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Refueling with Frig Lit was(EVC Electrical Problem)
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Larry Schellhase
Forest do you do this in areas that do not have vapor recovery systems on the gas pumps? I feel relatively safe refueling with the Norcold running on propane when the gas pump has a vapor recovery system, but when the pumps do not have vapor recovery I turn the fridge off before filling.
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* * * Warning - I am not stating this is a safe practice or recommending that anyone else should do what I do. * * * Larry LA, CA --- On Fri, 6/20/08, forest flanigan <creoflan@...> wrote:
If you have a hard time finding a replacement solenoid or can't trace the problem you can always drive with the fridge on propane . Some folks recommend turning the propane off during fueling but I find no problem with leaving the fridge lit while refueling. If you do turn off the fridge while putting gas in you need a well charged rear battery to get it re lit. Good luck Forest ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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As long as you guys don't gas up anywhere near me...
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I used to drive with the fridge on propane too, but I found I was always having to clean the burner. All that wind from driving probably causes a lot of flicker and soot buildup. That and the danger situation. A few years ago, I bought some vent covers from a nice guy on this list. I keep those in place all the time (except when running on propane of course) and haven't had to clean the burner box since. --Michael Wise Ketchum, Idaho Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message-----
From: Larry Schellhase <schellhase@...> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:57:45 To:ev_update@... Subject: [ev_update] Refueling with Frig Lit was(EVC Electrical Problem) Forest do you do this in areas that do not have vapor recovery systems on the gas pumps? I feel relatively safe refueling with the Norcold running on propane when the gas pump has a vapor recovery system, but when the pumps do not have vapor recovery I turn the fridge off before filling. * * * Warning - I am not stating this is a safe practice or recommending that anyone else should do what I do. * * * Larry LA, CA --- On Fri, 6/20/08, forest flanigan <creoflan@...> wrote: If you have a hard time finding a replacement solenoid or can't trace the problem you can always drive with the fridge on propane . Some folks recommend turning the propane off during fueling but I find no problem with leaving the fridge lit while refueling. If you do turn off the fridge while putting gas in you need a well charged rear battery to get it re lit. Good luck Forest ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this group, send a message to mailto:ev_update-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Daytime Driving Lights?
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In a message dated 6/20/2008 6:35:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schellhase@... writes: what is a DDL? ****Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. () |
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jack_son_73
Larry -
Most fuel pumps I've used in the past few years have the vapor recovery system. They even draw gas gurgling back underground if you try to over- fill, of course. However, it was not until I was following this list for a few years that I realized I was possibly damaging my vehicles by topping off the tank. While trying to FILL my tank for accurate measurements, or max miles before next fill-up, I sometimes overflowed gas on my feet, ground, car... Yeah, not smart, and sometimes our first big mistake is our last. I may have pulled the nozzle out too far - as some tank necks will not take high pressure fuel pumps w/o resetting. The vapor would only need to travel 1 foot - but if I can smell it from two feet away, the Norcold might ignite it. I would not use propane devices while driving, & especially while near others who are refueling next to me. None of the pump jockeys went to "refueling school" - & I obviously skipped that part of my education. Some tunnels have signs prohibiting propane tanks, even if turned off. You are supposed to stop for inspection, or be directed to an alternate route. They mostly look for large reefer trucks, but it also applies to the small "BBQ" LP tanks. With my extra deep-cycle house battery, there is no trouble keeping up with the [15A?] Norcold - as inefficient as it is. I'd disable my DDL if 15A was that critical. I run 20 to 85A with my Ham Rig on. Winnie must have a brother-in-law or other connection at Norcold, to have helped them unload so many poorly designed refrigerators. My main reason for never using ANY propane EVER, is the difficulty, inconvenience, & expense of refilling. After reading about the soot problems with Norcold & furnace, + lighting & relighting, cleaning - I am very happy. I'd take both appliances out, & leave them out, if it wasn't such a difficult task. My chest Norcold would fit in place of the original unit, & I'd have a choice of freezer or cooler, a fully adjustable thermostat, and only 1/3 the current. + I could leave it out when not needed. My LARGE chest-style Norcold portable cooler- freezer only draws 4-5A on 12V [I've never measured AC amps], and it naturally runs a lot less if set above -32F. It's hard to believe it has a compressor, yet draws the same current as my DC 6-pack or large Koolatron - both solid state coolers, @ ~4.5A. I must use an external power supply to run the solid state units on 117V AC, but the compressor unit just plugs into 115V AC, Regards, Jack_son =============== --In ev_update@..., Larry Schellhase <schellhase@.> wrote: systems on the gas pumps? I feel relatively safe refueling with the Norcold running on propane when the gas pump has a vapor recovery system, but when the pumps do not have vapor recovery I turn the fridge off before filling. recommending that anyone else should do what I do. * * *
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Larry Schellhase
What house battery do you have and what is a DDL?
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Thanks Larry --- On Fri, 6/20/08, jack_son_73 <jackr1@...> wrote:
From: jack_son_73 <jackr1@...> Subject: [ev_update] Re: Refueling with Frig Lit was(EVC Electrical Problem) To: ev_update@... Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 2:12 PM Larry - Most fuel pumps I've used in the past few years have the vapor recovery system. They even draw gas gurgling back underground if you try to over- fill, of course. However, it was not until I was following this list for a few years that I realized I was possibly damaging my vehicles by topping off the tank. While trying to FILL my tank for accurate measurements, or max miles before next fill-up, I sometimes overflowed gas on my feet, ground, car... Yeah, not smart, and sometimes our first big mistake is our last. I may have pulled the nozzle out too far - as some tank necks will not take high pressure fuel pumps w/o resetting. The vapor would only need to travel 1 foot - but if I can smell it from two feet away, the Norcold might ignite it. I would not use propane devices while driving, & especially while near others who are refueling next to me. None of the pump jockeys went to "refueling school" - & I obviously skipped that part of my education. Some tunnels have signs prohibiting propane tanks, even if turned off. You are supposed to stop for inspection, or be directed to an alternate route. They mostly look for large reefer trucks, but it also applies to the small "BBQ" LP tanks. With my extra deep-cycle house battery, there is no trouble keeping up with the [15A?] Norcold - as inefficient as it is. I'd disable my DDL if 15A was that critical. I run 20 to 85A with my Ham Rig on. Winnie must have a brother-in-law or other connection at Norcold, to have helped them unload so many poorly designed refrigerators. My main reason for never using ANY propane EVER, is the difficulty, inconvenience, & expense of refilling. After reading about the soot problems with Norcold & furnace, + lighting & relighting, cleaning - I am very happy. I'd take both appliances out, & leave them out, if it wasn't such a difficult task. My chest Norcold would fit in place of the original unit, & I'd have a choice of freezer or cooler, a fully adjustable thermostat, and only 1/3 the current. + I could leave it out when not needed. My LARGE chest-style Norcold portable cooler- freezer only draws 4-5A on 12V [I've never measured AC amps], and it naturally runs a lot less if set above -32F. It's hard to believe it has a compressor, yet draws the same current as my DC 6-pack or large Koolatron - both solid state coolers, @ ~4.5A. I must use an external power supply to run the solid state units on 117V AC, but the compressor unit just plugs into 115V AC, Regards, Jack_son ============ === --In ev_update@yahoogrou ps.com, Larry Schellhase <schellhase@ .> wrote: Forest do you do this in areas that do not have vapor recoverysystems on the gas pumps? I feel relatively safe refueling with the Norcold running on propane when the gas pump has a vapor recovery system, but when the pumps do not have vapor recovery I turn the fridge off before filling. * * * Warning - I am not stating this is a safe practice orrecommending that anyone else should do what I do. * * * Larry LA, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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forest flanigan
Hey Larry --
I have refilled at many stations that did not have a recovery system--in my last camper (cab over on a pick up) I refueled all the way down the Baja Peninsula with the propane on , and that camper had a "normal " fridge where you could open the door on the outside and see the flame burning. In fact thats how I had to light it ---my wife would hold the red button in and I would put a flame to it. Again -I 'm not stating this is safe practice. This is a recommedation to the writer that was losing to much battery. Jackson may have the right idea--pull the sucker out and put in one that really works. Both Sportsmoble and GTRV put electrics in their rigs. As I have stated many times on this forum this is the worst designed propane refer I have come across--and by far the hardest to maintain--I have had mine out 4 times this week to get it ready for summer. I think that Winnebago must have threatened Norcold into this design. Maybe saying --"if you don't make it this way we will go elsewhere for our parts". Norcold should have told them they would NOT build such a sh%^%tty unit so as to not ruin their reputation. But in the era of the big boy's pushing us all around that's not how business is done. It's a proven fact that companies make different types of the same product for different stores. Iwanted to get some T-shirts years ago to make some Chrstmas presents --bought some Haines from K-mart and they were so thin that I couldn't use them --I went looking for a better brand and wound up buying Haines --just not "the they made for K-mart " as the seller said. Why would a good company that makes a good product do this? Forest with a finally working Norcold |
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jack_son_73
Larry -
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DDL = Daytime Driving Lights. My '03 EVC & '01 Passat have it - not sure about '95 Passat. I am still using original Trojan house bat, & picked up a marine 'deep-cycle' the same size. I built a larger bat box, air & water tight, vented like the original, with drain. I added additional +/- DC cables from front battery relay to converter, & to new bat box. For my Ham transmitter amplifier, I need about 30% of the house battery current with key down while sending Morse Code, but part of that comes from alternator when it's running. I'm considering a higher current alternator. The 3/4" plastic box was such a big project, I wish I had just put in a pair of Optima bats, & omitted the bat box. I could even have added a 3rd Optima, and still had storage space. Jack_son ================ --In ev_update@..., Larry Schellhase <schellhase@..> wrote:
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Miles Koppersmith
I disagree with your comments about the Norcold. Mine works so well
that if I am not careful it will freeze things up. It has never failed to light in the 6 years I have had it except for one time when my house battery was almost dead and it did not have enough juice for the igniter to work. Also I have never cleaned out the burner box or anything else in the past 6 years. I always operate it on propane while driving and it has never gone out or quit. The only time I switch it from propane to electricity is if I am hooked up to electric power at a campground because doing so automatically cuts it off from propane and I have to switch it over to electric mode. I always turn it off when I stop for a fuel fillup (except for a few times when I forgot to turn it off) and it has always relit without hesitation. We have been all around the US from Key West to Seattle, from San Diego to Maryland, from South Texas to Mount Rushmore, and even circled around Lake Michigan. It works as well in the Colorado mountains as it does along the beach. No problems. Of course one thing I always do is make sure I park in a level spot whenever using it since several have said that not doing so may cause your burner to soot up. YMMV. :>) Miles Koppersmith 2002 EVC "Gadabout" --- In ev_update@..., "forest flanigan" <creoflan@...> wrote: system--in my last camper (cab over on a pick up) I refueled all the way down theBaja Peninsula with the propane on , and that camper had a "normal "fridge where you could open the door on the outside and see the flame burning.In fact thats how I had to light it ---my wife would hold the red button inand I would put a flame to it.recommedation to the writer that was losing to much battery.that really works. Both Sportsmoble and GTRV put electrics in their rigs.designed propane refer I have come across--and by far the hardest to maintain--Ihave had mine out 4 times this week to get it ready for summer. I think thatsaying --"if you don't make it this way we will go elsewhere for our parts".Norcold should have told them they would NOT build such a sh%^%tty unit soas to not ruin their reputation. But in the era of the big boy's pushing usall around that's not how business is done. It's a proven fact that companiesmake different types of the same product for different stores. Iwantedto get some T-shirts years ago to make some Chrstmas presents --boughtsome Haines from K-mart and they were so thin that I couldn't use them --I wentlooking for a better brand and wound up buying Haines --just not "the theymade for K-mart " as the seller said. Why would a good company that makes agood product do this? |
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Can't see why you would want to waste propane when the electicity while driving is free. I am of the opinion that operating the evc while the fridge gas is on is a safety hazard. Typically when driving I have the whole family on board and I would not risk their lives in this way. All horrible accidents usually happen when the hazard was ignored or 'we have done this safely before'. I don't like to see accounts of driving with the fridge gas on because they are a tacit advertisment that its ok, whereas in fact it is very dangerous.
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Jonathan 1999 EVC Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message-----
From: "Miles Koppersmith" <miles@...> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:06:30 To:ev_update@... Subject: [ev_update] Re: Refueling with Frig Lit was(EVC Electrical Problem) I disagree with your comments about the Norcold. Mine works so well that if I am not careful it will freeze things up. It has never failed to light in the 6 years I have had it except for one time when my house battery was almost dead and it did not have enough juice for the igniter to work. Also I have never cleaned out the burner box or anything else in the past 6 years. I always operate it on propane while driving and it has never gone out or quit. The only time I switch it from propane to electricity is if I am hooked up to electric power at a campground because doing so automatically cuts it off from propane and I have to switch it over to electric mode. I always turn it off when I stop for a fuel fillup (except for a few times when I forgot to turn it off) and it has always relit without hesitation. We have been all around the US from Key West to Seattle, from San Diego to Maryland, from South Texas to Mount Rushmore, and even circled around Lake Michigan. It works as well in the Colorado mountains as it does along the beach. No problems. Of course one thing I always do is make sure I park in a level spot whenever using it since several have said that not doing so may cause your burner to soot up. YMMV. :>) Miles Koppersmith 2002 EVC "Gadabout" --- In ev_update@yahoogrou <mailto:ev_update%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "forest flanigan" <creoflan@...> wrote: > > Hey Larry -- > > I have refilled at many stations that did not have a recovery system--in my > last camper (cab over on a pick up) I refueled all the way down the Baja > Peninsula with the propane on , and that camper had a "normal " fridge where > you could open the door on the outside and see the flame burning. In fact > thats how I had to light it ---my wife would hold the red button in and I > would put a flame to it. > > Again -I 'm not stating this is safe practice. This is a recommedation to > the writer that was losing to much battery. > > Jackson may have the right idea--pull the sucker out and put in one that > really works. Both Sportsmoble and GTRV put electrics in their rigs. > > As I have stated many times on this forum this is the worst designed propane > refer I have come across--and by far the hardest to maintain--I have had > mine out 4 times this week to get it ready for summer. I think that > Winnebago must have threatened Norcold into this design. Maybe saying --"if > you don't make it this way we will go elsewhere for our parts". Norcold > should have told them they would NOT build such a sh%^%tty unit so as to not > ruin their reputation. But in the era of the big boy's pushing us all around > that's not how business is done. It's a proven fact that companies make > different types of the same product for different stores. Iwanted to get > some T-shirts years ago to make some Chrstmas presents --bought some Haines > from K-mart and they were so thin that I couldn't use them --I went looking > for a better brand and wound up buying Haines --just not "the they made for > K-mart " as the seller said. Why would a good company that makes a good > product do this? > > Forest > with a finally working Norcold > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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