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I agree that promoting ones products in this club
should be avoided but I also to realise that soemone who
feels very strongly about an idea can be intereped as
promoting it. Let me suggest that we might create a
site/web page which will provide links and information
about various suppliers this industry. This page will
NOT necessarily reccomend the products but will be a
source/links to products people might be interested in. I know
that since I started my journey down the road of
research to put together my system I have accumilated a
lot of information about Who can provide What and I
am sure other memeber can do the same. I am willing
to be the conduit of this information and would
invite other memeber to also make reccomendations also.
Since I have free space available on my IP I have
already reserved a Home page for this purpose. I invite
anyone who has information about suppliers such as
motors/ batteries/ amplifiers/ propeller etc to e mail me
at ElecBoats@.... I will have the page up at
www.members.aol.com/elecboats. Remember this will be a resource page only and
will NOT reccomend any products.

Amen Paul...The industry is growing too...and
your vision was excellent. I appologize to the club if
any of my discussions have resembled promotion. I
assure you that I am a geek like everyone here and just
got lucky that my hobby became my job. And I too am
here looking for answers, pieces to the puzzle. This
forum will ultimately define a new age for boating.
Combining all our dreams and intellect will refine it, make
it safer and provide a positive impact on the
resources and environment.

Sounds great - It even works for Hawaii - I
believe thats our nap time!!! I will put out the word to
the members of EVA here. I know of one other person
who will join us for sure. And in our case, I believe
any commercialism on our part of buying a system will
be offset by the social and environmental impact we
leave on Hawaii which is the perfect testing grounds
(plenty of sunshine and wind) for alternative propulsion.
Aloha, Gabriella Ashford

To my knowledge we have never used the Chat Room
as a club. David Tether, of Solomon Technologies has
offered to be in the Chat Room to discuss various
technical issues with members. We have selected February
7th, at 8-10 pm EST as the time and date for the Chat.
I felt this should give members sufficient time to
plan on participating and also allow our West and East
Coast members to join in following work (Sorry Hawaii!)
Let's see how this works. Paul

Our Club is growing - 52 members logged in as of
this date. The issue of "commercialism" has also been
raised. Yahoo has a rule against clubs such as ours being
used for commercial purposes. I would like to
interpret that broadly - meaning that this site will not be
used to promote specific products, or to advertise
"specials" or to consumate transactions. When I started the
club, however, I had a vision of an open forum where
users, builders, suppliers, etc. could share information
and debate various issues associated with electric
boating. Having the builders and suppliers as part of the
conversation provides them with information from the users as
well as providing a means for users to obtain
information. Somewhere along the continuum - information can
turn to promotion and that leads to commercialism. So
let's strive to keep our discussions at the
informational / debate / discussion level. If individuals wish
to move into transactions with a commercial member,
move the discussion out of the club and into your
normal e-mail. Comments on this are most welcome. Paul

Zinger....should be 30-45 days before
Solomontechnologies.com will be up..Sorry for the delay but someone else
had the name and it took almost 8 months for us to
track them down and get the documents signed over. I am
in ST. Marys Co. MD and had 20" of snow
yesterday....total devastation around here....in the interim...call
us if you wish at 301-274-4479...and stop on over.

Solomon Technologies article in Multihulls was
outstanding, and if you check the most recent issue of Home
Power Magazine you'll find two electric boats featured
there on pg.60 "Solar Boats in Finland" You can
download a .pdf of the whole issue #74 and read/print that
article. <a href= target=new></a><br>Hey
E-boaters, sorry to have gotten so quiet but I have
refocused my attention until the Ice thaws in the South
River, where my boat now rests under 18" of fresh
powder. My attention is now on dreaming of the trimaran
conversion and driving my new Electric VW Vanagon 120V DC.I
picked it up last week and can't wait to drive my
converted e-van to my E-boat this spring for an entire
electric commute/weekend. Sorry it's slightly off topic
but I had to tell someone who would appreciate it:)

Hello David,<br>Have you gotten Solomon
Technologies web site up and running yet? I would love to
learn more about your new motor. We have about 12" of
snow here on the Upper Eastern Shore also. I have
drifts 1/2 way up my 22' boat and trailer. My electric
gokart is UNDER one of the large snow drifts. Glad to
hear you are progressing so well.<br><br>Zinger

We are ready to purchase our ticket to come to
Maryland - just waiting to make arrangements with you. It
will be a fun valentines trip. My email address is
encore@.... Please email me your email address and phone
number so we can discuss the details - the most
important being that we would love to get out on the water
on your boat and see how your system works and then
we can happily return to hawaii and report it is not
fizzling! I cant tell you how excited we are to finally
begin this transition. We are particularly interested
in your boat on the chesapeak (sp?) as my husband is
a 7th generation wooden boat builder and for our
travels he needs a portable generator to run his tools
when he works on other boats or for emergencies etc
etc... we only use our motor in and out of harbors and
think that a recharging prop under sail is great
(although I think our speed is more like 5-7 knots). Can
you also give me the phone number of Dr. Frank
Robinson with his permission? I used to be a LA County
Lifeguard in his neck of the woods and might make
arrangements to have my parents visit his boat as my dad is a
lover of boats and very mechanical. They will be
driving through LA within a month on their way to Oregon.
I would like to have my fathers opinion on this
too. Anyways, time is of essence, I am actually going
to try to call information and track you down as my
ticket agent told me that I need to purchase my ticket
"yesterday" to get the keen price they quoted me. Aloha
Gabriella Ashford <br>www.aloha.net/~encore

Aloha Sailor Girl..Solomon Technologies is
anything but fizzling out...Check out Sept.99 Classic Boat
or October 99 Multihulls Mags..Also we are going
public in Canada in March. Our motors are proving to be
better than we had ever hoped. The Regeneration on a
43ft cruising Cat in 12-14 knotts of wind was 3KW.
Additionaly, we replaced 40 HP worth of outboards with two 6
HP electrics and went 1.5 Knotts faster. Left the
marina..motored 1/2 hr., sailed for 2 1/2 hrs in 12 to 14 knotts
of wind, motored another 1/2 hr and when we got to
the dock had more energy in the batteries than when
we left....<br><br> Also there is a 36 ft Cal in
Marina Del Rey that just went to Mexico and back...Dr.
Frank Robinson. And we are doing an installation on a
30 ft. Islander at Santa Monica YC this
month...<br><br>Common Down...although today we seem to be having about
12" of snow....but the electric motors are running
fine....<br><br>David Tether<br>CEO, Solomon Technologies

Aloha to David Tether. My husband and I might
just take you up on a sail on your boat. We are months
away from investing in a electric system for our 35
foot sailboat recently launched.
www.aloha.net/~encore<br>Seeing is believing and here in Hawaii, it is hard to
find boats of this nature. Do you know of any similar
sailboats on the west coast closer to us? By the way, we
hear rumours here at the EVA meetings that "the wheel"
system has fizzled. According to your email thats not
true. Correspondance from anyone in the EBA Club would
be appreciated regarding a system for a 35 foot
sailboat... Mahalo Gabriella

To follow suit my wife and I have a 32 ft 19,000
lb 1939 Casey. It has been electric now for 3 1/2
years and used as a test platform for various electric
motors. It was battery only for 3 years and we sailed it
all over the Chesapeake bay and it's tributaries. For
the past six months it has been a diesel-electric
hybrid because we added a Fischer-Panda diesel generator
which then extends our motoring range beyond the 4 to 6
hours of battery to as far as we wish to go. The Casey
is rigged as a cutter...main sail, jib and self
tending stay sail and has a 48 ft mast. For a heavy boat
it is amazingly good in light air with that much
sail area. Because of the Solomon motor it regenerates
the batteries when under sail and when we are at
anchor has enough battery power to allow us to camp all
weekend while having TV&VCR, Microwave, Mr. Coffee and a
bread maker. Once you accept the electric boat
mentality you suddenly find incredible benefits to it. If
any of you all come to the Chesapeake are please do
not hesitate to call and come take a sail with
us.....

Larry - Great suggestion. I'll start. In fact I
just wrote a short article for the EBAA on this
subject at Ken's request. Our 14' Elco is kept in our
garage, winter and summer. I am fortunate to have a large
enough space that it fits on its trailer with the cars
in place. It is just a few minutes from here to the
Erie Canal and Becky and I have spent many hours
cruising its quite waters in silence - enjoying the
herons, ducks, osprey and other birds. We have taken it
to the Outer Banks of North Carolina where we
cruised some of the backwater bays and sanctuaries. We
have taken on Adirondack Lakes, Vermont Lakes and
Otter Creek. Most cruses are two hours or less. We
can't get up and walk around so the body kind of gets
tired - although I have been out in it for over four
hours non-stop. We sometimes take a picnic supper or
lunch and just dine in solitude and quiet. Becky
sometimes reads and I just enjoy watching the shore move
by. We have taken family and friends - but I do think
a 19-21' boat is better at that. The 14' launch is
ideal for the two of us in many ways. It is easy to
launch, trailer, and get into tight places.

Greetings, Paul and to all:<br><br>I've enjoyed
the forum and have learned some things,
too.<br><br>One thing I would personally like to see more of in
the new year is member input on how they USE their
boats. What kinds of cruises do you take? Where do you
keep your boat--in the water, on a trailer, etc.? What
special problems have you encountered? What special
pleasures have you found, different from other types of
boating you've done?<br><br>This is coming from a guy who
spent 4 years building his boat and, so far, only 4
days using it!<br><br>Larry

It seems that the Electric Boat Club has found a
niche for enthusiasts. I have enjoyed "listening" to
the recent conversations and have learned much.<br>We
have the ability to exchange ideas, post photos and we
have listed a few links to related companies and
groups. What can we do to make the club better in 2000?
Your ideas and suggestions are most welcome. Paul

Properly applied a "timing Belt should be no
noiser than a V Belt that is not slipping. THat and the
lach of required lubrication is why they are so widely
used in industrial machine. Large customer like
"Budweiser" , "3M" and many other don't allow any other type
of drive system that is not a direct drive. If
someone has one that is noisey it is because they dont
have it tensioned properly and it is "Skipping" its
coges on one or both of the drive pullies. They
probubly don't have an idler installed for proper tension
adjustment and they are loosing the advantage of having one.
According to most manufacturers. The belts should be
tensioned to no more than 1/64 the span between pullies.
That is with a 32" span the belt should deflect 32/64
or 1/2". anymore than this and the belt will slip
any less and and it is to tight and can cause
excessive bearing side loading. The other reason why a belt
might slip is if the smaller pulley does not have
enough teeth in contact with the sheive. There should be
no less than 1/3 of the teeth of the pulley in
contact at any time. This can be cause by the center
distance not being enough or a improperly applyed
idler.<br><br>Properly applyed a timing belt "is the most efficient way
of coupling two shafts next to a direct drive."

Thanks for your offer Don. Let me see how things
go this spring. I may be getting back to you. I need
to get the storage area in the stern closed in for
the life jackets and finish fitting out the cuddy
cabin first.<br><br>Thanks again,<br>Jim "Zinger"

There is an electric boat at the Center for
Wooden Boats in Seattle which uses some kind of a
"cogged" belt for it's drive. While I gather slippage is
not a problem, it is pretty noisy. Does this sound
like the same belt? Any opinion about relative noise
from the timing belt application?<br><br>Larry

Jim,<br>I would be happy to size the belt and
sheives for you and give you the part numbers so that you
can buy them. I do this for my clients all of the
time so its no big deal for me. I have all of the
catalogs at my fingure tips. I believe that you may need
to mount an ideler for tensioning but that should
not present a big problem based on you picture. If
you go to the "Elco" site and look at the picture of
there retrofit motor they use an adler also. What is
you shaft center distance.<br><br>Don

Thanks for the info on cog belts. I looked into
it at the beginning of my project. The prices and
the problem of choosing the proper size gears and
belts scared me away. I made the mistake of mounting my
motor to close to the prop shaft. This limited the
clearance for adjusting the belt. I still haven't figured
out how they size the belts. I wish I could just go
into a store and pick one up off the shelf. In the
beginning I used a 350 chevy timing gear and chain set.
This was very economical and gave me the 2:1 reduction
I wanted. It also gave me the lack of clearance
problem. Some day I would like to consider a new motor
with the integrated reduction gear and thrust bearing
setup. My budget still cringes at the idea and so far my
old golf cart motor is running ok.<br><br>If any one
is in the Eastern shore part of Maryland, I work at
the Georgetown Yacht Basin marina, on the Sassafras
River. I would be happy to say "Hi", and give you a tour
of whats going on.<br><br>Jim "Zinger"