigger table, there should be no need to buy the wider 1250mm chassis version since you can move your indexed cutting to the left of the blade.

The outrigger mobility cart is intended for use with the 1300 and 1500 outrigger tables, and may or may not adapt to the 1100 outrigger table - you’d have to ask Felder at least twice to get an accurate confirmation on this. ?Assuming the outrigger mobility cart does not work with the 1100 outrigger table, then you would need to man-handle the outrigger table on/off the machine as a unit, most likely removing the crosscut fence first and storing that separately. ?With the 1300 outrigger table and the mobility cart, you can leave the crosscut fence attached to the outrigger and wheel the two away together as a unit.

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On Mar 25, 2025, at 9:14?PM, Aaron Inami via groups.io <ainami@...> wrote:

Hi Stan,
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As a reference, here is a picture of what my K700S unit looks like in my garage (which is exactly 20 x 20).? I have the 1500 outrigger and the full size 1250mm rip area.? The machine is 19" away from the wall to allow for other machinery and still gives me 4 feet of space on the right side of the blade for plywood sheets and other material (it's really important that you plan out how much space you will have to work with while other machinery and stuff sitting next to it).? You can see the center-line groove in the garage (that's the 10 foot mark).
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Theoretically, I could move the saw about 5" closer to the wall and put on the 1300 outrigger (and still have 4 feet on the right side of the blade).?? At that point, the edge of the outrigger would be EXACTLY at the center-line groove.? You could get a car into the garage at that point, but it's VERY close.? I could have chosen the smaller 800mm rip area and saved another 19", but that only leaves you 2-1/2 feet on the right side of the blade.? If you can live with 2-1/2 feet on the right, this might be the configuration for you.?? Keep in mind that you still need space on the right side even if you don't rip.? For example, cutting down long boards (such as a 1" x 3" that is 8 feet long).? If your required cut size is 45", you are completely out of luck on the smaller 800mm rip area (which is only 31-1/2").
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You mentioned that you could remove the outrigger when you're not using it, but this is something that you DO NOT want to do all the time.? It's extremely heavy and a pain in the @$$ to get on and off.? I guess you could get the mobility cart, but it is a little time consuming (then you have to store the mobility cart somewhere).? However, the crosscut fence is easy to remove and store whenever you want.? I have the Lamb Toolworks cross-cut DRO on my unit.?? Like Netanel mentioned, if you get the Felder cross-cut DRO, you are also getting the Format4 cross-cut fence, which is beefier and heavier and longer (extends out to 126" or 10 feet).
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Here's what a 9 foot (2800mm) sliding table looks like in a 20x20 garage with 18" deep shelf storage on the back wall.? There's just enough space for me to squeeze around the end of the table when it's pulled all the way back.? In my configuration, I can actually make 5 foot long cuts without having to open the garage door (which can be beneficial on hot summer days).? I just open the garage if I need to make a longer cut.? A 10 foot slider would have just been a bit too much.
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On the "pulled back" photo above, I circled in yellow the stop-point for the cross-cut fence.? This is standard on the 1500 (and should be on the 1300, because I know both of these also have the roller on the edge for heavy material).?? This is what allows you to quickly put the cross-cut fence back "square to the blade" when you move it for an angle cut or take it off the table.
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I have no idea if the 1100 outrigger supports this kind of thing.?? I do know the 1100 does NOT have the roller on the edge for easier loading of material.? I also cannot find any pictures of the 1100 outrigger, lol.
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I have definitely read many times on this forum that the short 1100 crosscut fence has problems with keeping square to the blade.?? This means that you'll have to manually re-align/calibrate the fence to be 90 perfectly square EVERY TIME you remove it or shift it around.??
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I know that any fence on the K700 series works fine (except for the 1100).? The lower K500 series has a 1300mm fence available and also the 1100 outrigger. ? Does anyone know if the 1300 fence also has squaring problems? ? Or is it just the 1100 fence??
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-Aaron Inami
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