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Re: Tools needed for custom kitchen building


 

There is a local cabinet shop that does a surprising bit of work, is decades?old and it's like this:
1. table saw with large plywood extensions to handle sheets. Sheets get stacked vertical on floor against a wall. Almost all jobs start with prefinished plywood even if they end up veneered over or painted on showing faces.
2. Router table with bit sets to make profiles/counterprofiles. Customers can choose from about 12 different options, but that's it.
3. CMS and extension legs
4. Pocket Screw Machine. All face frame construction and boxes are pocket?screwed and yellow glued.
5. Blum hinge boring machine
6. cheap auction find edgebander that cost?more to get running right than it did to buy.
7. Contact Cement spray guns for veneers and a "backstop" wall to spray against
8. Finish room in the back with an exhaust fan that passes inspection
9. No dust collection systems?
10. No fancy anything else.
11. Prints $$$.

My best guess is there's $10,000 total in equipment there, it's astonishing how much more money it takes to pull off anything more than these basics - every specialty step is seemingly exponential in cost escalation. I almost bought a large cabinet shop that was fully optimized, turned the corner and boom! - there was an?entire mirror image wing doubling the size of the shop. I presumed it was to expand production, but no - that was just to accommodate curved pieces and arched panels.? $$$$. I see all these shops closing up and auctioning?off assets and can't help but wonder how much their equipment assets really turned to liabilities pushing?their overhead so high they had to pump out the work at unreal productivity or go bankrupt. I never wanted to be like those shops.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:34 PM imranindiana via <imranindiana=[email protected]> wrote:

Bill,

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Your original list included separate jointer and planer (I have combo), edge sander and desire for finishing space. Even though I got machines crammed in my 24x30 space but I do not consider it efficient. I have no significant storage for sheet goods. I cannot move a parts cart easily from machine to machine. As I mentioned, if I was building now I could use same sqft more efficiently but I would still build bigger. Attached is a crude layout since adding K975 earlier this year.

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Imran

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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Bill James via
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 6:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [FOG] Tools needed for custom kitchen building

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On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:51 PM, imranindiana wrote:

2 machines with single aisle or 3 machines with 2 aisles

Interesting, I already plan to have the option to put a jointer and a planer later in the same aisle on the long side and the sliding table saw on the other side. I guess a dedicated planer does not need any side access. I am surprise you find it too small. It looks like your shop if you exclude the stair part and way less machines :). I tried to get some shop floor plan idea over google, but there is not a lot of plan outside a standard 2 car garages and even less with a sliding table saw. If you already have a floor plan of your shop I would be glad to have a look, if not, do not make one just for this thread.

Bill



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