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Re: Feedback on the sliding saw selection
开云体育Hi Stan: ? You are thinking well, and I appreciate your openness to a lot of conflicting opinions given here. Respect. ? In answer to some of your follow-up questions/observations. ? 20’ shop length is a key issue. My shop is 24’ and it comfortably fits a 3200mm slider. You are likely correct that a 3200mm table may not fit in your shop. David B. will have the size requirement committed to memory I’m pretty sure? And David B., thanks for posting the photo of us. That was a good day! ? Yes the slider will completely dominate the space. I used to be hung up on that but it works for me. Regarding conventional ripping, awkwardness aside, I think you are (understandably) thinking about ripping as you have always done rather than ripping on the slider. In reality, like me, you will probably rarely rip on the right side of the blade. Ripping on the left side, using clamps and parallel fence/s is safer and more accurate. There is more setup time, but not a lot more. ? That’s a great question to ask about whether anyone has downsized from a longer slider. I’m quite keen to hear any answers on that one. The closest I’m familiar with is that some choose to run multiple machines, either a slider and a conventional saw, or two sliders one of which is a short-stroke. ? You are correct that the outrigger usually sits towards the far end of a slider to make more space for ripping. The outrigger is a spectacular thing – so much better than a mitre gauge on a conventional saw that it cannot really be compared. You will not want to take off the outrigger and put it back on every time you want to park the convertible, and every time you want to make crosscuts. The outrigger is big and heavy. You ask whether you can still cut small stuff without the outrigger? Of course you can. But the outrigger is quick and accurate for 90 degrees and angles. And the cross cut stops can be relied upon. And with digital (as I have) I simply don’t want to use anything else – my outrigger and large crosscut fence are used for crosscutting long and short items. I use it 99% of the time. ? My shop is larger than yours but is absolutely crammed with machinery. I have to move the sliding table in order to walk from one side of my shop to another. I also have to walk around the end of my outrigger too. That sounds annoying – except that the saw is such a hard-working and accurate machine in my shop that I do not resent having to walk around it. ? I think Mac once told us all to harden up – we complain too much about having to walk around our machinery! (I loved that advice Mac, thank you.) ? ? Hammers are nice machines. Plus it frees up money money for shaper tooling, Mac’s pneumatic clamps, Brian’s parallel fences, a power feeder, etc. I wish you well with your deliberations. ? Warm regards, Lucky ? Dr David Luckensmeyer Designer & Maker @luckensmeyer M: 0413 013 115 ? From:
[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Stan K via groups.io <4279427@...> Thank you gentlemen, this is excellent feedback. ? I suspected that the table length is a controversial topic and I did read the advice to buy the longest table one can fit. My shop is 20'x10' once I subtract the dead space taken by cabinets. This is half of the garage; I like to keep the other half available for the car, but it can be temporarily encroached upon. I figured the outrigger can?overhang into that space. The ceilings are 9' but the overhead garage door reduces it by 18" or so. It is not impossible to fit a large slider (I've seen it done with a comparable Minimax), but it will completely dominate the space and make navigating it kinda awkward. Worst case, the convertible can live on the driveway. ? When observing people that have long sliders, I noticed several things. One, the crosscut fence is typically mounted on the very end of the slider, presumably to keep it free for the long rips. In a small shop, the infeed will typically be against the garage door, making it impossible to use the crosscut without opening the door. Additionally, long carriage makes it awkward to use the rip fence. I thought I could avoid both issues by limiting myself to a short stroke and ripping long boards in the traditional way. ? Clearly the consensus is that I would be making an expensive mistake and I hear it loud and clear. This is exactly the type of feedback I was hoping for. But let me try and exhaust the short stroke avenue before I give up on it entirely. Anyone here who actually downsized from a long slider to a short stroke? Derek — seeing your setup is very helpful and the product you create is way over anything I would be able to produce on an unlimited budget. ? As for the type of work I tend to do, it's all over the place. It's hard to say where the hobby will take me, but on the spectrum proposed by Lucky I gravitate towards Krenov-style furniture rather than dining tables. ? Most of the last year was spent on house remodeling, so there was more panel work than I'd like — hence the itch for a scoring blade. Few doors as well. Milling, assembling, and gluing them up completely monopolized the shop space even without a slider in the way.?Some of them were over 100" high, so I doubt a 8' slider would make a difference...?Jacques' power-fed setup is definitely intriguing.
Outrigger is definitely on the list, but again, my bogey was set at 1100mm and Imran suggests 1500. Can it be off most of the time? Do I need to put it on for the tiniest of crosscuts? Anything involving setup time will have me looking for shortcuts — it's a character flaw that I learned to accept. For the same reason, wheeling the tools around before I can start working would be a deal breaker. ? All in all, I am finding new angles to think about it, and you all have my thanks. The used KF700S that I believe Imran has linked to would fit the bill, but the seller did not reply to my inquiries. I think I might err on the lower side and try a B3, which may not scratch the same itch but will definitely give me a much better understanding and appreciation of the workflow. ? Stan ? |