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Re: Wireless Camera repair
wn4isx
Is the screw on connector mounted on the PCB or is there a jumper?
Most cameras I've worked with have a short, 5" or so, jumper with a press on RF connector on the PCB.
A few have the SMA directly on the BCB and the center connector can come unsoldered or the trace to it break. The break can be so microscopic it might be impossible to see, ohm out with a meter on low ohms, I'd use the diode measurement function.
Good luck. These things can drive a man to distraction.
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Re: Wireless Camera repair
开云体育I will see if I can get into the camera and post pics of what I find or see inside. I probably have the correct tools to get into it as I have some gun tool kits that have an assortment of bits along with other large plastic box kits with various bits. I think I already mentioned I tried a new antenna and this camera uses a screw on type like a coax cable. I will post back when I know more. Thanks On 3/1/2025 2:39 PM, wn4isx via
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Re: Batteries
On Sunday 02 March 2025 01:49:59 am Andy via groups.io wrote:
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 01:30 PM, wn4isx wrote:That may be changing, we'll see.If rumors are to be believed (I know, there's a major problem with that), then some brands are considerably better than others in this respect. I went through a period where I tried all sorts of brands. Dollar store brands, etc. And I arrive at the conclusion that the name brands like Duracell and Eveready would last longer than any of those other ones. Yeah, you can get a whole big honkin' box of those other ones fairly cheaply, but who wants to be bothered with changing them more often? I used to favor Duracell, but they had a period of time where they seemed to be more prone to leakage. These days if you look at the battery rack in the front of a Wal-Mart near the registers, it's pretty much more Eveready than anything else. OTOH, I have a couple of Duracell D size that I pulled out of a magliite flashlight after realizing that they'd been in there close to a decade and a half, There's a date of "MAR 2013" on them And they still test good! The YT channel "Project Farm" does all sorts of comparison tests on a lot of stuff, and he did one video comparing different brands, some of which I'd never heard of. He arrived at the conclusion that lithium was the way to go, that they didn't leak, and offered better performance than any of the alkaline cells that were out there. One time when I was still in high school I picked up a "glow plug" at a hobby shop, the sort of thing you'd use for a model airplane engine. And just for the heck of it I connected it up to a AA alkaline cell, and sure enough that little heating element glowed. So I got curious and measured the current. I was really surprised to see that it was over an amp! I had no idea that you could pull that much out of one of those.... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin |
Re: Batteries
On Sunday 02 March 2025 01:29:11 am Andy via groups.io wrote:
On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 04:03 PM, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:You don't need to cut anything open. Just grab one corner of the sheet metal where it joins with a pair of needle nosed pliers, and twist. Keep going like that and eventually you peel all of the metal off. Early 9V batteries had six smallish rectangular cells stacked, but the current alkaline ones have six AAAA cells standing up.The only place I've ever seen AAAA being used was in laser pointers. AndMy wife has something that uses one.? I think it goes with her tablet.? From about 5 years ago. I don't have anything around here that uses them. Some stuff here uses AAA, which is annoying enough. Going from AAA to AA you get almost 3 times the power out of it... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin |
Re: Wireless Camera repair
On Saturday 01 March 2025 03:39:00 pm wn4isx via groups.io wrote:
If you can open the case, many security devices use "odd" screws, you might find the antenna connector popped loose. Most of these connectors are press fit and not 'real' microwave cables.Harbor Freight has a set of bits like that too. They've pretty much covered my needs when I encounter some of that weird stuff. I try not to do business with amazon to the extent possible. :-) -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin |
Re: Batteries
开云体育One more battery detail: Pagers (beepers) used N-cells and later AA-cels.? Mercury cells were popular with the much longer life. I collected dead cells and recovered the mercury that I then refined. Designing the RF and IF sections was not easy.? From the single cell, there was a linear regulator so only 0.975V was available at a couple of mA. Bertho |
Re: Batteries
wn4isx
On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 10:48 AM, wn4isx wrote:
I wrote:
They started out dry but the electrolyte was replaced with magnesium dioxide and they became 'dry.' That should have been?
They started out wet but the electrolyte was replaced with magnesium dioxide and they became 'dry.'
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Re: Batteries
wn4isx
Nobody but engineers and chemists called them by their proper name.
Leclanché cells were the first practical "dry cell." They started out dry but the electrolyte was replaced with magnesium dioxide and they became 'dry.' [damp really] Of course "as deployed" they were quite different from the original and featured additions/modifications by several people.
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/zinc-carbon-battery
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I took a class in the "physics of electrical cells" in 'university' and learned the proper name.
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Most of us called them carbon-zinc batteries being ignorant that a battery is a collection of cells.
I cringe when I hear people call a "D" cell a battery.
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You can actually recharge carbon-zinc/Leclanché cells. They don't recharge all that well, the only place I could see the process being worthwhile was for a night watchman, use one set and recharge the other.
Going from a vague memory, each recharge lost about 5% of capacity. Typically recharging ended when the process ate through the zinc shell.
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There was a long series of letters to the editor in one of the magazines about how to improve charging.
One thing that appeared to have helped was to have about 10% reverse charge during the process.
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Everready [or one of the battery companies] actually sold a commercial charger.
I don't think you can recharge alkaline cells at all. even charging the carbon-zinc was a loss leader.
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The university class was interesting because it helped me understand "Primary batteries are burning metal to produce electricity." Not exactly accurate but it gets the idea across. We visited Oak Ridge and saw a liquid sodium battery. Good energy to weight ratio but molten sodium is pretty energetic if there is a leak.
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At the time, silver-cadmium had the best, as in highest energy to weight ratio, they were prone to memory just like nickle-cadmium but handled temperature extremes better. Of course they were somewhere so far beyond obscene expensive only the military and NASA could use them. The US Navy OSCAR series used them. The Nike' Zeus missile defense missiles would have also used them.?
[Been to one Nike' Zeus as they demolished it. Interesting site.]?
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Note: The Navy OSCAR and amateur Oscar only share names and have nothing else but being satellites in common.
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Re: Batteries
开云体育It appears to me that the alkaline batteries have gotten worse.? Presumably thinner shell to save money and increased performance. It also appears that the free carbon-zinc batteries from China leak less.? They do not push the life/performance issue. Regardless, I have switched to rechargeable Enelope cells.? I have not had a leak yet after many years. Bertho ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy via groups.io
Sent: 2 March, 2025 1:50 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [electronics101] Batteries ? On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 01:30 PM, wn4isx wrote:
If rumors are to be believed (I know, there's a major problem with that), then some brands are considerably better than others in this respect. ? I have been warned never to buy name-brand "X" because they almost always leak, whereas name-brand "Y" rarely does.? I have heard that said by several people, which suggests there is some truth to it. ? At the same time, though, I would expect that it is a "moving target", and what was the best advice 5 or 10 years ago, is probably meaningless today, as the name brands frequently change their suppliers. ? It used to be simpler when we knew things were manufactured domestically by the company with the name on the box, by?the same factories and people over long periods of time.? But I digress. ? Andy ? |
Re: Batteries
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 01:30 PM, wn4isx wrote:
If rumors are to be believed (I know, there's a major problem with that), then some brands are considerably better than others in this respect.
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I have been warned never to buy name-brand "X" because they almost always leak, whereas name-brand "Y" rarely does.? I have heard that said by several people, which suggests there is some truth to it.
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At the same time, though, I would expect that it is a "moving target", and what was the best advice 5 or 10 years ago, is probably meaningless today, as the name brands frequently change their suppliers.
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It used to be simpler when we knew things were manufactured domestically by the company with the name on the box, by?the same factories and people over long periods of time.? But I digress.
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Re: Batteries
I've heard of "wet cells" versus "dry cells".? That Wikipedia article suggests that Leclanche cells would be called "wet cells" and were not the same as the normal "dry cells" that were commonly available in the USA before Alkalines.? It seems as if Leclanche cells petered out from common usage (in the USA) decades before Alkalines arrived and took over.
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Re: Batteries
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 01:30 PM, wn4isx wrote:
Really?? So what you're saying is that all the carbon/zinc batteries that everyone around here (USA) used for decades before Alkalines came out, were actually Leclanche cells.? Then why didn't they - why didn't ANYONE - ever call them that? ?
Was it strictly an eastern Kentucky thing where they were called Leclanche?
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That's odd, the Wikipedia page about Leclanche cells does not seem to suggest that they were the common ordinary carbon/zinc batteries everyone used before Alkalines.? Are you sure you have that right?
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Re: Batteries
On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 04:03 PM, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
The only place I've ever seen AAAA being used was in laser pointers. And you can get 'em by siassembling a 9V, cheaper than buying them as AAAA...My wife has something that uses one.? I think it goes with her tablet.? From about 5 years ago. ?
I got replacement AAAA cells at either CVS or the local grocery store.? They were relatively cheap at about $3 for a packet of 2 or 4.? Maybe that isn't cheap by everyone's standards, but it was good enough for me.? I think it would cost more to buy a pair of 9V batteries and cut them open, if that is really where you got yours from.
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Re: Batteries
wn4isx
Nice! I've never met a flashlight I didn't fall in love with. I have some Soviet flashlights, varnished cardboard tubes and reflector and the glass has rough edges like it was snipped from window glass.
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A funny story about flashlights. ? Kentucky might be called "the land of caves." There are caves all over the place. ? Mammoth Cave, and private nearby caves, are famous. ? Floyd Collins was trapped in a cave and the coast to coast radio coverage mesmerized the nation. [he was an idiot, there was a back way out.] ? While I was born in Eastern Kentucky I lived in Central Kentucky from the tender age of 3 months on. ? When I was 6 the older boys talked me into exploring a cave under a mansion that was being torn down. We came to a large room with many tunnels going off in every direction. ? They brought me because I had 3 flashlights. ? In college a classmate was fascinated by the Underground Railroad and had diaries that mentioned how runaway slaves would use the caves in Central Kentucky as part of the underground railroad. ? According to her diaries, you could go from Versailles road (Kenland Race track) to Russell's cave underground. ? And nope never had the chance to go the full route, but I did go on parts and have no doubts in 1850 it was possible for a dedicated person to make it all the way. ? I've been in over a dozen private caves. ? [It's OK everyone knew I didn't have a lot of common sense anyway.] ? My wife is claustrophobic in a way that makes my acrophobia look like a mild dislike. I was shocked when she decided we were going to Carter Caves. ? She girded her loins and we went through all the guided cave tours. There is another cave that is self tour. You have to check in at the ranger station and they insist everyone in your party must have a flashlight. ? The lady was nice and said "We really like for people to have a spare flashlight." ? So I started pulling out flashlights and told her to say "when enough is enough." ? I had 20. ? My wife only had 6. [the slacker] ? The lady sort of freaked "We've never had anyone with that many flashlights!" ? I didn't have the heart to tell her I had spare bulbs and batteries. I might well die in a cave but it probably won't be in the dark. ? Don't get me wrong, I am not afraid of the dark, it's just I'm not a bat that works with echolocation, in my view of reality, God gave me eyes to use. ? I mentioned in another post how I'd swipe my Dad's WWII flashlight and hide in closets. I was less then clear. Yep I liked making light in the dark, but I could sit in the dark for hours and not worry in the least. ? I wish the same could be said for my poor mother. She eventually accepted "The doors are locked, the windows latched, he's in here someplace. I could curl up in places you'd swear no human child could possible fit. ? I also still have some luminescent plastic toy soldiers from back then that glow in the dark. I could sit there for hours and watch the light decay, then blast them with the flashlight and instant bright glow.? ? ? But one of my favorite all time memories was the look of utter disbelief as I started laying flashlights on the check out counter. The ranger was shocked speechless. [I've often had that effect on people] ? ? Of course I have been caught without a flashlight a time or two when I needed one, really needed one. ? You change the fuel pump by feel in a 1968 VW bug at 3:00AM in the Red River Gorge Nature Preserve, on a moonless night, with nothing but starlight. Those 2 13mm nuts and hose clamps are soo much fun words fail me. ? [My wife is reading over my shoulder and just had a severe attack of the giggles. The wench.] ? Starlight is actually brighter then you might suppose .... after your eyes adjust. Not bright mind you, but you can sort of almost make out your hand. ? One time I changed the fuel pump with the light from an HP-35 sat to display all 8s for "maximum light." It was so much better then starlight. ? One might think I'd either have had flashlight or added an under the hood light. Nope, not that wise. ? I now carry 3 LED flashlights, spare batteries, have a LED light bar under the hood and in the trunk. ? Of course the chances of me being in Red River Gorge at 3:00AM are rather remote now that I'm 73 and the Gorge is filled with drunken druggies. I don't know enough people with enough firepower to make a 3:00AM pit stop safe. ? And changing the fuel pump in a modern car is no casual undertaking. ? Such is life. ? ? I made an "el cheapo" night vision device. I picked up a new in the box Android phone "virtual reality headset." ? Now I have about as much use for a gaming accessory as I do a hard hit upside the head. ? But, you can carefully drill a hole so your camera phone lens can see out. Illuminate the dark area with IR LEDs and viola instant sort of night vision device. Of course there is zero depth perception. But, as proof of concept is was sort of neat, all the more so because the VR headset cost me all of $5. [I'm cheap.] ? And I have IR illuminators, boy do I have IR illuminators. A 60 X 60 aray that draws 2 amps. It's deep IR so you can't see it with the naked eye but your smart phone would love it. ? I also have a slew of surplus 30 IR LEDs mounted on a ring to go around a closed circuit TV camera lens. ? So I can flood an area with IR. ? ? ? A friend wants a night vision headset with a crossbow equipped with an IR laser pointer. Robert always was a tad strange. ? ? ? |
Re: Batteries
开云体育Noone has mentioned the flat 4.5 V flashlight battery.? It was very common when I was growing up in Sweden. The size was 65 x 60 x 23mm and fit nicely in a pocket. See: Often the lamp was at the end, not sideways. ? The other flashlight I remember was hand-powered by squeezing a lever.? There was no battery, so it was a hand exerciser. It fit nicely in the hand.? Not like the models sold with and external crank to turn. ? Bertho |
Re: Wireless Camera repair
wn4isx
If you can open the case, many security devices use "odd" screws, you might find the antenna connector popped loose. Most of these connectors are press fit and not 'real' microwave cables.
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Amazon has tool kits with drivers for most security screws. I bought one for ~$10 and it's been extremely helpful in opening stuff the manufacturer didn't want outsiders to open. I've also used a drill for really odd screws when I really wanted to get inside a case.
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Wireless Camera repair
I have a Lorex wireless security system that uses it's own receiver for the outdoor wireless cameras. I just recently had another camera appear to fail but I can "pair" it with the receiver if I am within about 5 feet of it. Then as I move the camera away it loses connection. I replaced it with a new spare camera and problem solved. My question is can the camera possibly be repaired by me and what is the possibility it is just a bad capacitor or some other common component that would cause the limited range? I haven't opened it up yet but I just wanted to know if it is beyond repair or possibly fixable?
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Re: Batteries
wn4isx
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 10:04 AM, Dan Kahn wrote:
There were 4 "F" cells inside the lantern battery case. You can still buy them (at least as of 2023) but almost all had 4 "D" cells with a spacer at the bottom. I used the lantern batteries with screw terminals for all sorts of experiments as a kid. The only thing better was the big "ignition" cells used in school science classes. My dad bought me a dozen and they powered my early transistor experiments for 5 or 6 years, until my uncle built an adjustable regulated AC mains powered power supply for me. ?
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Re: Batteries
wn4isx
I must have made a typo I meant Leclanché cell.
Up until alkaline cells replaced the Leclanché, the Leclanché was the standard "D" "C" "AA" 9V.
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Alkalines offer increased capacity (ma/Hours), lower internal resistance, longer shelf life, less likely to leak.
The "less likely to leak" has become a joke, all the major brands now leak long before their use by date.
I'm not sure what happened, I'd have thought materials science would have come up with better seals, but clearly that isn't the case. I now use primary lithiums (and pay through the nose) in equipment I care about.
Most people think "D" "C" "AA" 9V all leak acid, they leak an alkaline similar to lye, a lot weaker but it will still corrode the daylights out of electronics.
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Oh you can still purchase Leclanché cells /9V batteries at Krogers. I suspect most big stores will have them. They are a bit cheaper than alkaline. You'll have to look around the battery rack, at the local Krogers they are sort of hidden.? |
Re: Batteries
My father wore a hearing air starting in the late 30's. I recall him having a 45 volt and 1.5 volt battery that he would put in his right rear pocket. These powered the vacuum tubes in the aid. When he had pants hemmed, that leg was always cut 2" shorter to compensate for the weight of the batteries. He did have a charger I recall as a big black object with perforated metal encasing the whole thing. Because his hearing loss was 93 dB, it took until the 60's to transition to a transistor based aid. Dan Kahn On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 08:17:47 PM EST, Andy via groups.io <ai.egrps@...> wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 08:50 AM, wn4isx wrote:
My vague recollection was around 45 V.? But you might have two in series, for 90 V.? I am not sure but I think that was what our AC/DC radio had. ? Or maybe if you used 22.5 batteries, then two made 45 and four got you to 90 V. ? The Wikipedia page suggests that the old B-size battery was 45 V. ?
All the lanterns I saw in that time period had the big 6 V battery with square cross-section and rounded corners, significant height (maybe 1.5 times as tall as they were across), and springs on the top for contacts.? As of a few years ago, you could still purchase them. ? Andy ? |