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4:1 HP ratio?


buehnerjl
 

Anyone,<br><br>Why exactly is there a 4:1 ratio of diesel HP to electric HP? I do not quite understand why I could get by with a 10hp electric motor in lieu of a 40 hp combustion motor.<br><br>James


thumphrey
 

Simply because Electric motors HP are rated at
the constant speed/load they were designed for while
ICE's are rated for their peak HP.<br><br>For example
some of the EV Drag racers use the ADC 9" motor. This
is rated I believe, for 28.5 HP. However, during a
race it is not uncommon for them to hit 240 HP or
more, they won't last very long at this power level
though., Then again an ICE won't either although it will
usually last longer than an electric(at these
levels).<br><br>It is generally believed that you can run an
electric at twice its power continuous and you will run
out of battery before the motor dies. (I have no
experience with this, I remember reading it somewhere.)


donaldbaer
 

Theres actualy a lot more to it than was
previously stated. First of all the motors we are using are
constant torque devises. An internal combustion engine is
not. IC engines only develop torque in a very narrow
RPM range. HP= Torque x RPM / K. If a 1 HP 4 Pole
electric motor is rated a 36 inch lbs of torque it will
develop .25 HP at 430 RPM, .5 Hp at 825 RPM and 1 HP at
1750. An IC engione cannot do that. It will have very
low torque excet at it peak speed.<br> I hope this
helps.


p4w_jf
 

Notes from the P4W project
journal<br><br>Comparing HP:<br>In considering a replacement motor for the
Cal 29 the amount of HP required quickly became
confusing when trying to consider motor choices other than
fossil fuel, such as electric. Direct HP comparison was
not close, so the questions became why, and what
power am I loosing if I don't have matching HP?
<br><br>This bothered me for a while, especially when seeking
recommendations, I was constantly met with encouragement to stay
with a proper sized diesel or gas system. I could see
clearly that HP was and is the perceived 'common
currency' for the measure of power and a standard not to be
messed with. I agreed HP is important, but I needed a
better picture of what it was representing. So I began
to explore its role as 'common currency' in a
financial model. To me the role of HP became clearer. Treat
HP and RPM as gross revenue components and solve for
the net result (power at the prop). <br><br>This
exercise focused my attention on the role of two items RPM
and torque. I saw there was a significant difference
in the "top line" RPM number, produced at the motor
and RPM delivered to or needed at the prop, "bottom
line". <br><br>This helped build my understanding of
specifications for my new motor. In my case, the motor would
need to produce a range of 1000 -1200 RPM at the prop,
and torque of 21 foot pounds. To most experts this is
a given, and can be seen in the original boat
owners guide. But it becomes very important in searching
for a motor based on net results at the prop vs.
shopping for a motor focused on HP. <br><br>Long story
short, respect HP ratings, but focus on net results,
sustainable power at the prop. <br><br>Once motor candidates
are identified, then a separate review of fuel source
and power management can be undertaken.<br><br>I was
successful in identifying a few electric motors that met my
filter, and reduced it to one based on sustainable torque
delivery, regeneration and housing built for the marine
environment.


Bill_McManus
 

So??? You left out the punchline. What type and size of motor did you get?


donaldbaer
 

Getting back to physics. The formula HP=Torque x
RPM/K if the torque is given in ft lbs the K=5252. If
the torque is given in in.lbs then K=63025. <br>"In
my case, the motor would need to produce a range of
1000 -1200 RPM at the prop, and torque of 21 foot
pounds. "<br><br>21 ft lbs x 1200 RPM's/5252 = 4.8 HP Use
a 5 HP motor and belt it in for Max motor speed =
to 1200 RPM's at the shaft. If the motor delevops
1750 RPM at 36 Volts then use a 1.48:1 belt ratio
between the motor and the shaft on a 36 Volt system.


p4w_jf
 

The motor I've installed is 6HP, from Solomon
Technologies. <br><br>A side note, Wednesday I stopped by the
Tour de Sol electric car rally. Saw about twenty cars,
it was interesting to see how complex and bulky many
of the engine systems were in comparison to my STI
install. <br><br>I have several install photos to share,
let me know if you would like them
posted.<br><br>I'll be off line til Tuesday.<br><br>Have a good
weekend.