Re: Dealing with woodworking machine companies - Harvey
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On Dec 30, 2020, at 6:34 PM, imranindiana via groups.io <imranindiana@...> wrote:
? #6 Cu is rated for 55A @ 60C #6 AL is rated for 50A @ 75C
I believe NEC derate for the wires to be in the wall cavity. Is there a different standard for machine cables/ext wires? I guess it would have to be based upon the length of said cable.
In the same vain, as you stated, the wires that my felder machines came with are substantially smaller gauge than what I had to use per code.
Imran
On Dec 30, 2020, at 6:55 PM, TJ Cornish <tj@...> wrote:
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I don¡¯t understand some products¡¯ strange electrical factors. Prior to my Felder, I had a 5HP SawStop which ran at about 19 amps, which clearly requires #10 wire and a 30A breaker, however the cord inlet was not large enough to accept 10-3
SOOW cord. Another example - I just bought a plug-in hybrid vehicle. The most popular level 2 charger on the market is rated for 50 amps of charging current, but the lugs can only accept up to #6 wire.
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What¡¯s doubly amazing is how these products somehow get UL listed when they don¡¯t meet NEC code.
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I think the CF531 I just received had the same ¡°maximum 20A OCPD¡± note in the install documentation, so your little war didn¡¯t hurt enough to fix their stupid documentation.
I had a little war with Felder.? The documentation? for my RL160 said maximum 20 amps.? so that's what my guy installed (scratching his head).
Then the thing did nothing but blow the circuit
I must have spent? ten hours on the phone with their pro league Ex used car salesman? Gaslighhter? telling me how it is all my fault.
So I told them they were coming to NJ? to defend? a suit that I would file in NJ and not in Delaware deliberately,? so as to provide me the opportunity to ask the court to reform their contract and strike their venue selection clause along with my demand
for m payment of the electricians bill for the rewiring job.? If I got one state to strike that clause that'd open them to suite in all states.
A couple weeks later I got a check. .
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On 12/30/20 4:53 PM, Robert Johnson wrote:
With all the recent angst with Felder customer support, I wanted to report on my initial experience with Harvey.
As many of you know Jack Xo makes the Gyro dust collector and basic woodworking machines and bought out Bridge City Tools.
I suggested to my wife that a Shark S-12s Universal Overhead Guard would be great for Christmas.? This was back around Thanksgiving.? It arrive quickly by UPS, however its double wall hex-cell cored cardboard box had been totally shredded and basically held
together just with miles of packaging tape.? I never saw a UPS driver take off so fast after he dropped the 100# load at my front door.
I tell you all this to report their customer support has been very good.? After requesting photos of the packaging, they asked if I needed a replacement of any or all components.? All the parts look very rugged and apparently survived. Nothing was broken, scratched
or dented.? I have yet to assemble it on my Felder year 2004 K700S, as I was asked by Nancy to wait for Christmas.? I've received several follow up messages since from Nathan Anderson, asking if I am making progress on the installation and giving me assurance
they were there to help.? Currently the price is $850 and I think is a good price.? I'll let you all know after I get it installed and the saw running.
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