Re: Looking to Purchase an Electric Boat
Hi, Power or sail, Size, Range expected would be helpful. Although I think i saw one today on electricmarina.com. Fair winds. Lee Chrystal Marsh Specialty HVAC LTD Box 5061 STN Main Leduc Alberta T9E-6L5 Cell: (780) 975-6801 ?
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Subject: [electricboats] Looking to Purchase an Electric Boat? Hi, does anyone have any suggestions on where I can buy a used GOOD QUALITY electric boat for a good price?
Also open to hearing offers.
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Re: Looking to Purchase an Electric Boat
You did not say what type of size boat you are looking for, but YachtWorld now has a FuelType of electric in its advanced search setting. So it should be pretty easy to get a list of electric boats for sale, once you enter In your other requirements :?
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On May 20, 2020, at 9:34 PM, abners@... wrote:
? Hi, does anyone have any suggestions on where I can buy a used GOOD QUALITY electric boat for a good price?
Also open to hearing offers.
Thanks
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Re: Looking to Purchase an Electric Boat
where are you located. what type of water and ranger/speed are you looking for?
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 6:34:13 p.m. PDT, abners@... <abners@...> wrote:
Hi, does anyone have any suggestions on where I can buy a used GOOD QUALITY electric boat for a good price?
Also open to hearing offers.
Thanks
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Re: Looking to Purchase an Electric Boat
What are your waters?? I have an electric propelled Redwing 18 Iaunch for sale..? If you give me an email, I've got plenty of photos. Glenn Holland/NC gholland1@... ----------------------------------------- From: abners@... To: [email protected]Cc: Sent: Wednesday May 20 2020 9:34:12PM Subject: [electricboats] Looking to Purchase an Electric Boat Hi, does anyone have any suggestions on where I can buy a used GOOD QUALITY electric boat for a good price?
Also open to hearing offers.
Thanks
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Looking to Purchase an Electric Boat
Hi, does anyone have any suggestions on where I can buy a used GOOD QUALITY electric boat for a good price?
Also open to hearing offers.
Thanks
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(Real quick, I think that Bryan at Valley prop)
For anyone looking to match a prop for your boat, check out and there is a link for calculators.? Fill in your boat's features (Thunderstruck 10k RPM max is 2400) and 13HP.? This will get you close.? I don't know what exactly we would change on this calculation to be more of a match for the electric motor but it uses the horsepower, gear ratio and rpm (I believe) to arrive at Total available torque ft/lbs at the engine, power loss at the gear and Total horsepower at the propeller and torque ft/lbs at the propeller.? I assume they did their formula?based on a combustion engine and it does not ask that question.? It also assumes the desired speed should be achieved at 90% of the throttle in that combustion engine.??
For all you electric motor guys what are your thoughts on what the difference would be for the electric motor and how it would effect these calculations?? Electric motors are supposed to have more torque right?? Would that mean a propeller better adapted would have a 10% larger diameter for the same effect, a 5% higher pitch or the opposite?? Is it better economy in amps to spin the motor slower with more resistance or higher with less resistance or is it a wash and either way exerts the same energy?? Seems like if it's equal, slower would be less wear and tear on bearings etc.
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 12:17 AM theresa Montya < montyakid@...> wrote: Tom, thanks for sharing. I’ve been thinking we need to get a new prop too. We have a 1979, 27 ‘ hunter about 7,000 displacement.? Spring break 2019 we went electric using ?the 10 kw Motor from thunder struck... I feel our big gal is a little wimpy when we’re backing out of our slip and fighting a little wind..(we jokingly call it the harbor parade). ?? All that said we do love being electric... it’s been very reliable and gets us where we need and that makes me very happy.? I plan to talk to your prop guy.
Theresa & Jay from Texas On May 18, 2020, at 1:54 PM, tom@... wrote:
? ?I bought a prop from Ryan at Valley prop in California to replace the original two bladed prop from the diesel on my 1980 O’Day 30’. The new prop is a 15” 9.5 pitch three blade. I’ve got the Thunderstruck 10KW kit with 4 12 volt AGM batteries.? The new prop is like night and day in terms of propulsion efficiency.? I thank whoever told me about Valley Prop and recommend them.
tom@...850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.? 78B Ricker Ave.? Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida underground utility contractor license RU0058046 Florida plumbing contractor license RF0057995
?On this subject I think I’m about to pull the trigger on a prop.? I have an email out to the prop guys in California Bob mentioned to see what they say.? But here’s my thinking...
I have only been on two trips that had overnight sails.? On both of them I picked up crab traps.? I used to have a full keel monohull and never suffered such a thing.? Now I realize everyone’s pain.? I seriously want to bet a folding prop.? Reading some reviews it looks like Flexofold is the best folding prop out there.? My current prop is a two blade 18”.? Not sure of the pitch.? I plan on moving to the 3:1 reduction from my current 2:1.
The highest pitch flexofold offers is 16 for the 18”.? It’s expensive for sure but slipping by the crab traps would be much more desirable.? Questions are whether the pitch is enough and and will the 3:1 work well with the 18” prop.
Motor is the Thunderstruck 12kw 48v The current 3 kt performance has to go.
Larry On Mar 7, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:
? Part of the problem with heading into a 15 knot wind with gusts...? ?First off it's a sailboat, they get blown around while motoring.? Secondly, you just don't have enough headway.? Unlike our ICE counterparts you're in a boat that utilizes an electric drive so like all of us, you're light on the throttle in order to extend range. Ask me how I know this :)
Prop, on my 28', currently running a 4 bladed 12x12.5 meant for a wakeboard boat. I started out with a 14x10 3 bladed. Imo, get rid of that 2 bladed prop. On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 5:31 PM < tom@...> wrote: I’ve got an O’Day 30’ with a Thunderstruck 10K motor, 2:1 reduction and 4 AGM batteries.? I’ve got the original 16” pitch 9, 2 blade prop that was powered by a 16HP Universal when the boat was built. I’m convinced there must be something more efficient. I can’t even maintain a course into a 15mph wind. ?I’m with Jeff looking for suggestions
tom@...850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.? 78B Ricker Ave.? Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida underground utility contractor license RU0058046 Florida plumbing contractor license RF0057995
-- Larry Brown S/V Trident Palm Harbor, FL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~ ? ? ~ ? ? ~ ? ? ? ? ?~~ ? ? ? ? ? ~ ~ ? ? ? ? ? ~~_/) ? ?~ ? ? ?~ ~ ? ? ? ?~ ? ? ?~ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?_/) ? ? ? ? ?~
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I'm curious about what you have/had for prop size.? I've got a
Catalina 27 that I'm converting to the 10KW kit from Thunderstruck
and yesterday I pulled the boat for bottom work and took a look at
the current prop from a Atomic4 setup.? Prop is a 2 blade and
looks to be about 10 inches.? Its in sad shape and I'm considering
replacing it.
John
On 5/18/2020 11:42 PM, theresa Montya
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Tom, thanks for sharing. I’ve been thinking we need to get a new
prop too. We have a 1979, 27 ‘ hunter about 7,000 displacement.
?Spring break 2019 we went electric using ?the 10 kw Motor from
thunder struck... I feel our big gal is a little wimpy when we’re
backing out of our slip and fighting a little wind..(we jokingly
call it the harbor parade). ??
All that said we do love being electric... it’s been very
reliable and gets us where we need and that makes me very happy.
?I plan to talk to your prop guy.
Theresa & Jay from Texas
On May 18, 2020, at 1:54 PM,
tom@... wrote:
?
?
I bought a prop from Ryan at Valley prop in California to
replace the original two bladed prop from the diesel on my
1980 O’Day 30’. The new prop is a 15” 9.5 pitch three
blade. I’ve got the Thunderstruck 10KW kit with 4 12 volt
AGM batteries. ?The new prop is like night and day in
terms of propulsion efficiency. ?I thank whoever told me
about Valley Prop and recommend them.
tom@...
850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.?
78B Ricker Ave.?
Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida underground
utility contractor license RU0058046
Florida plumbing contractor license RF0057995
?
On this subject I think I’m about to pull the trigger
on a prop. ?I have an email out to the prop guys in
California Bob mentioned to see what they say. ?But
here’s my thinking...
I have only been on two trips that had overnight
sails. ?On both of them I picked up crab traps. ?I
used to have a full keel monohull and never suffered
such a thing. ?Now I realize everyone’s pain. ?I
seriously want to bet a folding prop. ?Reading some
reviews it looks like Flexofold is the best folding
prop out there. ?My current prop is a two blade 18”.
?Not sure of the pitch. ?I plan on moving to the 3:1
reduction from my current 2:1.
The highest pitch flexofold offers is 16 for the
18”. ?It’s expensive for sure but slipping by the
crab traps would be much more desirable. ?Questions
are whether the pitch is enough and and will the 3:1
work well with the 18” prop.
Motor is the Thunderstruck 12kw 48v
The current 3 kt performance has to
go.
Larry
On Mar 7, 2020, at 8:32
PM, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:
?
Part of the problem with heading
into a 15 knot wind with gusts...? ?First off
it's a sailboat, they get blown around while
motoring.?
Secondly, you just don't have
enough headway.? Unlike our ICE counterparts
you're in a boat that utilizes an electric
drive so like all of us, you're light on the
throttle in order to extend range.
Ask me how I know this :)
Prop, on my 28', currently
running a 4 bladed 12x12.5 meant for a
wakeboard boat. I started out with a 14x10 3
bladed. Imo, get rid of that 2 bladed prop.
On Sat, Mar
7, 2020, 5:31 PM < tom@...>
wrote:
I’ve
got an O’Day 30’ with a Thunderstruck
10K motor, 2:1 reduction and 4 AGM
batteries.? I’ve got the original 16”
pitch 9, 2 blade prop that was powered
by a 16HP Universal when the boat was
built. I’m convinced there must be
something more efficient. I can’t even
maintain a course into a 15mph wind. ?
I’m
with Jeff looking for suggestions
tom@...
850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.?
78B Ricker Ave.?
Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida
underground utility contractor
license RU0058046
Florida plumbing contractor
license RF0057995
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Tom, thanks for sharing. I’ve been thinking we need to get a new prop too. We have a 1979, 27 ‘ hunter about 7,000 displacement. ?Spring break 2019 we went electric using ?the 10 kw Motor from thunder struck... I feel our big gal is a little wimpy when we’re backing out of our slip and fighting a little wind..(we jokingly call it the harbor parade). ?? All that said we do love being electric... it’s been very reliable and gets us where we need and that makes me very happy. ?I plan to talk to your prop guy.
Theresa & Jay from Texas
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On May 18, 2020, at 1:54 PM, tom@... wrote:
? ? I bought a prop from Ryan at Valley prop in California to replace the original two bladed prop from the diesel on my 1980 O’Day 30’. The new prop is a 15” 9.5 pitch three blade. I’ve got the Thunderstruck 10KW kit with 4 12 volt AGM batteries. ?The new prop is like night and day in terms of propulsion efficiency. ?I thank whoever told me about Valley Prop and recommend them.
tom@... 850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.? 78B Ricker Ave.? Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida underground utility contractor license RU0058046 Florida plumbing contractor license RF0057995
On May 18, 2020, at 07:07, Larry Brown <elcapitanbrown@...> wrote:
? On this subject I think I’m about to pull the trigger on a prop. ?I have an email out to the prop guys in California Bob mentioned to see what they say. ?But here’s my thinking...
I have only been on two trips that had overnight sails. ?On both of them I picked up crab traps. ?I used to have a full keel monohull and never suffered such a thing. ?Now I realize everyone’s pain. ?I seriously want to bet a folding prop. ?Reading some reviews it looks like Flexofold is the best folding prop out there. ?My current prop is a two blade 18”. ?Not sure of the pitch. ?I plan on moving to the 3:1 reduction from my current 2:1.
The highest pitch flexofold offers is 16 for the 18”. ?It’s expensive for sure but slipping by the crab traps would be much more desirable. ?Questions are whether the pitch is enough and and will the 3:1 work well with the 18” prop.
Motor is the Thunderstruck 12kw 48v The current 3 kt performance has to go.
Larry On Mar 7, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:
? Part of the problem with heading into a 15 knot wind with gusts...? ?First off it's a sailboat, they get blown around while motoring.? Secondly, you just don't have enough headway.? Unlike our ICE counterparts you're in a boat that utilizes an electric drive so like all of us, you're light on the throttle in order to extend range. Ask me how I know this :)
Prop, on my 28', currently running a 4 bladed 12x12.5 meant for a wakeboard boat. I started out with a 14x10 3 bladed. Imo, get rid of that 2 bladed prop. On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 5:31 PM < tom@...> wrote: I’ve got an O’Day 30’ with a Thunderstruck 10K motor, 2:1 reduction and 4 AGM batteries.? I’ve got the original 16” pitch 9, 2 blade prop that was powered by a 16HP Universal when the boat was built. I’m convinced there must be something more efficient. I can’t even maintain a course into a 15mph wind. ?I’m with Jeff looking for suggestions
tom@...850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.? 78B Ricker Ave.? Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida underground utility contractor license RU0058046 Florida plumbing contractor license RF0057995
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? I bought a prop from Ryan at Valley prop in California to replace the original two bladed prop from the diesel on my 1980 O’Day 30’. The new prop is a 15” 9.5 pitch three blade. I’ve got the Thunderstruck 10KW kit with 4 12 volt AGM batteries. ?The new prop is like night and day in terms of propulsion efficiency. ?I thank whoever told me about Valley Prop and recommend them.
tom@... 850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.? 78B Ricker Ave.? Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida underground utility contractor license RU0058046 Florida plumbing contractor license RF0057995
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On May 18, 2020, at 07:07, Larry Brown <elcapitanbrown@...> wrote:
? On this subject I think I’m about to pull the trigger on a prop. ?I have an email out to the prop guys in California Bob mentioned to see what they say. ?But here’s my thinking...
I have only been on two trips that had overnight sails. ?On both of them I picked up crab traps. ?I used to have a full keel monohull and never suffered such a thing. ?Now I realize everyone’s pain. ?I seriously want to bet a folding prop. ?Reading some reviews it looks like Flexofold is the best folding prop out there. ?My current prop is a two blade 18”. ?Not sure of the pitch. ?I plan on moving to the 3:1 reduction from my current 2:1.
The highest pitch flexofold offers is 16 for the 18”. ?It’s expensive for sure but slipping by the crab traps would be much more desirable. ?Questions are whether the pitch is enough and and will the 3:1 work well with the 18” prop.
Motor is the Thunderstruck 12kw 48v The current 3 kt performance has to go.
Larry On Mar 7, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:
? Part of the problem with heading into a 15 knot wind with gusts...? ?First off it's a sailboat, they get blown around while motoring.? Secondly, you just don't have enough headway.? Unlike our ICE counterparts you're in a boat that utilizes an electric drive so like all of us, you're light on the throttle in order to extend range. Ask me how I know this :)
Prop, on my 28', currently running a 4 bladed 12x12.5 meant for a wakeboard boat. I started out with a 14x10 3 bladed. Imo, get rid of that 2 bladed prop. On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 5:31 PM < tom@...> wrote: I’ve got an O’Day 30’ with a Thunderstruck 10K motor, 2:1 reduction and 4 AGM batteries.? I’ve got the original 16” pitch 9, 2 blade prop that was powered by a 16HP Universal when the boat was built. I’m convinced there must be something more efficient. I can’t even maintain a course into a 15mph wind. ?I’m with Jeff looking for suggestions
tom@...850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.? 78B Ricker Ave.? Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida underground utility contractor license RU0058046 Florida plumbing contractor license RF0057995
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What is your setup and what did you get from them?
Thanks
I got my prop from Olympic Propeller Co right here in Anacortes.?
On this subject I think I’m about to pull the trigger on a prop.? I have an email out to the prop guys in California Bob mentioned to see what they say.? But here’s my thinking...
I have only been on two trips that had overnight sails.? On both of them I picked up crab traps.? I used to have a full keel monohull and never suffered such a thing.? Now I realize everyone’s pain.? I seriously want to bet a folding prop.? Reading some reviews it looks like Flexofold is the best folding prop out there.? My current prop is a two blade 18”.? Not sure of the pitch.? I plan on moving to the 3:1 reduction from my current 2:1.
The highest pitch flexofold offers is 16 for the 18”.? It’s expensive for sure but slipping by the crab traps would be much more desirable.? Questions are whether the pitch is enough and and will the 3:1 work well with the 18” prop.
Motor is the Thunderstruck 12kw 48v The current 3 kt performance has to go.
Larry On Mar 7, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:
? Part of the problem with heading into a 15 knot wind with gusts...? ?First off it's a sailboat, they get blown around while motoring.? Secondly, you just don't have enough headway.? Unlike our ICE counterparts you're in a boat that utilizes an electric drive so like all of us, you're light on the throttle in order to extend range. Ask me how I know this :)
Prop, on my 28', currently running a 4 bladed 12x12.5 meant for a wakeboard boat. I started out with a 14x10 3 bladed. Imo, get rid of that 2 bladed prop. On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 5:31 PM < tom@...> wrote: I’ve got an O’Day 30’ with a Thunderstruck 10K motor, 2:1 reduction and 4 AGM batteries.? I’ve got the original 16” pitch 9, 2 blade prop that was powered by a 16HP Universal when the boat was built. I’m convinced there must be something more efficient. I can’t even maintain a course into a 15mph wind. ?I’m with Jeff looking for suggestions
tom@...850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.? 78B Ricker Ave.? Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida underground utility contractor license RU0058046 Florida plumbing contractor license RF0057995
-- Larry Brown S/V Trident Palm Harbor, FL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~ ? ? ~ ? ? ~ ? ? ? ? ?~~ ? ? ? ? ? ~ ~ ? ? ? ? ? ~~_/) ? ?~ ? ? ?~ ~ ? ? ? ?~ ? ? ?~ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?_/) ? ? ? ? ?~
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As for a Gen set I am looking into hydrogen fuel cell solutions - while they currently struggle to deliver serious kW loads, performance is set to improve and the complete absence of fossil fuel use (and black water storage due to replacing the flush heads with composting ones) allows considerable onboard storage space to be repurposed ... Kind regards, Kai Rabenstein? 07792582769
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On 18 May 2020, at 14:45, Darin < armyofpenguins@...> wrote: Randy, that's an ambitious but pretty cool sounding project.? I'd love to hear how it turns out.? I imagine you must live somewhere there is lot's of sunshine! I'm just getting started on my complete conversion from sail to solar. I think I got the last ME1616 that Thunderstruck had in stock, sorry! I'm going with 57KWH of prismatics because, with a good bms to carefully manage SOC and balance, they will outlive me. The only issue is waiting for them to arrive from China. I am using the 4.8Kw of solar panels to charge the LiFePO4 battery and using TMS DC-DC for 12v house power. It's a 50a max inverter so there are 2 that work together to run the windlass. There are dual TMS2500 chargers for recharging from the grid when needed. There's no ICE generator. No fuel onboard at all. All above is per hull because the boat is a 34' Endeavour catamaran. My calculations theorize a 6kt continuous cruise speed with unlimited range on solar while charging and supplying house power needs.
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Ah, I take it the Thunderstruck ME1616 is rated at 10kW ... again, pretty much exactly what I plan to install in my own 34ft powercat conversion, although the make has not been decided yet (possibly Fischer Panda pod drives).
I am currently also looking into a way to install a dual function Flettner rotor sail and vertical axis wind turbine on the cabin roof. I know that sounds mad, but there is a small chance I may be able to make it work - some VAWT manufacturers are interested in the idea as VAWT alone don’t sell very well. Kind regards, Kai Rabenstein? 07792582769
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On 18 May 2020, at 14:45, Darin < armyofpenguins@...> wrote: Randy, that's an ambitious but pretty cool sounding project.? I'd love to hear how it turns out.? I imagine you must live somewhere there is lot's of sunshine! I'm just getting started on my complete conversion from sail to solar. I think I got the last ME1616 that Thunderstruck had in stock, sorry! I'm going with 57KWH of prismatics because, with a good bms to carefully manage SOC and balance, they will outlive me. The only issue is waiting for them to arrive from China. I am using the 4.8Kw of solar panels to charge the LiFePO4 battery and using TMS DC-DC for 12v house power. It's a 50a max inverter so there are 2 that work together to run the windlass. There are dual TMS2500 chargers for recharging from the grid when needed. There's no ICE generator. No fuel onboard at all. All above is per hull because the boat is a 34' Endeavour catamaran. My calculations theorize a 6kt continuous cruise speed with unlimited range on solar while charging and supplying house power needs.
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Hello Matt and everyone else here. I have been a lurker for some time myself, mostly due to time constraints. My name is Ryan.?
I have been playing an old 24' aluminum cabin cruiser, a 1966 Lonestar cruisliner III for several years now. Aside from completely re working the hull and rebuilding/rewireing everything, I i also installed 2 qty ecology brand 100w 12v panels when I was about to put her in the water the first time 2 years ago. Originally, this was just to maintain the 12v house systems at anchor for lighting, ventilation, radio, ECT.? I happened to bring a 42lb thrust 12v Minn kota on one of the first water trials and was happy to see that it would push my not-so-small boat around 3? Miles an hour in mild wind conditions constantly in the presence of full sun. This is what inclined me to further my experimentation.?
I last year added another 2x 100w 12v modules, and designed and built a system to use them to charge a 48v bank of Grp 31 deep cycles in series to attain the voltage necessary to push an old Johnson 9.9 that I converted to electric using a kunray 2kw e-bike chaindrive motor kit.?
This means that I also had to put the solar array in series config to charge the bank, and use an appropriately rated charge controller. Because in parallel configuration, the solar modules' current are addative- so with a max current of around 5.5 amps per panel observed, thos panels in parallel did charge the 12v bank at a maximum of around 22 amps. But in series, the same array is limited by the maximum current that will pass through a single module, so I can only charge the 48v nominal bank at a max of 5.5a again. That means that my 48v array, consisting of 4x 12v 100w panels is actually only capable of producing around 315w. Still not too bad, but I recently purchased a pair of renology 24v 300w panels. These have a max current rating of 9.3 amps, and being that they are 24v, I only need 2 of them to get the 48v nominal to charge the aux propulsion bank. I have not yet had a chance to install them, but this is exiting to me because it should effectively almost double the duty cycle I can get out of the system.? ?I still needed to have 12v available for the house systems, so I installed an "intelligent" 30a 48v to 12v converter. This was the simplest solution I could think of to marry the 48 volt system I built for the auxiliary propulsion to the 12 volt house systems bank.?
Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, the boat does around 5 statute mph with the motor controller drawing 30a (max rating is 32a), with a pirhana prop for the old Johnson mounting 5.5 pitch veins
I still have an old evinrude 140 that I converted the vro to a dual stack of standard pumps to run premix (I am a long time Mechanic and know better than to trust those vros). She'll do 35mph all day long on the 2 stroke, but unless I'm in a hurry or trying to outrun a storm, I prefer the quiet, leisurely, and economical pace of my electric conversion, as do my wife and children.?
Pleased to make everyone's acquaintance.?
-ryan
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 8:52 AM, Randy Cain <randylcain@...> wrote: I'm just getting started on my complete conversion from sail to solar. I think I got the last ME1616 that Thunderstruck had in stock, sorry! I'm going with 57KWH of prismatics because, with a good bms to carefully manage SOC and balance, they will outlive me. The only issue is waiting for them to arrive from China. I am using the 4.8Kw of solar panels to charge the LiFePO4 battery and using TMS DC-DC for 12v house power. It's a 50a max inverter so there are 2 that work together to run the windlass. There are dual TMS2500 chargers for recharging from the grid when needed. There's no ICE generator. No fuel onboard at all. All above is per hull because the boat is a 34' Endeavour catamaran. My calculations theorize a 6kt continuous cruise speed with unlimited range on solar while charging and supplying house power needs.
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Hi Randy - that sounds remarkably similar to what I am planning for a 34ft Broadblue 346 next year! What motors are you going to use? Kind regards, Kai Rabenstein? 07792582769
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On 18 May 2020, at 13:29, Randy Cain < randylcain@...> wrote: I'm just getting started on my complete conversion from sail to solar. I think I got the last ME1616 that Thunderstruck had in stock, sorry! I'm going with 57KWH of prismatics because, with a good bms to carefully manage SOC and balance, they will outlive me. The only issue is waiting for them to arrive from China. I am using the 4.8Kw of solar panels to charge the LiFePO4 battery and using TMS DC-DC for 12v house power. It's a 50a max inverter so there are 2 that work together to run the windlass. There are dual TMS2500 chargers for recharging from the grid when needed. There's no ICE generator. No fuel onboard at all. All above is per hull because the boat is a 34' Endeavour catamaran. My calculations theorize a 6kt continuous cruise speed with unlimited range on solar while charging and supplying house power needs.
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Apologies - I meant what power rating the TS-ME1616 would be ... Kind regards, Kai Rabenstein? 07792582769
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On 18 May 2020, at 13:29, Randy Cain < randylcain@...> wrote: I'm just getting started on my complete conversion from sail to solar. I think I got the last ME1616 that Thunderstruck had in stock, sorry! I'm going with 57KWH of prismatics because, with a good bms to carefully manage SOC and balance, they will outlive me. The only issue is waiting for them to arrive from China. I am using the 4.8Kw of solar panels to charge the LiFePO4 battery and using TMS DC-DC for 12v house power. It's a 50a max inverter so there are 2 that work together to run the windlass. There are dual TMS2500 chargers for recharging from the grid when needed. There's no ICE generator. No fuel onboard at all. All above is per hull because the boat is a 34' Endeavour catamaran. My calculations theorize a 6kt continuous cruise speed with unlimited range on solar while charging and supplying house power needs.
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Randy, that's an ambitious but pretty cool sounding project.? I'd love to hear how it turns out.? I imagine you must live somewhere there is lot's of sunshine!
I'm just getting started on my complete conversion from sail to solar. I think I got the last ME1616 that Thunderstruck had in stock, sorry! I'm going with 57KWH of prismatics because, with a good bms to carefully manage SOC and balance, they will outlive me. The only issue is waiting for them to arrive from China. I am using the 4.8Kw of solar panels to charge the LiFePO4 battery and using TMS DC-DC for 12v house power. It's a 50a max inverter so there are 2 that work together to run the windlass. There are dual TMS2500 chargers for recharging from the grid when needed. There's no ICE generator. No fuel onboard at all. All above is per hull because the boat is a 34' Endeavour catamaran. My calculations theorize a 6kt continuous cruise speed with unlimited range on solar while charging and supplying house power needs.
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Matt, I have a 37ft sloop with the 10kW Thunderstruck kit and 16.8kWh LifePO4 CALB battery (48cells in 3P16S arrangement) and I love it.? I carry a portable 3.5kW generator in my lazarette as a range extender which I can lash to the deck if needed and run cords directly into the shore power receptacle.? It's a more?temporary sort of setup than yours but I'm mostly a day sailor and I have a so I rarely use it.? Looking at your plans I think they look good and probably what I would do.? What part of the PNW are you in (I am in Anacortes). Darin
I'm just getting started on my complete conversion from sail to solar. I think I got the last ME1616 that Thunderstruck had in stock, sorry! I'm going with 57KWH of prismatics because, with a good bms to carefully manage SOC and balance, they will outlive me. The only issue is waiting for them to arrive from China. I am using the 4.8Kw of solar panels to charge the LiFePO4 battery and using TMS DC-DC for 12v house power. It's a 50a max inverter so there are 2 that work together to run the windlass. There are dual TMS2500 chargers for recharging from the grid when needed. There's no ICE generator. No fuel onboard at all. All above is per hull because the boat is a 34' Endeavour catamaran. My calculations theorize a 6kt continuous cruise speed with unlimited range on solar while charging and supplying house power needs.
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I got my prop from Olympic Propeller Co right here in Anacortes.?
On this subject I think I’m about to pull the trigger on a prop.? I have an email out to the prop guys in California Bob mentioned to see what they say.? But here’s my thinking...
I have only been on two trips that had overnight sails.? On both of them I picked up crab traps.? I used to have a full keel monohull and never suffered such a thing.? Now I realize everyone’s pain.? I seriously want to bet a folding prop.? Reading some reviews it looks like Flexofold is the best folding prop out there.? My current prop is a two blade 18”.? Not sure of the pitch.? I plan on moving to the 3:1 reduction from my current 2:1.
The highest pitch flexofold offers is 16 for the 18”.? It’s expensive for sure but slipping by the crab traps would be much more desirable.? Questions are whether the pitch is enough and and will the 3:1 work well with the 18” prop.
Motor is the Thunderstruck 12kw 48v The current 3 kt performance has to go.
Larry On Mar 7, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:
? Part of the problem with heading into a 15 knot wind with gusts...? ?First off it's a sailboat, they get blown around while motoring.? Secondly, you just don't have enough headway.? Unlike our ICE counterparts you're in a boat that utilizes an electric drive so like all of us, you're light on the throttle in order to extend range. Ask me how I know this :)
Prop, on my 28', currently running a 4 bladed 12x12.5 meant for a wakeboard boat. I started out with a 14x10 3 bladed. Imo, get rid of that 2 bladed prop. On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 5:31 PM < tom@...> wrote: I’ve got an O’Day 30’ with a Thunderstruck 10K motor, 2:1 reduction and 4 AGM batteries.? I’ve got the original 16” pitch 9, 2 blade prop that was powered by a 16HP Universal when the boat was built. I’m convinced there must be something more efficient. I can’t even maintain a course into a 15mph wind. ?I’m with Jeff looking for suggestions
tom@...850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.? 78B Ricker Ave.? Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida underground utility contractor license RU0058046 Florida plumbing contractor license RF0057995
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I'm just getting started on my complete conversion from sail to solar. I think I got the last ME1616 that Thunderstruck had in stock, sorry! I'm going with 57KWH of prismatics because, with a good bms to carefully manage SOC and balance, they will outlive me. The only issue is waiting for them to arrive from China. I am using the 4.8Kw of solar panels to charge the LiFePO4 battery and using TMS DC-DC for 12v house power. It's a 50a max inverter so there are 2 that work together to run the windlass. There are dual TMS2500 chargers for recharging from the grid when needed. There's no ICE generator. No fuel onboard at all. All above is per hull because the boat is a 34' Endeavour catamaran. My calculations theorize a 6kt continuous cruise speed with unlimited range on solar while charging and supplying house power needs.
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On this subject I think I’m about to pull the trigger on a prop. ?I have an email out to the prop guys in California Bob mentioned to see what they say. ?But here’s my thinking...
I have only been on two trips that had overnight sails. ?On both of them I picked up crab traps. ?I used to have a full keel monohull and never suffered such a thing. ?Now I realize everyone’s pain. ?I seriously want to bet a folding prop. ?Reading some reviews it looks like Flexofold is the best folding prop out there. ?My current prop is a two blade 18”. ?Not sure of the pitch. ?I plan on moving to the 3:1 reduction from my current 2:1.
The highest pitch flexofold offers is 16 for the 18”. ?It’s expensive for sure but slipping by the crab traps would be much more desirable. ?Questions are whether the pitch is enough and and will the 3:1 work well with the 18” prop.
Motor is the Thunderstruck 12kw 48v The current 3 kt performance has to go.
Larry
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On Mar 7, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Bob Jennings <heatnh@...> wrote:
? Part of the problem with heading into a 15 knot wind with gusts...? ?First off it's a sailboat, they get blown around while motoring.? Secondly, you just don't have enough headway.? Unlike our ICE counterparts you're in a boat that utilizes an electric drive so like all of us, you're light on the throttle in order to extend range. Ask me how I know this :)
Prop, on my 28', currently running a 4 bladed 12x12.5 meant for a wakeboard boat. I started out with a 14x10 3 bladed. Imo, get rid of that 2 bladed prop. On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 5:31 PM < tom@...> wrote: I’ve got an O’Day 30’ with a Thunderstruck 10K motor, 2:1 reduction and 4 AGM batteries.? I’ve got the original 16” pitch 9, 2 blade prop that was powered by a 16HP Universal when the boat was built. I’m convinced there must be something more efficient. I can’t even maintain a course into a 15mph wind. ?I’m with Jeff looking for suggestions
tom@...850 259-8600
Thos. Stein Inc.? 78B Ricker Ave.? Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
Florida underground utility contractor license RU0058046 Florida plumbing contractor license RF0057995
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