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Re: 428 CJ 735 cfm carburetor


 

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Gary,

I'm glad things are working out for you.

I highly recommend the Holley book. Peterson Publishing?

It covers carbs of all types as a general educational background.

When I did the 735 of my CJ, I found the info in that book to be most educational.
I really was interested in the effect(s), of different air cleaner bases.
To that end I had a tach hooked up, CJ up to operating temperature, check revs,
put huge air cleaner base on the carb, no filter, just the base, the idle revs went UP.
It's all about air flow.

I took the list number from the front of the air horn on the carb and ordered a Holley
kit for it. Well, wow, what nice gaskets, you could use them 2 or 3 times during a
tweeking process. I also got the set of vacuum secondary springs. They are color
coded and go from soft to hard.

A soft spring will have your secondaries activating early after you have floored it.
A harder spring will wail a while before the secondaries are allowed to start opening.

What fun dialing it in. The vacuum pot will come off the carb while leaving the carb, "in situ".

The 1969 Shop Manual also covers the carb, but, the Holley book is almost a must INMHO.

Cheerio,

Pete from the Loops
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On 2022-05-17 4:36 p.m., Gary Wittman via groups.io wrote:

Well my drive went great.? It is idling better than it ever has since I bought it in 2005.? It is pulling strong too.? I may have advanced the timing a little too much.? When I take off easy from a stop. it moves but feels like it hesitates a little before accelerating.? I will play with the timing a little to see if I can fixe that.??

The engine did like the extra timing on WOT.? The rear tires were trying to break loose all the way through first gear, and that was after I got up to about 20 mph before flooring it.

Gary in SoCal

On Monday, May 16, 2022, 09:18:54 AM PDT, Gary Wittman <gary.wittman@...> wrote:


I took the carb off and disassemble the front bowl and metering block.? I found the baffle for the vent was not installed properly.? Then I checked out the primary transition slot and found it was not set right.? I set the exposed portion of the slot with the butterflies in idle position to what is called square (height = width).? I then blew out all the passages with carb cleaner and air. Then reassemble everything making sure the vent baffle was correct.? I had to adjust the idle position of the secondary carb to compensate for closing down the primary to get the transition slot adjusted.

I cranked the starter to fill up the bowls and checked the fuel level again.? It was right were it should be. I then set the choke with a couple pumps of the accelerator pedal.? It fired right up and I waited to see what happened as it warmed up..It did start to get rough as it warmed up, but I adjusted the idle needles and advanced the timing a little.? It now idles at 800 rpm very well.

Unfortunately, 800 rpm idle is too slow because when I put it in gear the rpm drops too much.? When I was doing some research on the Internet I discovered something about Holley carbs I never knew.? It is advised to adjust the primary throttle stop screw to set the adjustment for the transition slot and not to use it for adjusting idle.? The idle adjustment is done with the secondary.? That is very difficult because that adjustment screw is only accessible with the carb off.? The set screw on mine is also frozen so I had to bend the secondary stop lever to adjust the secondary idle position.? That requires removing that lever then using a vice and wrench.? It works but is a kind of hit and miss approach.? I should get it right today and finally get it my Cobra out for a drive.

Wish me luck.? I miss driving it.

Gary in SoCal

On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 06:57:11 PM PDT, William Sweitzer <torinoman1@...> wrote:


Let us know if you find the problem?


On May 14, 2022, at 10:48 PM, Gary Wittman via groups.io <gary.wittman@...> wrote:

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Thanks Linc and Steve for your suggestions.? I already checked the fuel level in the bowl.? Replacing the power valve was the first thing I did after checking the fuel level.

My problem is not excessive fuel, it is too lean at idle.? I can get it to near idle if I hold the choke partially closed..

I think it has something to do with the idle circuit.? Possibly, partially clogged, but I don't know how that would cause the fog coming out of the vent.?

I think I will go ahead a take the carb off and try to figure out what would cause the fog in the vent.? Then blow out all the passages.? I will also make sure the idle slots are exposed properly.

Gary in SoCal?

On Saturday, May 14, 2022, 06:50:00 PM PDT, Steve W <fords65273@...> wrote:


When I have signs of excessive fuel in a Holley carb, I always check two things. First is the float level. If the needle and seat are stuck open, or the float is sunken, fuel will flow out the sight plug (with the engine running). The second thing I do is replace the power valve.?

Steve

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Gary Wittman via groups.io <gary.wittman@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:39 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [fairlaneregistry] 428 CJ 735 cfm carburetor
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I am dealing with a Holley carburetor that won't idle after more than 15 years of working very well.? When I start it cold, it fires up fine.? When the choke starts to open up the engine begins to run poorly.? It has an electric choke and I can turn off power to it.? This keeps the choke partially closed and the engine keeps running.? This tells me it is running lean.? I have checked for vacuum leaks and have found none.? I have some ideas of what it could be but before I take the carburetor off and take it apart, I wanted to see if any of you have an idea of what it can be.?

Once it is warned up, I can de-choke it and it will run well if I keep the rpm at 1300 or higher.? It sounds healthy when I do that.? If I try to lower the rpm, the rpm begins to drop and engine slowly dies.? There are two vent tubes that stick straight up on top of the carb. One is in front of the primary horn and other is behind the the secondary horn.? They are both angled at the top.? ?I don't know their function but the front one is doing something I have never seen before.? There is kind of a fog/mist coming out of it.? I can even feel some small droplets coming out.? I am pretty sure that has something to do with the problem, but I don't know what would cause it to do that.

I plan to take the carb apart and try to trace the galley to see if I can figure out what is casing the fog.? I am hoping somebody already knows what it is.

Gary in SoCal

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