Re: Looking for Heater Core Source
Sadly this is NOT a surprise. Years ago a local Camaro restoration and parts shop was having issues where the heater cores were made wrong, the tubes were spaced wrong and wouldn't mount in place.
Do you have a radiator repair/recoring shop near you? IF so, take your old correct heater cores to them to have them repaired/recored.
In the meantime, so you can drive the car, just bypass the heater core with a short piece of copper tubing the right OD and just long enough to slide into each end of the heater hoses so you can clamp the hoses to the tubing. You can hide the tubing by sliding the hoses all the way on the tube and butting up against each other. Then hide the splice under the air cleaner assembly. Though you may want to opt for a brass double hose barb coupler just so the hoses don't decide to slide off the smooth copper tube.
Yes, it will work and yes again that you WON'T have any heat and IF the car overheats you will not have an extra way to help cool the engine.
David from WNY
On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 05:11:33 PM EDT, LLLLllllloooyyydd via groups.io <heintz58@...> wrote:
My car and I are currently in heater core hell.? Years ago when reassembling my car I purchased a new brass unit that failed immediately with a hairline crack at the tank seam where one of the tubes is installed so I grabbed an aluminum Spectra unit which have since overwhelmed the market from one of the usual parts suspects.? I found that the design of the Spectra unit made it about 1/8 inch too long to reinstall the cover back on the heater box when even a minimum of internal padding was installed so I made a seal for the cover which was ever so slightly thicker than the original to allow me to seal the case,? ?When installing the heater box with the Spectra unit installed I found that the tubes barely protruded enough to allow the hose clamps to be installed and, at that point, the clamps were deeply imbedded in the foam rubber seal that covers the firewall in the engine bay.? No I was not trying to rig this project, I had an event to get to and had no time for sourcing another core.
I recently removed the unit to resolve the issue and found the tubes for the heater hoses are 1/2 inch shorter than each of the 2 brass cores I have (which are within 1/8" tube length of each other).? I ordered another core with a different manufacturer and part number only to find the same dimensions and a sticker with the same part number as the Spectra unit, 94571, stuck on the bottom of the core.?
Does anyone have a good source for heater cores with proper dimension or should I try to find a radiator shop to repair what I have?
LLLLlllllooooyyd? ?
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Re: Looking for Heater Core Source
Lloyd, are you coming to Nats?
On Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 5:11 PM LLLLllllloooyyydd via <heintz58= [email protected]> wrote: My car and I are currently in heater core hell.? Years ago when reassembling my car I purchased a new brass unit that failed immediately with a hairline crack at the tank seam where one of the tubes is installed so I grabbed an aluminum Spectra unit which have since overwhelmed the market from one of the usual parts suspects.? I found that the design of the Spectra unit made it about 1/8 inch too long to reinstall the cover back on the heater box when even a minimum of internal padding was installed so I made a seal for the cover which was ever so slightly thicker than the original to allow me to seal the case,? ?When installing the heater box with the Spectra unit installed I found that the tubes barely protruded enough to allow the hose clamps to be installed and, at that point, the clamps were deeply imbedded in the foam rubber seal that covers the firewall in the engine bay.? No I was not trying to rig this project, I had an event to get to and had no time for sourcing another core.
I recently removed the unit to resolve the issue and found the tubes for the heater hoses are 1/2 inch shorter than each of the 2 brass cores I have (which are within 1/8" tube length of each other).? I ordered another core with a different manufacturer and part number only to find the same dimensions and a sticker with the same part number as the Spectra unit, 94571, stuck on the bottom of the core.?
Does anyone have a good source for heater cores with proper dimension or should I try to find a radiator shop to repair what I have?
LLLLlllllooooyyd? ?
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David are you coming to Nats?
Jim,
I did some looking on Auto Krafter's site. When I entered '69 Torino, 2 door they claim 2 pads and not much options. I had better luck selecting Fairlane, 2 door, hardtop, auto, co!umn. It looked like just a single pad and did have black. I added the extra backing for better heat blocking and quieter ride. It came to about $307.
I suggest you play around with the various car models/types and confirm single pad in black, see the prices and the give them a call. The website states "Internet Pricing" so it MIGHT cost less that way. You may also want to check into their Gold Club membership and see IF the Carpet would qualify for a discount with the Gold Club membership. It could easily more than pay for itself.
David from WNY
On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:10:54 AM EDT, Jim Volmert < jimmyvolmert@...> wrote:
Looking for recommendations where to purchase carpet for my 69 Cobra. I checked Auto Krafters and didn¡¯t find anything and Top Flight has the carpet but with inserts on both the drivers and passenger side.
Jim Volmert
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Re: Looking for Heater Core Source
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On Sat, 2023-06-24 at 18:26 -0400, Bernie wrote: Just my humble opinion but I think you¡¯ll find it cheaper, easier, and better fitting if you just have the original repaired which any decent radiator shop should be able to do.? If the defect is as I understand it, even a welding shop should be able to braze it with little effort. ? Sent from for Windows ? ? My car and I are currently in heater core hell.? Years ago when reassembling my car I purchased a new brass unit that failed immediately with a hairline crack at the tank seam where one of the tubes is installed so I grabbed an aluminum Spectra unit which have since overwhelmed the market from one of the usual parts suspects.? I found that the design of the Spectra unit made it about 1/8 inch too long to reinstall the cover back on the heater box when even a minimum of internal padding was installed so I made a seal for the cover which was ever so slightly thicker than the original to allow me to seal the case,? ?When installing the heater box with the Spectra unit installed I found that the tubes barely protruded enough to allow the hose clamps to be installed and, at that point, the clamps were deeply imbedded in the foam rubber seal that covers the firewall in the engine bay.? No I was not trying to rig this project, I had an event to get to and had no time for sourcing another core. I recently removed the unit to resolve the issue and found the tubes for the heater hoses are 1/2 inch shorter than each of the 2 brass cores I have (which are within 1/8" tube length of each other).? I ordered another core with a different manufacturer and part number only to find the same dimensions and a sticker with the same part number as the Spectra unit, 94571, stuck on the bottom of the core.? Does anyone have a good source for heater cores with proper dimension or should I try to find a radiator shop to repair what I have? ?
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Jim,
I did some looking on Auto Krafter's site. When I entered '69 Torino, 2 door they claim 2 pads and not much options. I had better luck selecting Fairlane, 2 door, hardtop, auto, co!umn. It looked like just a single pad and did have black. I added the extra backing for better heat blocking and quieter ride. It came to about $307.
https://www.autokrafters.com/product/22820/acc-original-material-replacement-carpet-fgo-web-pricing-only-please-note-disclaimer-below
I suggest you play around with the various car models/types and confirm single pad in black, see the prices and the give them a call. The website states "Internet Pricing" so it MIGHT cost less that way. You may also want to check into their Gold Club membership and see IF the Carpet would qualify for a discount with the Gold Club membership. It could easily more than pay for itself.
David from WNY
On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:10:54 AM EDT, Jim Volmert <jimmyvolmert@...> wrote:
Looking for recommendations where to purchase carpet for my 69 Cobra. I checked Auto Krafters and didn¡¯t find anything and Top Flight has the carpet but with inserts on both the drivers and passenger side.
Jim Volmert
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Re: Looking for Heater Core Source
Just my humble opinion but I think you¡¯ll find it cheaper, easier, and better fitting if you just have the original repaired which any decent radiator shop should be able to do.? If the defect is as I understand it, even a welding shop should be able to braze it with little effort. ? Sent from for Windows ?
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From: LLLLllllloooyyydd via groups.ioSent: Saturday, June 24, 2023 5:11 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [fairlaneregistry] Looking for Heater Core Source ? My car and I are currently in heater core hell.? Years ago when reassembling my car I purchased a new brass unit that failed immediately with a hairline crack at the tank seam where one of the tubes is installed so I grabbed an aluminum Spectra unit which have since overwhelmed the market from one of the usual parts suspects.? I found that the design of the Spectra unit made it about 1/8 inch too long to reinstall the cover back on the heater box when even a minimum of internal padding was installed so I made a seal for the cover which was ever so slightly thicker than the original to allow me to seal the case,? ?When installing the heater box with the Spectra unit installed I found that the tubes barely protruded enough to allow the hose clamps to be installed and, at that point, the clamps were deeply imbedded in the foam rubber seal that covers the firewall in the engine bay.? No I was not trying to rig this project, I had an event to get to and had no time for sourcing another core. I recently removed the unit to resolve the issue and found the tubes for the heater hoses are 1/2 inch shorter than each of the 2 brass cores I have (which are within 1/8" tube length of each other).? I ordered another core with a different manufacturer and part number only to find the same dimensions and a sticker with the same part number as the Spectra unit, 94571, stuck on the bottom of the core.? Does anyone have a good source for heater cores with proper dimension or should I try to find a radiator shop to repair what I have? ?
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Looking for Heater Core Source
My car and I are currently in heater core hell.? Years ago when reassembling my car I purchased a new brass unit that failed immediately with a hairline crack at the tank seam where one of the tubes is installed so I grabbed an aluminum Spectra unit which have since overwhelmed the market from one of the usual parts suspects.? I found that the design of the Spectra unit made it about 1/8 inch too long to reinstall the cover back on the heater box when even a minimum of internal padding was installed so I made a seal for the cover which was ever so slightly thicker than the original to allow me to seal the case,? ?When installing the heater box with the Spectra unit installed I found that the tubes barely protruded enough to allow the hose clamps to be installed and, at that point, the clamps were deeply imbedded in the foam rubber seal that covers the firewall in the engine bay.? No I was not trying to rig this project, I had an event to get to and had no time for sourcing another core.
I recently removed the unit to resolve the issue and found the tubes for the heater hoses are 1/2 inch shorter than each of the 2 brass cores I have (which are within 1/8" tube length of each other).? I ordered another core with a different manufacturer and part number only to find the same dimensions and a sticker with the same part number as the Spectra unit, 94571, stuck on the bottom of the core.?
Does anyone have a good source for heater cores with proper dimension or should I try to find a radiator shop to repair what I have?
LLLLlllllooooyyd? ?
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Re: Dash spear differences
It is possible, depending on conditions and plastic(s) used, that an Original (or aftermarket for that matter) spear could/will shrink. I have seen curling of original '68 spears which is a form of shrinkage.
Anoher possible wrench in the works is replacement dashes from back in the day could have variations from what was originally installed at the factory. OR there could have been a running partial/mid year change due to suppliers or engineering change do to various reasons (like a problem found be it manufacturing, materials or defects that showed up under warranty before the model year was over). But I don't know, these are just possibilities that could have happened.
The dash with spear that is now on my Torino (and the one I posted side profile pics of the spear snowing partial delamination) was given to me and had been in storage in a local garage here in WNY since eiher sometime in the 70s or early 80s because the owner had to part out his car. So it wasn't exposed to all the car environment issues it's whole life. That said I did have to glue down the dash edges in spots due to the pad lifting away from the steel sheet metal core.
Added to this I remember years ago at one of the All Ford Carlisle show/swap meets there was a person selling "New" '68/'69 Dashes for $100 (I have kicked myself ever since for not buying one). I can't remember IF they had a spear in them or not (I almost think they did, and I think it was the black '68 spear). I don't know where he got them from, IF they were leftover production stock (either at Ford OR at the Manufacturer, that is if Ford didn't make them), Didn't meet/pass QC, NOS Ford replacement parts or Reproductions. I do remember they looked good. I didn't get one because I had limited cash and had other things I was on the hunt for/needed. Later that day when I went back to buy one, he was gone.
David from WNY On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 09:50:38 AM EDT, Linc <linc@...> wrote:
I have also never heard this. ?Can you, or anyone, take a side by side series of photos of a reproduction spear and an original 68 spear? ? I don't have any 69 spears to compare, but it would also be diagnostically relevant to compare to factory spears of the two years to see if there is a difference.?
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On Sat, 2023-06-24 at 12:54 +0000, Marty Burke via groups.io wrote: Matthew I found your email interesting. Hundreds of these spears have been sold and place on 68¡¯s without any issue. Most are on driver cars who understand that the 68 black piece is not available. My initial thought Is?the fitment?issue is due to your dash possibly shrinking due to heat or age. I would like to see photos of what you are talking about as we are currently overseeing a concourse restoration of a 68.5 car and will be restoring a 68 piece from one of my parts cars (68) In my years of playing with these cars this is the first time I have heard of what you claim. In an unrelated note I did talk with Daniel Carpenter (who owns a 68 and his company makes the spear) and asked if he could make a run of black spears for me. Sadly he didn¡¯t want to do it. Marty
On Saturday, June 24, 2023, 1:42 AM, Matthew Keating <Captainmatt7@...> wrote: Hi guys I have been lurking in the background as a member but haven¡¯t contributed before. So hello everyone. About ten years ago I bought a dash spear from Marty to use for my 68 car, it didn¡¯t work, and these were my observations at the time: The unfortunate news is the repro part does not fit a 68 dash. These are the differences:- Most of the pins on the 69 repro part aren't in exactly the same position as the 68 original, and you therefore have to consider redrilling the dash, enlarging holes, or cutting some pins clean off to make it work. Whatever end you start with, the pins are slightly out in most cases, and the problem is progressive, i.e. the pins get further out of alignment as you go along. The second pin from the right end is most obviously out of alignment, and an anomaly.
- Aligning the spear centrally is problematic, since the pins are not correctly located for the holes in the dash at both ends.
- If you attempt to align the pins at both ends, the spear bows in the middle.
- The spear is not exactly the same size - the 69 repro part extends about 1/3" longer than the original 68 and is in fact slightly too long for the dash recess.
In addition:- The chrome rib is noticeably wider and has a higher profile than the original 68 spear
- The colour bars are much wider and thicker on the repro 69 part
- The background colour is silver, where the original is black
- The spear tips have a different, more pointed profile on the repro part than the 68 original.
Hopefully this gives you some insight into the situation, and how much compromise you are willing to accept. Cheers Matthew
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I have also never heard this. ?Can you, or anyone, take a side by side series of photos of a reproduction spear and an original 68 spear? ? I don't have any 69 spears to compare, but it would also be diagnostically relevant to compare to factory spears of the two years to see if there is a difference.?
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On Sat, 2023-06-24 at 12:54 +0000, Marty Burke via groups.io wrote: Matthew I found your email interesting. Hundreds of these spears have been sold and place on 68¡¯s without any issue. Most are on driver cars who understand that the 68 black piece is not available. My initial thought Is?the fitment?issue is due to your dash possibly shrinking due to heat or age. I would like to see photos of what you are talking about as we are currently overseeing a concourse restoration of a 68.5 car and will be restoring a 68 piece from one of my parts cars (68) In my years of playing with these cars this is the first time I have heard of what you claim. In an unrelated note I did talk with Daniel Carpenter (who owns a 68 and his company makes the spear) and asked if he could make a run of black spears for me. Sadly he didn¡¯t want to do it. Marty
On Saturday, June 24, 2023, 1:42 AM, Matthew Keating <Captainmatt7@...> wrote: Hi guys I have been lurking in the background as a member but haven¡¯t contributed before. So hello everyone. About ten years ago I bought a dash spear from Marty to use for my 68 car, it didn¡¯t work, and these were my observations at the time: The unfortunate news is the repro part does not fit a 68 dash. These are the differences:- Most of the pins on the 69 repro part aren't in exactly the same position as the 68 original, and you therefore have to consider redrilling the dash, enlarging holes, or cutting some pins clean off to make it work. Whatever end you start with, the pins are slightly out in most cases, and the problem is progressive, i.e. the pins get further out of alignment as you go along. The second pin from the right end is most obviously out of alignment, and an anomaly.
- Aligning the spear centrally is problematic, since the pins are not correctly located for the holes in the dash at both ends.
- If you attempt to align the pins at both ends, the spear bows in the middle.
- The spear is not exactly the same size - the 69 repro part extends about 1/3" longer than the original 68 and is in fact slightly too long for the dash recess.
In addition:- The chrome rib is noticeably wider and has a higher profile than the original 68 spear
- The colour bars are much wider and thicker on the repro 69 part
- The background colour is silver, where the original is black
- The spear tips have a different, more pointed profile on the repro part than the 68 original.
Hopefully this gives you some insight into the situation, and how much compromise you are willing to accept. Cheers Matthew
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Hi Marty
That is indeed interesting.
I will try to get some photos organised for you and others to see in the next week or two. You probably won't recall I raised this with you?when I first bought the spear, which was probably quite soon after they were first made available,
and these were my observations back then. It was a long time ago now. You may be entirely correct about shrinkage of the dash, but I would not expect the spear to have shrunk. I don¡¯t have any way to cross reference since I¡¯m not in the USA; I do still have
the original spear, although it is deteriorated. So let me have another look and gather some photos.
Regards
Matthew
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Matthew I found your email interesting. Hundreds of these spears have been sold and place on 68¡¯s without any issue. Most are on driver cars who understand that the 68 black piece is not available. My initial thought Is?the fitment?issue is due to your dash possibly shrinking due to heat or age. I would like to see photos of what you are talking about as we are currently overseeing a concourse restoration of a 68.5 car and will be restoring a 68 piece from one of my parts cars (68) In my years of playing with these cars this is the first time I have heard of what you claim. In an unrelated note I did talk with Daniel Carpenter (who owns a 68 and his company makes the spear) and asked if he could make a run of black spears for me. Sadly he didn¡¯t want to do it. Marty
On Saturday, June 24, 2023, 1:42 AM, Matthew Keating <Captainmatt7@...> wrote: Hi guys I have been lurking in the background as a member but haven¡¯t contributed before. So hello everyone. About ten years ago I bought a dash spear from Marty to use for my 68 car, it didn¡¯t work, and these were my observations at the time: The unfortunate news is the repro part does not fit a 68 dash. These are the differences:
- Most of the pins on the 69 repro part aren't in exactly the same position as the 68 original, and you therefore have to consider redrilling the dash, enlarging holes, or cutting some pins clean off to make it work. Whatever end you start with, the pins are slightly out in most cases, and the problem is progressive, i.e. the pins get further out of alignment as you go along. The second pin from the right end is most obviously out of alignment, and an anomaly.
- Aligning the spear centrally is problematic, since the pins are not correctly located for the holes in the dash at both ends.
- If you attempt to align the pins at both ends, the spear bows in the middle.
- The spear is not exactly the same size - the 69 repro part extends about 1/3" longer than the original 68 and is in fact slightly too long for the dash recess.
In addition:
- The chrome rib is noticeably wider and has a higher profile than the original 68 spear
- The colour bars are much wider and thicker on the repro 69 part
- The background colour is silver, where the original is black
- The spear tips have a different, more pointed profile on the repro part than the 68 original.
Hopefully this gives you some insight into the situation, and how much compromise you are willing to accept. Cheers Matthew
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Hi guys I have been lurking in the background as a member but haven¡¯t contributed before. So hello everyone. About ten years ago I bought a dash spear from Marty to use for my 68 car, it didn¡¯t work, and these were my observations at the time: The unfortunate news is the repro part does not fit a 68 dash. These are the differences:
- Most of the pins on the 69 repro part aren't in exactly the same position as the 68 original, and you therefore have to consider redrilling the dash, enlarging holes, or cutting some pins clean off to make it work. Whatever end you start with, the pins are slightly out in most cases, and the problem is progressive, i.e. the pins get further out of alignment as you go along. The second pin from the right end is most obviously out of alignment, and an anomaly.
- Aligning the spear centrally is problematic, since the pins are not correctly located for the holes in the dash at both ends.
- If you attempt to align the pins at both ends, the spear bows in the middle.
- The spear is not exactly the same size - the 69 repro part extends about 1/3" longer than the original 68 and is in fact slightly too long for the dash recess.
In addition:
- The chrome rib is noticeably wider and has a higher profile than the original 68 spear
- The colour bars are much wider and thicker on the repro 69 part
- The background colour is silver, where the original is black
- The spear tips have a different, more pointed profile on the repro part than the 68 original.
Hopefully this gives you some insight into the situation, and how much compromise you are willing to accept. Cheers Matthew
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Jim,
Years ago I ordered my '68 Torino GT's black carpet from Mac's Antique Auto (back when they were still locally owned). The carpet came from ACC. When it came in I found it was wrong, the front had 2 inserts/pads (driver and passenger) and the rear section was wrong (IIRC it was too long or something). I didn't mind the front having the 2 inserts/pads and asked IF there was a way to keep the front section and swap out the rear. I was told no. They had to send it back and reorder. The way I looked at it, the second wrong pad would add durability to the carpet and would be hidden anyways by the floor mats I planned on using and am using.
Sadly from what I remember, not long after that the owner of ACC died, I think it was a plane crash. But can't remember.
Now with Mac's being owned by Ecklers and severely gone down hill, I would NOT deal with them.
I would call Auto Krafters and specifically ask about Black Carpet for your Cobra.
Next up, see IF ACC is still in business and IF they still make '68/'69 Fairlane/Torino carpets and in the color you want.
Also check the following, provided they AREN'T now owned by Ecklers and/or are still in business..
Dennis Carpenters
Melvin's Classic Ford Parts
Lastly where did you look on/at Auto Krafters for carpets? Did you check the index under Carpet? And also check the index under Upholstery?
David from WNY
On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 10:10:54 AM EDT, Jim Volmert <jimmyvolmert@...> wrote:
Looking for recommendations where to purchase carpet for my 69 Cobra. I checked Auto Krafters and didn¡¯t find anything and Top Flight has the carpet but with inserts on both the drivers and passenger side.
Jim Volmert
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Autokrafters uses ACC and they are fine for concourse?
On Friday, June 23, 2023, 9:10 AM, Jim Volmert <jimmyvolmert@...> wrote: Looking for recommendations where to purchase carpet for my 69 Cobra. I checked Auto Krafters and didn¡¯t find anything and Top Flight has the carpet but with inserts on both the drivers and passenger side.
Jim Volmert
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Looking for recommendations where to purchase carpet for my 69 Cobra. I checked Auto Krafters and didn¡¯t find anything and Top Flight has the carpet but with inserts on both the drivers and passenger side.
Jim Volmert
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Re: Headliner for ¡®68 2-door formal roof
Yes, as Dennis said, Auto Krafters.
This said, WHAT exactly is wrong with your headliner?
Asking because depending on what is wrong with your oriinal headliner it MIGHT be repairable. Check with some local restoration and upholstery shops (don't limit it to those that just do Ford products), even those that repair and install convertible tops. I say this becsuse there is a local Camaro Restoration and parts shop that used to have a guy come in that would repair and/or install/replace any upholstery work. He would do any make or model and IF needed he would order in a swath or section of the correct material (grain, weight and color), cut it and sew in just a replacement segment saving the rest of the original/remaining good upholstery. IF a small tear or hole MIGHT also be repairable WITHOUT removal and depending on where it is and how bad it might not even be visible at all or unless closely looked at. IF a seam is split they might be able to re sew it and be as good as new and saving the original.
David from WNY
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 04:45:11 PM EDT, Christine Thomas - FAIRLDI <cthomasfam2011@...> wrote:
Thanks ! Christine Thomas 515-321-5775
On Jun 22, 2023, at 3:42 PM, Dennis Bregitzer <dennis.bregitzer@...> wrote:
? Call AutoKrafters...they have three shades of blue. Dennis? Where do I go to purchase headliner for my Brittany Blue with blue interior ¡®68 with formal roof?? Thank you!!
Christine Thomas
515-321-5775
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On Jun 22, 2023, at 3:42 PM, Dennis Bregitzer <dennis.bregitzer@...> wrote:
? Call AutoKrafters...they have three shades of blue. Dennis? Where do I go to purchase headliner for my Brittany Blue with blue interior ¡®68 with formal roof?? Thank you!!
Christine Thomas
515-321-5775
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Re: Headliner for ¡®68 2-door formal roof
Call AutoKrafters...they have three shades of blue. Dennis?
Where do I go to purchase headliner for my Brittany Blue with blue interior ¡®68 with formal roof?? Thank you!!
Christine Thomas
515-321-5775
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1968 Ford Fairlane
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Headliner for ¡®68 2-door formal roof
Where do I go to purchase headliner for my Brittany Blue with blue interior ¡®68 with formal roof? Thank you!!
Christine Thomas
515-321-5775
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Re: '68-'69 Reproduction Dash Pad Review
 On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 8:02 PM Linc < linc@...> wrote: That is one of the best ones I have seen. --
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On Mon, 2023-06-19 at 19:51 -0400, Dennis Bregitzer wrote: Here is the original spear on my car. It's NOT the new one painted. Some pictures of it, if it?helps.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 2:37 PM Linc < linc@...> wrote: So here are a bunch of pictures of a 1968 Spear.? We often say they are black, and they are. But since I have NEVER seen an NOS one I am not certain I belive that.? If you look closely at the pictures attached you will see that there are remnants of argent on either side of the rib. This leads me to believe that there was likely not a completely black background.? I have two others that look very similar to this.?
I know that they are different, I just don't know how much they are different.? I could be that the 68 units just did not hold up, so a change was made in 69 to help with that.? I doubt that would be the whole story.? I say this because the guages were black in 68 and silver in 69, so I feel like some of the spear changes are going to be tied to that.
So if you ever get to see a perfect one (I know they exist) take pictures for me.? I know the NPD car is supposed to be like new. But I have never seen it.?
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On Fri, 2023-06-16 at 22:06 -0600, Will wrote: Thanks for the photo. Yeah, I wasn't looking for 100% concours restoration on my car. I went with more of a restomod. Built it the way I wanted it, but kept it in the original colors when my Mom bought it new. It's nice to know how the spear is supposed to look, if I ever decide to redo it. Thanks again!? I added a photo of it too. I'm hoping to get it to the Nationals one day!
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