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Here we are, toes over the edge, just about to plunge into a new EVC:
Is it worth $1200-1800 to have a "platinum" ext service plan that
allegedly covers "everything" including all so-called coach components
for the next 7 years/ 75-105Kmiles? Half that? 10x that?

We hear of people with No Repairs Ever, and then we see stories here
and there (mainly here) that do NOT bode well. We are undaunted (we
know we must do this), but wondering . . . Has that fearless little
Kubota engine and VW chassis been holding up OK out there? Better than
OK? And all them genuine Winnebago parts?

Any opinions, tepid or rabid, are welcome. We have the next 24 hours
to make our minds up. It just seems like a lot on top of a whole of
money, you know?

Ray & Mary Ellen wrote:

Here we are, toes over the edge, just about to plunge into a new EVC:
Is it worth $1200-1800 to have a "platinum" ext service plan that
allegedly covers "everything" including all so-called coach components
for the next 7 years/ 75-105Kmiles? Half that? 10x that?

We hear of people with No Repairs Ever, and then we see stories here
and there (mainly here) that do NOT bode well. We are undaunted (we
know we must do this), but wondering . . . Has that fearless little
Kubota engine

Excuse me, did you say Kubota engine? In a EVC??

and VW chassis been holding up OK out there? Better than
OK? And all them genuine Winnebago parts?

Any opinions, tepid or rabid, are welcome. We have the next 24 hours
to make our minds up.

24 hours seems hard to believe. It sounds like they are being pretty strong.
I think I would tell them I need more than a day to make up my mind.

It just seems like a lot on top of a whole of
money, you know?

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My 2 cents is to go for an extended warranty. I just had my transmission
replaced, at 10,000 miles, under warranty. I think that's a $5000 item.
Under warranty I also had one of my automatic window motors replaced. Seems
like there are potentially alot of costly repairs out there. But I don't
think the warranty is worth $1200 to $1800. In my opinion this is a BIG
profit item for the dealer. I'd take it for $400 or $500. Have the dealer
show you his cost on the item.

The Winnebago stuff so far has been trouble free.

Steve
'99 EVC (in Germany)

definately dont take the warranty for cost . Beleive me i used to be a VW
salesman(god I hated that job)

The extended warranty issue got debated somewhat extensively a few
months ago, and I don't remember that there was a clear winner.
Generally, those who have either the highest degree of confidence in VW
quality or in their own mechanical abilities seem to think the warranty
is a waste of money. One thing IS clear: IF you need a repair, it is
likely to be expensive, because there just aren't enough EVs in
circulation to justify real competition in aftermarket parts.

My advice: 1) read the fine print to make sure it REALLY covers what
you expect; 2) negotiate the cost down, and the length of coverage up,
as far as you can (keeping in mind that you've already got 2yrs/24k
bumper2bumper and 50k powertrain coverage and the warranty periods will
probably run concurrently, not consecutively); 3) if you get the
warranty, be meticulous about maintenance and use the warranty ASAP for
everything it covers; and 4) be prepared for someone to say some day
that the warranty doesn't cover owner abuse/neglect and that the
problem you came in for was caused by abuse/neglect.

Personally, I think $1,200-$1,800 is too much, but a lot depends on
your plans for the EVC. It is much easier to justify if you're
committed to keeping the EVC for the long term and you're not the DIY
type. On the other hand, someone who likes to trade cars often and
makes the smallest possible down payment should be wary of the hit to
his/her "equity" in the vehicle.

My 97 EVC has held up well through 31k miles of what I'd call
"moderate" use as our "second car" and for a few long trips.
Mechanically, the only problems have been that the plug wires ($110
aftermarket, $250 VW) and ignition coil pack failed after 24k miles,
but VW agreed to cover the coil pack anyway (a $350 part, + $105
labor). The engine still ran when this happened, but not very
smoothly. As for the camping equipment, after the initial bugs were
worked out, everything's been pretty good. The refrigerator has a 2yr
warranty from Norcold and seems to need a fair amount of upkeep that
isn't particularly simple to do yourself. Mine needed service under
warranty (just barely) that would otherwise have cost about $400. I
consider these relatively minor problems, but if you total them up, I'd
be closing in on the cost of the warranty, if not for fortunate timing,
and I've got a lot of miles to go.

Good luck.

Joel Funk
97 EVC

"ray & mary ellen" <racook-@...> wrote:

Here we are, toes over the edge, just about to plunge into a new EVC:
Is it worth $1200-1800 to have a "platinum" ext service plan that
allegedly covers "everything" including all so-called coach components
for the next 7 years/ 75-105Kmiles? Half that? 10x that?

We hear of people with No Repairs Ever, and then we see stories here
and there (mainly here) that do NOT bode well. We are undaunted (we
know we must do this), but wondering . . . Has that fearless little
Kubota engine and VW chassis been holding up OK out there? Better

than

OK? And all them genuine Winnebago parts?

Any opinions, tepid or rabid, are welcome. We have the next 24 hours
to make our minds up. It just seems like a lot on top of a whole of
money, you know?

-Remember "FahrVergnuegen?" The subject line on this thread should
probably now read "FinanzVergnuegen" (sorry-can't find the 'umlaut'
key) Non-numeric folks beware. It sounds like for the long-haul/100K+
owner it makes sense at some lesser price, like maybe $800.

-Thank you, Joel Funk and Steve Wertheim, for the wisdom of your
counsel. Yeah, there MUST be padding in the $1500+/-$300 (the rough
range from "$100deductable,7yr/75Kmi,NoPriceGuarantee" option to the
"$0deductible,7yr/105Kmi,FullPriceGuarantee" option.

-ANOTHER TWIST is that there is a "FULL PRICE GUARANTEE" to be
considered as well: Say you buy the 105,000 miles and 7 years and have
a flawless experience (like you do not place ANY claim for repair
coverage) - they SAY you just request your warranty price refunded when
you hit the end of the term (mileage or years).

-Almost like it puts it on you to strategize whether you are going to
go in for the $300 repair or not, since your $1800 hangs in the balance
until you actually make your first claim. We call it
"FinanzVergnuegen." Place your bets...

"steven wertheim" <werthei-@...> wrote:
original article:

My 2 cents is to go for an extended warranty. I just had my

transmission

replaced, at 10,000 miles, under warranty. I think that's a $5000

item.

Under warranty I also had one of my automatic window motors replaced.

Seems

like there are potentially alot of costly repairs out there. But I

don't

think the warranty is worth $1200 to $1800. In my opinion this is a

BIG

profit item for the dealer. I'd take it for $400 or $500. Have the

dealer

show you his cost on the item.

The Winnebago stuff so far has been trouble free.

Steve
'99 EVC (in Germany)

----- Original Message -----
From: Ray & Mary Ellen <racooke@...>
To: <ev_update@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 4:27 AM
Subject: [ev_update] Worth >$1500 for 7yr/105K mi EVC Repairs?

Here we are, toes over the edge, just about to plunge into a new

EVC:

Is it worth $1200-1800 to have a "platinum" ext service plan that
allegedly covers "everything" including all so-called coach

components

for the next 7 years/ 75-105Kmiles? Half that? 10x that?

We hear of people with No Repairs Ever, and then we see stories here
and there (mainly here) that do NOT bode well. We are undaunted (we
know we must do this), but wondering . . . Has that fearless little
Kubota engine and VW chassis been holding up OK out there? Better

than

OK? And all them genuine Winnebago parts?

Any opinions, tepid or rabid, are welcome. We have the next 24

hours

to make our minds up. It just seems like a lot on top of a whole of
money, you know?

I purchased a 2000 EVC on 2/21/00 at Williams Auto World, Lansing Michigan.
The dealer offered me an extended warranty 7yr/100k miles for approx $1400.
He said I can purchase the warranty for that price until 6/1/00 (claims his
price increases in June). He also said that I can purchase the warranty any
time before 24months/24k miles (but price may be higher after June). Sounds
like a lot of money to me so I am going to wait and see how things go for a
year or so.

I think the name of the company that offers the warranty is CNA?, I will
check. My experience with any and every new car purchase is that companies
will send you offers in the mail to extend warranties. The trick is to get
them to pay.

Blaine

Thanks, Blaine. Now that you said that, we also found a web source
(warrantydirect.com) that <looks> identical for less: like the coverage
language is exactly the same as the paperwork from the dealer, down to
the headings, subheadings, and paragraphs. One option the dealer
offered for $1200 looks like $900 there -- and that was our first web
shopping stop, there may be more. I also noticed from past postings
that the restrictions (like only internally lubricated parts of engine,
must show documentation for lube products and labor used at exact
intervals, etc) look pretty severe. And that Price Guaranty looks
weirder and weirder. On the other hand the repairs are spendy, so if
they do cover you it could be good. Based on an unscientific sample,
so far <noone on the list seems to have opted for it AND exercised the
warranty> to show a good or bad outcome. It's breaking new ground, to
some extent.

"ray & mary ellen" <racook-@...> wrote:
original article:

-Remember "FahrVergnuegen?" The subject line on this thread should
probably now read "FinanzVergnuegen" (sorry-can't find the 'umlaut'
key) Non-numeric folks beware. It sounds like for the long-haul/100K+
owner it makes sense at some lesser price, like maybe $800.

-Thank you, Joel Funk and Steve Wertheim, for the wisdom of your
counsel. Yeah, there MUST be padding in the $1500+/-$300 (the rough
range from "$100deductable,7yr/75Kmi,NoPriceGuarantee" option to the
"$0deductible,7yr/105Kmi,FullPriceGuarantee" option.

-ANOTHER TWIST is that there is a "FULL PRICE GUARANTEE" to be
considered as well: Say you buy the 105,000 miles and 7 years and

have

a flawless experience (like you do not place ANY claim for repair
coverage) - they SAY you just request your warranty price refunded

when

you hit the end of the term (mileage or years).

-Almost like it puts it on you to strategize whether you are going to
go in for the $300 repair or not, since your $1800 hangs in the

balance

until you actually make your first claim. We call it
"FinanzVergnuegen." Place your bets...

"steven wertheim" <werthei-@...> wrote:
original article:

My 2 cents is to go for an extended warranty. I just had my

transmission

replaced, at 10,000 miles, under warranty. I think that's a $5000

item.

Under warranty I also had one of my automatic window motors

replaced.

Seems

like there are potentially alot of costly repairs out there. But I

don't

think the warranty is worth $1200 to $1800. In my opinion this is a

BIG

profit item for the dealer. I'd take it for $400 or $500. Have the

dealer

show you his cost on the item.

The Winnebago stuff so far has been trouble free.

Steve
'99 EVC (in Germany)

----- Original Message -----
From: Ray & Mary Ellen <racooke@...>
To: <ev_update@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 4:27 AM
Subject: [ev_update] Worth >$1500 for 7yr/105K mi EVC Repairs?

Here we are, toes over the edge, just about to plunge into a new

EVC:

Is it worth $1200-1800 to have a "platinum" ext service plan that
allegedly covers "everything" including all so-called coach

components

for the next 7 years/ 75-105Kmiles? Half that? 10x that?

We hear of people with No Repairs Ever, and then we see stories

here

and there (mainly here) that do NOT bode well. We are undaunted

(we

know we must do this), but wondering . . . Has that fearless

little

Kubota engine and VW chassis been holding up OK out there? Better

than

OK? And all them genuine Winnebago parts?

Any opinions, tepid or rabid, are welcome. We have the next 24

hours

to make our minds up. It just seems like a lot on top of a whole

of

money, you know?