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I still drive a 2017 Tesla Model X. ?Although I do most of my charging at home, Tesla supercharging is free for as long as the car lasts.?? ?

Best regards,

Arthur

On Dec 24, 2024, at 12:14?AM, Lou via groups.io <c1937@...> wrote:

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Hi Jeff,?? ??? ??? ????
??? Thanks! ? You answered the questions I asked.?? ??? ????
So in the US, I would need a CCS1 or NACS connector to access?
Level #3 charging. ? I would also need a Tesla or other charger's ???
credit card to activate the chargers. ? May anyone purchase these???
cards or must one own a specific vehicle to use the charger??? ??? ? ?? ???
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On 12/23/2024 1:05 PM, Jeff Chan wrote:

On Mon, 2024-12-23 at 12:45 -0800, Lou via groups.io wrote:

Hi Jerry,
???? I know that Tesla has exclusive level #3 chargers.
Are there other makes that can use level #3 chargers.
With adapters, can they use Tesla chargers?? Are
there other makes of Level #3 chargers that any
make of vehicle can use?
???? Are public chargers pay per use or do they require
a subscription?
???? Thank you & Happy Holidays, ?? ???? Lou

Hi Lou,
Super quick answer, there are 3 major DC fast charging standards in
the U.S.:

CCS (J1772 + two DC fast charging pins; "Frankenconnector")
NACS (Tesla's standard)
Chademo

CCS public chargers have been inconsistent and most manufacturers have
decided to use Tesla's standard, in part because their Supercharger
network is the best. 
 
Chademo has become much less popular and is associated with Nissan.

So yes DC fast charging is widely available, and most cars will use
NACS for it.

Tesla charges energy fees that vary by state.  In some states it now
costs nearly as much as gas, though of course EVs have much less
maintenance.  EVs still work best charged at home, work, shopping.

Cheers,

Jeff C.



	
On Mon, 2024-12-23 at 13:05 -0800, Jeff Chan wrote:	
Tesla's Supercharging for Tesla cars, and possibly some others, is
seamless.  You drive up, plug in, and it's automatically charged to
the credit card on your Tesla account.
	
Others may use a mobile app.  In the old days they used wireless
cards, RFID key fobs (in some countries), etc.

Jeff C.
	
	

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On Wed, 2024-12-25 at 10:40 -0800, Benson Wong via groups.io wrote:

A cautionary word on using a totaled Tesla:

I’ve also heard of people who purchased a totaled or salvage titled
Tesla and may lose access to the supercharger network as well.?
Sometimes they require a “safety inspection” before granting access
again, which involves some sort of service fee for the inspection.?
Also, if using parts from a Tesla, there is no guarantee that you
will be able to use the level 3 chargers if the VIN on the car is
reported as totaled to the mothership (Tesla HQ).? 

There’s a YouTuber, Rich Rebuilds, who started out buying totaled or
salvage titled Teslas to repair and make roadworthy again.? He was
able to charge level 2 but level 3 would give him problems.? You may
want to look up his earlier videos to see what he experienced.? 

Also seen people at car shows that used Tesla parts to restomod
their vintage ICE vehicles to an EV drivetrain and it’s hit or miss
on being able to use level 3 superchargers.

Thanks Benson,
This is exactly what I was going to say.

Hi Lou,
My original answer was assuming you were asking about production cars.
?
For a EV conversion or car built from parts, it's unlikely to be able
to use it at fast chargers.  For that to work the charging network
would need to think the car is some production car with authorized
access to the network.  Ford was able to do this with the Mach-E as
have other manufacturers because they have officially engineered and
authorized back end connections to Tesla's network.

Unless some significant portion of a car's computers think it's still
a Model S, or some other production car, it probably won't work.  

Home Level 2 charging should work.

Cheers,

Jeff C.

On Dec 25, 2024, at 12:09?AM, Lou <c1937@...> wrote:

?



Hi Jeff, Arthur and Benson,
??? Thank you for the explanation.?? My problem
is that Tesla only makes 4 door sedans.?? My plan
is to buy a model S or X and put the motor and
controller in a more practical body style.
??? Your info tells me I should get a newer vehicle
from which to pirate parts.?? Does Tesla allow 2nd
owners to use their fast charging plugs???? Or does
it depend what model??? I don't recall what the Lotus/
Tesla Roadsters used.
??? I have heard that Tesla sold the rights to use their
fast charging plugs to other car companies.?? I just
read an article that Kia is including an adapter to
use both Level #3 plugs for their new cars.

??? I don't have my credit card anywhere on my
computer so it can't be stolen from an app.?? I used
PayPal once and they ripped me off for $64 and
never paid the vendor.?? I was never able to contact
them and all their communication only permitted? a
payment to them.?? It would cost more than $64 to
take them to court.
??? After placing a credit card for AT&T auto pay,
I am reluctant give any company? carte-blanche with
my credit card.
??? After I find out how to pay for the chargers, I'll
have to find out the price per KWH each one charges
to charge.??? Is there and EV version of Gas Buddy?

??? Thank you all for your education on plugs.
Happy Holidays,??????????? Lou







On 12/24/2024 8:12 PM, Benson Wong via groups.io wrote:

It’s important to point out that buying a CCS to NACS adapter does
not mean your car will automatically charge at a Tesla
Supercharger. The car with the CCS port needs to have charging
capability on the Tesla supercharger network.? I believe quite a
few cars can charge with the proper adapter but not all.? I would
recommend doing more research for your own car before buying an
adapter.? Also not all Tesla Superchargers will work either - I
believe it needs to be a version 3 or 4 cabinet as the earlier
versions will not work for non-Teslas.

Coincidentally did a road trip down to San Diego today in my Tesla
Model 3 and saw a Rivian and a Ford Mustang Mach-E charging at the
Tesla Superchargers.

Benson




On 12/24/2024 12:40 AM, Arthur Keller wrote:
I still drive a 2017 Tesla Model X.? Although I do most of my
charging at home, Tesla supercharging is free for as long as the
car lasts.
Best regards,
Arthur

On 12/24/2024 1:16 PM, Jeff Chan wrote:

On Tue, 2024-12-24 at 00:14 -0800, Lou via groups.io wrote:



Hi Jeff,
???? Thanks!?? You answered the questions I asked.
So in the US, I would need a CCS1 or NACS connector to access
Level #3 charging.?? I would also need a Tesla or other
charger's
credit card to activate the chargers.?? May anyone purchase
these
cards or must one own a specific vehicle to use the charger?


??????????????? Thanks again,??????????????? Lou

Hi Lou,
NACS is already the most common fast charger and will be more
common
with it effectively becoming the national standard.? While it is
possible to adapt CCS to NACS and vice versa, and adapters
exist,
they're less commonly used.

With NACS becoming the standard, most EVs will be built with
NACS
ports.

(This is talking about the North American area.? Standards are
different in China and Europe.? Europe is probably the most
unified
with the Menekes connected being more common than NACS here.)

Payment is usually handled in an app or in a web site account.?
Just
like any web or app payment, any credit card (or other payment
methods
probably) can be used.? It's a normal online shopping
transaction.

To do so usually requires setting up an account in the app or on
the
web site.? One of the parameters of the account set up is
payment
method, like any other online purchase.

Hope this helps,

Jeff C.

On Dec 25, 2024, at 2:31?PM, Jeff Chan <eaasv@...> wrote:

On Wed, 2024-12-25 at 10:40 -0800, Benson Wong via groups.io wrote:

A cautionary word on using a totaled Tesla:

I’ve also heard of people who purchased a totaled or salvage titled
Tesla and may lose access to the supercharger network as well.
Sometimes they require a “safety inspection” before granting access
again, which involves some sort of service fee for the inspection.
Also, if using parts from a Tesla, there is no guarantee that you
will be able to use the level 3 chargers if the VIN on the car is
reported as totaled to the mothership (Tesla HQ).

There’s a YouTuber, Rich Rebuilds, who started out buying totaled or
salvage titled Teslas to repair and make roadworthy again. He was
able to charge level 2 but level 3 would give him problems. You may
want to look up his earlier videos to see what he experienced.

Also seen people at car shows that used Tesla parts to restomod
their vintage ICE vehicles to an EV drivetrain and it’s hit or miss
on being able to use level 3 superchargers.

Thanks Benson,
This is exactly what I was going to say.

Hi Lou,
My original answer was assuming you were asking about production cars.

For a EV conversion or car built from parts, it's unlikely to be able
to use it at fast chargers. For that to work the charging network
would need to think the car is some production car with authorized
access to the network. Ford was able to do this with the Mach-E as
have other manufacturers because they have officially engineered and
authorized back end connections to Tesla's network.

Unless some significant portion of a car's computers think it's still
a Model S, or some other production car, it probably won't work.

Home Level 2 charging should work.

Cheers,

Jeff C.

On Dec 25, 2024, at 12:09?AM, Lou <c1937@...> wrote:

?



Hi Jeff, Arthur and Benson,
Thank you for the explanation. My problem
is that Tesla only makes 4 door sedans. My plan
is to buy a model S or X and put the motor and
controller in a more practical body style.
Your info tells me I should get a newer vehicle
from which to pirate parts. Does Tesla allow 2nd
owners to use their fast charging plugs? Or does
it depend what model? I don't recall what the Lotus/
Tesla Roadsters used.
I have heard that Tesla sold the rights to use their
fast charging plugs to other car companies. I just
read an article that Kia is including an adapter to
use both Level #3 plugs for their new cars.

I don't have my credit card anywhere on my
computer so it can't be stolen from an app. I used
PayPal once and they ripped me off for $64 and
never paid the vendor. I was never able to contact
them and all their communication only permitted a
payment to them. It would cost more than $64 to
take them to court.
After placing a credit card for AT&T auto pay,
I am reluctant give any company carte-blanche with
my credit card.
After I find out how to pay for the chargers, I'll
have to find out the price per KWH each one charges
to charge. Is there and EV version of Gas Buddy?

Thank you all for your education on plugs.
Happy Holidays, Lou







On 12/24/2024 8:12 PM, Benson Wong via groups.io wrote:

It’s important to point out that buying a CCS to NACS adapter does
not mean your car will automatically charge at a Tesla
Supercharger. The car with the CCS port needs to have charging
capability on the Tesla supercharger network. I believe quite a
few cars can charge with the proper adapter but not all. I would
recommend doing more research for your own car before buying an
adapter. Also not all Tesla Superchargers will work either - I
believe it needs to be a version 3 or 4 cabinet as the earlier
versions will not work for non-Teslas.

Coincidentally did a road trip down to San Diego today in my Tesla
Model 3 and saw a Rivian and a Ford Mustang Mach-E charging at the
Tesla Superchargers.

Benson




On 12/24/2024 12:40 AM, Arthur Keller wrote:
I still drive a 2017 Tesla Model X. Although I do most of my
charging at home, Tesla supercharging is free for as long as the
car lasts.
Best regards,
Arthur

On 12/24/2024 1:16 PM, Jeff Chan wrote:

On Tue, 2024-12-24 at 00:14 -0800, Lou via groups.io wrote:



Hi Jeff,
Thanks! You answered the questions I asked.
So in the US, I would need a CCS1 or NACS connector to access
Level #3 charging. I would also need a Tesla or other
charger's
credit card to activate the chargers. May anyone purchase
these
cards or must one own a specific vehicle to use the charger?


Thanks again, Lou

Hi Lou,
NACS is already the most common fast charger and will be more
common
with it effectively becoming the national standard. While it is
possible to adapt CCS to NACS and vice versa, and adapters
exist,
they're less commonly used.

With NACS becoming the standard, most EVs will be built with
NACS
ports.

(This is talking about the North American area. Standards are
different in China and Europe. Europe is probably the most
unified
with the Menekes connected being more common than NACS here.)

Payment is usually handled in an app or in a web site account.
Just
like any web or app payment, any credit card (or other payment
methods
probably) can be used. It's a normal online shopping
transaction.

To do so usually requires setting up an account in the app or on
the
web site. One of the parameters of the account set up is
payment
method, like any other online purchase.

Hope this helps,

Jeff C.

On Dec 25, 2024, at 12:09?AM, Lou <c1937@...> wrote:

?



Hi Jeff, Arthur and Benson,
Thank you for the explanation. My problem
is that Tesla only makes 4 door sedans. My plan
is to buy a model S or X and put the motor and
controller in a more practical body style.
Your info tells me I should get a newer vehicle
from which to pirate parts. Does Tesla allow 2nd
owners to use their fast charging plugs? Or does
it depend what model? I don't recall what the Lotus/
Tesla Roadsters used.
I have heard that Tesla sold the rights to use their
fast charging plugs to other car companies. I just
read an article that Kia is including an adapter to
use both Level #3 plugs for their new cars.

I don't have my credit card anywhere on my
computer so it can't be stolen from an app. I used
PayPal once and they ripped me off for $64 and
never paid the vendor. I was never able to contact
them and all their communication only permitted a
payment to them. It would cost more than $64 to
take them to court.
After placing a credit card for AT&T auto pay,
I am reluctant give any company carte-blanche with
my credit card.
After I find out how to pay for the chargers, I'll
have to find out the price per KWH each one charges
to charge. Is there and EV version of Gas Buddy?

Thank you all for your education on plugs.
Happy Holidays, Lou







On 12/24/2024 8:12 PM, Benson Wong via groups.io wrote:

It’s important to point out that buying a CCS to NACS adapter does not mean your car will automatically charge at a Tesla Supercharger. The car with the CCS port needs to have charging capability on the Tesla supercharger network. I believe quite a few cars can charge with the proper adapter but not all. I would recommend doing more research for your own car before buying an adapter. Also not all Tesla Superchargers will work either - I believe it needs to be a version 3 or 4 cabinet as the earlier versions will not work for non-Teslas.

Coincidentally did a road trip down to San Diego today in my Tesla Model 3 and saw a Rivian and a Ford Mustang Mach-E charging at the Tesla Superchargers.

Benson




On 12/24/2024 12:40 AM, Arthur Keller wrote:
I still drive a 2017 Tesla Model X. Although I do most of my charging at home, Tesla supercharging is free for as long as the car lasts.
Best regards,
Arthur

On 12/24/2024 1:16 PM, Jeff Chan wrote:

On Tue, 2024-12-24 at 00:14 -0800, Lou via groups.io wrote:



Hi Jeff,
Thanks! You answered the questions I asked.
So in the US, I would need a CCS1 or NACS connector to access
Level #3 charging. I would also need a Tesla or other charger's
credit card to activate the chargers. May anyone purchase these
cards or must one own a specific vehicle to use the charger?


Thanks again, Lou

Hi Lou,
NACS is already the most common fast charger and will be more common
with it effectively becoming the national standard. While it is
possible to adapt CCS to NACS and vice versa, and adapters exist,
they're less commonly used.

With NACS becoming the standard, most EVs will be built with NACS
ports.

(This is talking about the North American area. Standards are
different in China and Europe. Europe is probably the most unified
with the Menekes connected being more common than NACS here.)

Payment is usually handled in an app or in a web site account. Just
like any web or app payment, any credit card (or other payment methods
probably) can be used. It's a normal online shopping transaction.

To do so usually requires setting up an account in the app or on the
web site. One of the parameters of the account set up is payment
method, like any other online purchase.

Hope this helps,

Jeff C.

On Dec 25, 2024, at 12:09?AM, Lou <c1937@...> wrote:

Hi Jeff, Arthur and Benson,
??? Thank you for the explanation. ? My problem
is that Tesla only makes 4 door sedans. ? My plan
is to buy a model S or X and put the motor and
controller in a more practical body style.
??? Your info tells me I should get a newer vehicle
from which to pirate parts. ? Does Tesla allow 2nd
owners to use their fast charging plugs? ?? Or does
it depend what model? ? I don't recall what the Lotus/
Tesla Roadsters used.
??? I have heard that Tesla sold the rights to use their
fast charging plugs to other car companies. ? I just
read an article that Kia is including an adapter to
use both Level #3 plugs for their new cars.

??? I don't have my credit card anywhere on my
computer so it can't be stolen from an app. ? I used
PayPal once and they ripped me off for $64 and
never paid the vendor. ? I was never able to contact
them and all their communication only permitted? a
payment to them. ? It would cost more than $64 to
take them to court.
??? After placing a credit card for AT&T auto pay,
I am reluctant give any company? carte-blanche with
my credit card.
??? After I find out how to pay for the chargers, I'll
have to find out the price per KWH each one charges
to charge.??? Is there and EV version of Gas Buddy?

??? Thank you all for your education on plugs.
Happy Holidays,??? ??? ??? Lou







On 12/24/2024 8:12 PM, Benson Wong via??wrote:

It’s important to point out that buying a CCS to NACS adapter does not mean your car will automatically charge at a Tesla Supercharger. The car with the CCS port needs to have charging capability on the Tesla supercharger network. ?I believe quite a few cars can charge with the proper adapter but not all. ?I would recommend doing more research for your own car before buying an adapter. ?Also not all Tesla Superchargers will work either - I believe it needs to be a version 3 or 4 cabinet as the earlier versions will not work for non-Teslas.

Coincidentally did a road trip down to San Diego today in my Tesla Model 3 and saw a Rivian and a Ford Mustang Mach-E charging at the Tesla Superchargers.

Benson




On 12/24/2024 12:40 AM, Arthur Keller wrote:
I still drive a 2017 Tesla Model X. ?Although I do most of my charging at home, Tesla supercharging is free for as long as the car lasts.
Best regards,
Arthur



On 12/24/2024 1:16 PM, Jeff Chan wrote:

On Tue, 2024-12-24 at 00:14 -0800, Lou via groups.io wrote:

Hi Jeff,
?????Thanks! ? You answered the questions I asked.
So in the US, I would need a CCS1 or NACS connector to access
Level #3 charging. ? I would also need a Tesla or other charger's
credit card to activate the chargers. ? May anyone purchase these
cards or must one own a specific vehicle to use the charger?


??? ??? ??? ????Thanks again,??? ??? ??? ??? Lou

Hi Lou,
NACS is already the most common fast charger and will be more common
with it effectively becoming the national standard. ?While it is
possible to adapt CCS to NACS and vice versa, and adapters exist,
they're less commonly used.

With NACS becoming the standard, most EVs will be built with NACS
ports.

(This is talking about the North American area. ?Standards are
different in China and Europe. ?Europe is probably the most unified
with the Menekes connected being more common than NACS here.)

Payment is usually handled in an app or in a web site account. ?Just
like any web or app payment, any credit card (or other payment methods
probably) can be used. ?It's a normal online shopping transaction.

To do so usually requires setting up an account in the app or on the
web site. ?One of the parameters of the account set up is payment
method, like any other online purchase.

Hope this helps,

Jeff C.

On Tue, 2024-12-24 at 00:14 -0800, Lou via groups.io wrote:

Hi Jeff,
???? Thanks! ? You answered the questions I asked.
So in the US, I would need a CCS1 or NACS connector to access
Level #3 charging. ? I would also need a Tesla or other charger's
credit card to activate the chargers. ? May anyone purchase these
cards or must one own a specific vehicle to use the charger?


??? ??? ??? ??? Thanks again,??? ??? ??? ??? Lou

Hi Lou,
NACS is already the most common fast charger and will be more common
with it effectively becoming the national standard. While it is
possible to adapt CCS to NACS and vice versa, and adapters exist,
they're less commonly used.

With NACS becoming the standard, most EVs will be built with NACS
ports.

(This is talking about the North American area. Standards are
different in China and Europe. Europe is probably the most unified
with the Menekes connected being more common than NACS here.)

Payment is usually handled in an app or in a web site account. Just
like any web or app payment, any credit card (or other payment methods
probably) can be used. It's a normal online shopping transaction.

To do so usually requires setting up an account in the app or on the
web site. One of the parameters of the account set up is payment
method, like any other online purchase.

Hope this helps,

Jeff C.

On Dec 24, 2024, at 1:16?PM, Jeff Chan via groups.io <eaasv@...> wrote:

?On Tue, 2024-12-24 at 00:14 -0800, Lou via groups.io wrote:

Hi Jeff,
Thanks! You answered the questions I asked.
So in the US, I would need a CCS1 or NACS connector to access
Level #3 charging. I would also need a Tesla or other charger's
credit card to activate the chargers. May anyone purchase these
cards or must one own a specific vehicle to use the charger?


Thanks again, Lou

Hi Lou,
NACS is already the most common fast charger and will be more common
with it effectively becoming the national standard. While it is
possible to adapt CCS to NACS and vice versa, and adapters exist,
they're less commonly used.

With NACS becoming the standard, most EVs will be built with NACS
ports.

(This is talking about the North American area. Standards are
different in China and Europe. Europe is probably the most unified
with the Menekes connected being more common than NACS here.)

Payment is usually handled in an app or in a web site account. Just
like any web or app payment, any credit card (or other payment methods
probably) can be used. It's a normal online shopping transaction.

To do so usually requires setting up an account in the app or on the
web site. One of the parameters of the account set up is payment
method, like any other online purchase.

Hope this helps,

Jeff C.