Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
A couple of observations about the V71 from someone who owns one,
me, and I'd buy another if it was available in the Land of Oz even
though the price is high due to international exchange rates -
around $600.
David's assessment is spot on.
On 21/9/21 5:14 am, David Ranch wrote:
Only speaking for NEW radios, I really like Kenwood radios as they
are well made.? The V71 is dual band, has the 6pin DATA jack on
the back, offers the discriminator port for wide FSK data modes
like 9600bps G3RUH, etc. but they are rather expensive.? Yes, the
v71 is EOL due to component shortages but they are still available
for purchase.? One other unique things about the V71 (and it's
D710 cousin) is that it's the only FM-only mobile radio that also
offers "working" CAT control.? To get CAT control from other
vendor's radios, you need to buy into the next class of
"multi-mode" radios that cover HF / VHF / UHF which are
considerably more expensive and larger.?? The Kenwood TM-281A is
cheaper but is a single band radio, doesn't offer a "DATA" port,
no CAT functionality, etc.? It can be made to work but you need to
make sure you don't bump the volume knob, etc. or it will disrupt
your signal level tuning (critical)!
1. I use the V71 for both VHF and UHF APRS satellites and the radio
is controlled by Gpredict/hamlib for UHF. The VHF side is not
controlled for my use.
?
2. Although the data port has both discriminator audio for 9k6 and
de-emphasised audio for 1k2 they can't be split across the two
radios. Whichever radio is selected as the data radio gets both
audio types appearing on the 6 pin socket and that's a bummer
because for the VHF side I need to take speaker audio for the
modem/TNC, and I have bumped the volume knob :) In addition, the 1k2
audio on the data port is muted/squelched. Those points are not deal
breakers for me, it's just the way it is. The V71 is still a great
radio for aprs/packet, and it has great sensitivity and performance.
?
Yaesu had the FT-8900 which was also a dual band radio, had a 6pin
DATA jack, etc. but radio that seems to be EOL now.? They do have
their System Fusion radios like the FTM-300 but it's probably
overkill for your needs.? Btw, NO, you cannot use it's internal
APRS TNC for packet use.? It only works for internal APRS uses.
Anyway, I was actually researching other radios over the weekend
and wasthe Anytone AT-588 / aka Alinco DR-135T with the repeater
cable kit (
) might be a reasonable option here.? Please note: I'm not
recommending the TYT TH-9000D which is evidently a possible
"poorer" clone of the Alinco radio and has some poor quality
reports.
Alinco have generally been "good" (not great or excellent radios
mind you) for a long time and It *seems* like they were bought out
by Anytone:
??
I'd be curious what people think of the Anytone AT-588 / Alinco
DR-135T radios for packet use.
--David
KI6ZHD
Ray vk2tv
On 09/20/2021 09:28 AM, Patrick
Bouldin KM5L wrote:
Hi, our? ARES group is about to get moving on
Winlink for EMCOM purposes - and, were WERE going to use:
Baofeng, Direwolf, Raspberry Pi, but after hearing about several
issues with Baofeng (and a very nice post here in this group),
I'm thinking the Baofeng is not "Battle hardened" for ARES.?
What radio/handheld or other radio have you used with Direwolf
and Winlink?? Can it be sufficiently battle-hardened (for
emergency prep, ready to go, dependable)?
Of course, we will need to find a sufficient quantity if you
recommend something older.
Thanks in advance,
73,
Patrick KM5L
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Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
Massive quantities of excellent Motorola Maxtrac and GM300 mobiles have been retired out of public agency use in the last couple of decades. If the public agencies that your EMCOM group works with are retiring land mobile gear, see if they'll reprogram them for your frequencies. GM300s in particular are great.
73, Dana? K6JQ
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 9:29 AM Patrick Bouldin KM5L < patrick@...> wrote: Hi, our? ARES group is about to get moving on Winlink for EMCOM purposes - and, were WERE going to use: Baofeng, Direwolf, Raspberry Pi, but after hearing about several issues with Baofeng (and a very nice post here in this group), I'm thinking the Baofeng is not "Battle hardened" for ARES.?
What radio/handheld or other radio have you used with Direwolf and Winlink?? Can it be sufficiently battle-hardened (for emergency prep, ready to go, dependable)?
Of course, we will need to find a sufficient quantity if you recommend something older.
Thanks in advance,
73,
Patrick KM5L
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Patrick,
In addition to David's comprehensive response, Jason (KM4ACK) has published a number of videos about using PAT.
See
Ian
VK1IAN
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On 21/9/21 3:17 am, David Ranch wrote: Hello Patrick,
Direwolf is a packet TNC and APRS client but it doesn't have any Winlink functionality.? You CAN integrate Direwolf with other Winlink tools though and here is a decent overview of most (but not all the offerings):
?? PAT - A Linux native web based winlink client :
?? BPQ32 Winlink - using BPQ32 to interface with RMS servers :
?? PacLink-Unix - services to interface between Winlink and a local POP/IMAP email service :
?? PiGate - a Raspberry Pi image to interface between Winlink and a local POP/IMAP email service : there is an ALPHA version that now adds Direwolf support :
?? Windows Winlink Express - Running the Windows Winlink under WINE:
--David
KI6ZHD
On 09/20/2021 08:43 AM, Patrick Bouldin KM5L wrote:
Good morning, de Patrick, KM5L - hoping to learn how to use direwolf on a raspberry pi in order to run Winlink. Is that officially possible? Both client and gateway?
Thanks and 73.
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Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
Actually, the FT8900 is quad band (10m FM, 6m FM, 2m FM, and 440 FM).? The FT8800 is the dual band (2m/440) version.? Unfortunately, Yaesu decided to replaced this type of radio with either the "All-in-One" (allmode through HF -> UHF), their poorly conceived "APRS radios", or their digital (C4FM) and analog models.
On Monday, September 20, 2021, 03:14:22 PM EDT, David Ranch <direwolf-groupsio@...> wrote:
Only speaking for NEW radios, I really like Kenwood radios as they
are well made.? The V71 is dual band, has the 6pin DATA jack on the
back, offers the discriminator port for wide FSK data modes like
9600bps G3RUH, etc. but they are rather expensive.? Yes, the v71 is
EOL due to component shortages but they are still available for
purchase.? One other unique things about the V71 (and it's D710
cousin) is that it's the only FM-only mobile radio that also offers
"working" CAT control.? To get CAT control from other vendor's
radios, you need to buy into the next class of "multi-mode" radios
that cover HF / VHF / UHF which are considerably more expensive and
larger.?? The Kenwood TM-281A is cheaper but is a single band radio,
doesn't offer a "DATA" port, no CAT functionality, etc.? It can be
made to work but you need to make sure you don't bump the volume
knob, etc. or it will disrupt your signal level tuning (critical)!
?
Yaesu had the FT-8900 which was also a dual band radio, had a 6pin
DATA jack, etc. but radio that seems to be EOL now.? They do have
their System Fusion radios like the FTM-300 but it's probably
overkill for your needs.? Btw, NO, you cannot use it's internal APRS
TNC for packet use.? It only works for internal APRS uses.
Anyway, I was actually researching other radios over the weekend and
wasthe Anytone AT-588 / aka Alinco DR-135T with the repeater cable
kit (
) might be a reasonable option here.? Please note: I'm not
recommending the TYT TH-9000D which is evidently a possible "poorer"
clone of the Alinco radio and has some poor quality reports.
Alinco have generally been "good" (not great or excellent radios
mind you) for a long time and It *seems* like they were bought out
by Anytone:
??
I'd be curious what people think of the Anytone AT-588 / Alinco
DR-135T radios for packet use.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 09/20/2021 09:28 AM, Patrick Bouldin
KM5L wrote:
Hi, our? ARES group is about to get moving on Winlink
for EMCOM purposes - and, were WERE going to use: Baofeng,
Direwolf, Raspberry Pi, but after hearing about several issues
with Baofeng (and a very nice post here in this group), I'm
thinking the Baofeng is not "Battle hardened" for ARES.?
What radio/handheld or other radio have you used with Direwolf and
Winlink?? Can it be sufficiently battle-hardened (for emergency
prep, ready to go, dependable)?
Of course, we will need to find a sufficient quantity if you
recommend something older.
Thanks in advance,
73,
Patrick KM5L
|
Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
Only speaking for NEW radios, I really like Kenwood radios as they
are well made.? The V71 is dual band, has the 6pin DATA jack on the
back, offers the discriminator port for wide FSK data modes like
9600bps G3RUH, etc. but they are rather expensive.? Yes, the v71 is
EOL due to component shortages but they are still available for
purchase.? One other unique things about the V71 (and it's D710
cousin) is that it's the only FM-only mobile radio that also offers
"working" CAT control.? To get CAT control from other vendor's
radios, you need to buy into the next class of "multi-mode" radios
that cover HF / VHF / UHF which are considerably more expensive and
larger.?? The Kenwood TM-281A is cheaper but is a single band radio,
doesn't offer a "DATA" port, no CAT functionality, etc.? It can be
made to work but you need to make sure you don't bump the volume
knob, etc. or it will disrupt your signal level tuning (critical)!
?
Yaesu had the FT-8900 which was also a dual band radio, had a 6pin
DATA jack, etc. but radio that seems to be EOL now.? They do have
their System Fusion radios like the FTM-300 but it's probably
overkill for your needs.? Btw, NO, you cannot use it's internal APRS
TNC for packet use.? It only works for internal APRS uses.
Anyway, I was actually researching other radios over the weekend and
wasthe Anytone AT-588 / aka Alinco DR-135T with the repeater cable
kit (
) might be a reasonable option here.? Please note: I'm not
recommending the TYT TH-9000D which is evidently a possible "poorer"
clone of the Alinco radio and has some poor quality reports.
Alinco have generally been "good" (not great or excellent radios
mind you) for a long time and It *seems* like they were bought out
by Anytone:
??
I'd be curious what people think of the Anytone AT-588 / Alinco
DR-135T radios for packet use.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 09/20/2021 09:28 AM, Patrick Bouldin
KM5L wrote:
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Hi, our? ARES group is about to get moving on Winlink
for EMCOM purposes - and, were WERE going to use: Baofeng,
Direwolf, Raspberry Pi, but after hearing about several issues
with Baofeng (and a very nice post here in this group), I'm
thinking the Baofeng is not "Battle hardened" for ARES.?
What radio/handheld or other radio have you used with Direwolf and
Winlink?? Can it be sufficiently battle-hardened (for emergency
prep, ready to go, dependable)?
Of course, we will need to find a sufficient quantity if you
recommend something older.
Thanks in advance,
73,
Patrick KM5L
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Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
Yaesu 2980, no fans or relays, rugged, cast-aluminum "george
foreman grill".?? fully adjustable wattage.? affordable at $140.
GTOWN, MNDN, AVALN digipeaters/gateways use this PiZero with Yaesu
setup, non-stop for years....
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Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
I know when using VOX for digital (tried it with APRS) the volume settings can be very tricky. I used it successfully with? breadboard Mobilinkd TNC with a bluetooth interface with my phone and cable to the UV5R until both the UV-5R and the TNC unfortunately died due to some electrical issues with my car.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 11:57 Patrick Bouldin KM5L < patrick@...> wrote: John,
Have you seen it work?? I saw the following post from this group: /g/direwolf/topic/81548950#5064
They guy had a heck of a time and pointed out some serious concerns using Baofeng. Mainly volume level, stability, and mostly unpredictable expectations from radio to radio. This goes to the "hardened" comment I had.
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Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
A friend of mine uses as far as I know an EasyDigi with his Baofeng and that was also the way the government organization was thinking of going. I myself use a DINAH soundcard with a raspberry?pi with pat and a Kenwood TM-V71A?
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 11:57 Patrick Bouldin KM5L < patrick@...> wrote: John,
Have you seen it work?? I saw the following post from this group: /g/direwolf/topic/81548950#5064
They guy had a heck of a time and pointed out some serious concerns using Baofeng. Mainly volume level, stability, and mostly unpredictable expectations from radio to radio. This goes to the "hardened" comment I had.
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Hello Patrick,
Direwolf is a packet TNC and APRS client but it doesn't have any
Winlink functionality.? You CAN integrate Direwolf with other
Winlink tools though and here is a decent overview of most (but
not all the offerings):
?? PAT - A Linux native web based winlink client :
??
?? BPQ32 Winlink - using BPQ32 to interface with RMS servers :
?? PacLink-Unix - services
to interface between Winlink and a local POP/IMAP email service
:
?? PiGate - a Raspberry Pi image to
interface between Winlink and a local POP/IMAP email service :
there is an ALPHA version that now adds Direwolf support :
?? Windows Winlink Express - Running the Windows Winlink
under WINE:
??
--David
KI6ZHD
On 09/20/2021 08:43 AM, Patrick Bouldin
KM5L wrote:
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Good morning, de Patrick, KM5L - hoping to learn how
to use direwolf on a raspberry pi in order to run Winlink. Is that
officially possible? Both client and gateway?
Thanks and 73.
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Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
A good radio and, while "end-of-life" it is still available and will last a long time after purchase.
Thanks and 73,
-Corky, AF4PM
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, at 9:51 AM, Steve Stroh wrote:
Also end of life :-(
Kenwood TM-V71A
Pro:
Easy to interface
Kenwood quality
Dual receive
Con:
More expensive than a Baofeng.
Danny
K5CG
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28:36 AM
Subject: [direwolf] What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
Hi, our? ARES group is about to get moving on Winlink for EMCOM purposes - and, were WERE going to use: Baofeng, Direwolf, Raspberry Pi, but after hearing about several issues with Baofeng (and a very nice post here in this group), I'm thinking the Baofeng is not "Battle hardened" for ARES.?
What radio/handheld or other radio have you used with Direwolf and Winlink?? Can it be sufficiently battle-hardened (for emergency prep, ready to go, dependable)?
Of course, we will need to find a sufficient quantity if you recommend something older.
Thanks in advance,
73,
Patrick KM5L
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Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
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Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
John, Have you seen it work?? I saw the following post from this group: /g/direwolf/topic/81548950#5064They guy had a heck of a time and pointed out some serious concerns using Baofeng. Mainly volume level, stability, and mostly unpredictable expectations from radio to radio. This goes to the "hardened" comment I had.
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Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
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Kenwood TM-V71A
Pro: Easy to interface Kenwood quality Dual receive
Con: More expensive than a Baofeng.
Danny K5CG
From: "Patrick Bouldin KM5L" <patrick@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28:36 AM
Subject: [direwolf] What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
Hi, our? ARES group is about to get moving on Winlink for EMCOM purposes - and, were WERE going to use: Baofeng, Direwolf, Raspberry Pi, but after hearing about several issues with Baofeng (and a very nice post here in this group), I'm thinking the Baofeng is not "Battle hardened" for ARES.?
What radio/handheld or other radio have you used with Direwolf and Winlink?? Can it be sufficiently battle-hardened (for emergency prep, ready to go, dependable)?
Of course, we will need to find a sufficient quantity if you recommend something older.
Thanks in advance,
73,
Patrick KM5L
-- Steve Stroh stevestroh@...Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - (new) Twitter - @zeroretries
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Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
Kenwood TM-V71A
Pro: Easy to interface Kenwood quality Dual receive
Con: More expensive than a Baofeng.
Danny K5CG
From: "Patrick Bouldin KM5L" <patrick@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28:36 AM
Subject: [direwolf] What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
Hi, our? ARES group is about to get moving on Winlink for EMCOM purposes - and, were WERE going to use: Baofeng, Direwolf, Raspberry Pi, but after hearing about several issues with Baofeng (and a very nice post here in this group), I'm thinking the Baofeng is not "Battle hardened" for ARES.?
What radio/handheld or other radio have you used with Direwolf and Winlink?? Can it be sufficiently battle-hardened (for emergency prep, ready to go, dependable)?
Of course, we will need to find a sufficient quantity if you recommend something older.
Thanks in advance,
73,
Patrick KM5L
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Re: What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
The Baofeng should suffice, from a close contact I learned that even a government organization was going the Baofeng way to use with WinLink. Only problem with the Baofeng's is to make sure you don't use the VOX as that will leave long empty tails, so you will need some kind of switching circuit.
John - K5GT?
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What are the proven and cost effective radios to use with Direwolf and Winlink?
Hi, our? ARES group is about to get moving on Winlink for EMCOM purposes - and, were WERE going to use: Baofeng, Direwolf, Raspberry Pi, but after hearing about several issues with Baofeng (and a very nice post here in this group), I'm thinking the Baofeng is not "Battle hardened" for ARES.?
What radio/handheld or other radio have you used with Direwolf and Winlink?? Can it be sufficiently battle-hardened (for emergency prep, ready to go, dependable)?
Of course, we will need to find a sufficient quantity if you recommend something older.
Thanks in advance,
73,
Patrick KM5L
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Re: Problems compiling Direwolf 1.7 on RPi OS10
Hello Roger,
Thank you for your response. The GUI is required as we are using
RPis with Direwolf and pi? linBPQ for packet nodes with remote
management through VNC and desire to view the various terminal
windows and BPQ WEB management window.?
I'm not aware of anything in BPQ32 requiring a GUI per se.? You
could do things with multiple SSH session or get fancier with
multi-terminal interfaces like screeen, tmux, etc.? The choice is
yours.
The Raspberry Pi instructions for installing Direwolf
set forth in
users manual still calls for removing pulseaudio.? (Page 7).??
What else in that instruction set is out-of-date?
Pretty much the instructions are very good except that PulseAudio
removal item.
--David
KI6ZHD
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Re: Problems compiling Direwolf 1.7 on RPi OS10
Hey Ray,
You're right.. this isn't a Raspberry Pi OS bug per se.. it's a
Debian bug.? A nasty one at that!? I don't know of the Raspberry
Pi Foundation builds all their own .deb packages for their repos
and images but if they do, this is something they can fix
internally and upstream the fix to the Debian maintainers later.
Just an idea..
--David
KI6ZHD
On 09/19/2021 03:20 PM, Ray Wells
wrote:
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David,
It's not really a RPi problem, it's related to apt decisions.
Some reading on Stackexchange -
- shows the problem is not new and not restricted to the RPi.
Taken from the page (above), the following quote leads into a
workaround - sudo apt install --no-install-recommends git-all -
but I seriously think few end users would need anything but git,
and can safely leave git-all alone.
<quote>
git-all recommends git-daemon-run, and that depends on runit,
which conflicts with systemd, or rather systemd-sysv. This ends up
causing a conflict with GNOME, and apt chooses to remove the
conflicting packages.
To avoid this, there are two solutions:
install git-all without the recommended packages:
sudo apt install --no-install-recommends git-all
avoid installing git-all, and only install the packages you need:
sudo apt install git
</quote>
HTH
Ray vk2tv
On 20/9/21 1:01 am, David Ranch
wrote:
Hello Roger, Ray,
I have NO idea why the "git-all" meta package would have
dependencies on Xwindows packages but I would say that if
installing it breaks your GUI setup, that's VERY broken.? If
you're willing to do the work, please file a Raspberry Pi bug
about it:
??
Roger:? One thing:? you NO longer need to remove PulseAudio from
your Raspberry Pi system.? That is a leftover from that older
Direwolf when PulseAudio had issues on the Rpi.? I would
recommend to NOT remove it if you're using a desktop enabled
Rpi.
--David
KI6ZHD
Roger, all,
I know it's not on a RPi but for my Buster desktop, selecting
git-all marks a disturbing number of packages for removal. Not
insignificant are lightdm, network manager,
network-manager-gnome, systemd-sysv, task-xfce-desktop, and
numerous desktop tools that may/may not be on YOUR required
list. Perhaps some of those don't apply for the RPi but from
memory, lightdm is used as the desktop manager and you
wouldn't want it missing in action :) I have previously
compiled Direwolf on both model B and RPi4 using just the
basic git as the basis for the process.
Given that the git package - apt install git - is all that is
required to handle git for Direwolf (and every other git based
programs I've used) I suggest you remove and purge git-all,
and install git. Naturally there are a few other dependencies?
such as cmake, et al, but cmake probably marks those for you
for installation.
Regards
Ray vk2tv
On 19/9/21 10:17 am, Roger wrote:
David:
hello, Thank you for responding.? Yes, exactly.? I burn a
new micro-SD card with Raspbian OS10, run through the set up
& reboot, no problem. Then remove pulseaudio &
reboot, no problem. Then run the command sudo apt install
git-all and reboot and the Desktop GUI disappears. Then,
going through the raspi-config set-up for boot into GUI does
no good. I've done this 6-times sequentially, with new cards
and two different RPis thinking I miss-keyed or some other
goof.? A friend tried it with different cards, different
RPi, different network and the results were the same.
Desktop GUI disappears and no way to bring it back.
I will try sudo apt install git to see if it works.
Thank you
Regards;
Roger, N1XP
On 9/18/21 1:01 PM, David Ranch wrote:
Are you saying that if you start with a stock Raspberry Pi
OS image with the desktop which works as expected, one you
install git, the desktop UI crashes and no longer works?!?
I don't see how that's possible though I would also say
just use "sudo apt install git" and not use the "git-all"
meta package that is probably bringing in a lot of other
packages you don't need.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 09/18/2021 09:52 AM, Roger wrote:
The problem isn't really with
Direwolf--?? When I install git? (sudo apt install
git-all) the RPI Desktop GUI is lost after reboot.
Re-configuring the raspi-config settings do not restart
the desktop.? Any suggestions on a different method of
compiling on RPi without loosing the desktop?
Roger, N1XP
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Re: Problems compiling Direwolf 1.7 on RPi OS10
No, it's a command line tool used as "git clone <address>"
that fetches the remote data and expands it into directories under
Direwolf, in this case, and the GUI environment isn't needed for
git. It can, of course, be called from a terminal in a GUI
environment.
Ray vk2tv
On 20/9/21 10:49 am, Martin Cooper
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But the
question is, do you need a GUI *for git*? As has been
mentioned a few times, building Direwolf requires only the
'git' package, and not the 'git-all' package, the latter
being?what seems to be causing the problem. Have you tried
installing just 'git' instead of 'git-all'?
Martin.
KD6YAM
On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 5:29
PM Roger < roger@...> wrote:
David:
Thank you for your response. The GUI is required as we are
using RPis with Direwolf and pi? linBPQ for packet nodes
with remote management through VNC and desire to view the
various terminal windows and BPQ WEB management window.?
The Raspberry Pi instructions for installing Direwolf set
forth in
users manual still calls for removing pulseaudio.? (Page
7).?? What else in that instruction set is out-of-date?
Roger
On 9/19/21 11:01 AM, David Ranch wrote:
Hello Roger, Ray,
I have NO idea why the "git-all" meta package would have
dependencies on Xwindows packages but I would say that if
installing it breaks your GUI setup, that's VERY broken.?
If you're willing to do the work, please file a Raspberry
Pi bug about it:
??
Roger:? One thing:? you NO longer need to remove
PulseAudio from your Raspberry Pi system.? That is a
leftover from that older Direwolf when PulseAudio had
issues on the Rpi.? I would recommend to NOT remove it if
you're using a desktop enabled Rpi.
--David
KI6ZHD
Roger, all,
I know it's not on a RPi but for my Buster desktop,
selecting git-all marks a disturbing number of packages
for removal. Not insignificant are lightdm, network
manager, network-manager-gnome, systemd-sysv,
task-xfce-desktop, and numerous desktop tools that
may/may not be on YOUR required list. Perhaps some of
those don't apply for the RPi but from memory, lightdm
is used as the desktop manager and you wouldn't want it
missing in action :) I have previously compiled Direwolf
on both model B and RPi4 using just the basic git as the
basis for the process.
Given that the git package - apt install git - is all
that is required to handle git for Direwolf (and every
other git based programs I've used) I suggest you remove
and purge git-all, and install git. Naturally there are
a few other dependencies? such as cmake, et al, but
cmake probably marks those for you for installation.
Regards
Ray vk2tv
On 19/9/21 10:17 am, Roger wrote:
David:
hello, Thank you for responding.? Yes, exactly.? I
burn a new micro-SD card with Raspbian OS10, run
through the set up & reboot, no problem. Then
remove pulseaudio & reboot, no problem. Then run
the command sudo apt install git-all and reboot and
the Desktop GUI disappears. Then, going through the
raspi-config set-up for boot into GUI does no good.
I've done this 6-times sequentially, with new cards
and two different RPis thinking I miss-keyed or some
other goof.? A friend tried it with different cards,
different RPi, different network and the results were
the same. Desktop GUI disappears and no way to bring
it back.
I will try sudo apt install git to see if it works.
Thank you
Regards;
Roger, N1XP
On 9/18/21 1:01 PM, David Ranch wrote:
Are you saying that if you start with a stock
Raspberry Pi OS image with the desktop which works
as expected, one you install git, the desktop UI
crashes and no longer works?!? I don't see how
that's possible though I would also say just use
"sudo apt install git" and not use the "git-all"
meta package that is probably bringing in a lot of
other packages you don't need.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 09/18/2021 09:52 AM, Roger wrote:
The problem isn't really
with Direwolf--?? When I install git? (sudo apt
install git-all) the RPI Desktop GUI is lost after
reboot. Re-configuring the raspi-config settings
do not restart the desktop.? Any suggestions on a
different method of compiling on RPi without
loosing the desktop?
Roger, N1XP
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Re: Problems compiling Direwolf 1.7 on RPi OS10
But the question is, do you need a GUI *for git*? As has been mentioned a few times, building Direwolf requires only the 'git' package, and not the 'git-all' package, the latter being?what seems to be causing the problem. Have you tried installing just 'git' instead of 'git-all'?
Martin. KD6YAM
On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 5:29 PM Roger < roger@...> wrote:
David:
Thank you for your response. The GUI is required as we are using
RPis with Direwolf and pi? linBPQ for packet nodes with remote
management through VNC and desire to view the various terminal
windows and BPQ WEB management window.?
The Raspberry Pi instructions for installing Direwolf set forth in
users manual still calls for removing pulseaudio.? (Page 7).?? What
else in that instruction set is out-of-date?
Roger
On 9/19/21 11:01 AM, David Ranch wrote:
Hello Roger, Ray,
I have NO idea why the "git-all" meta package would have
dependencies on Xwindows packages but I would say that if
installing it breaks your GUI setup, that's VERY broken.? If
you're willing to do the work, please file a Raspberry Pi bug
about it:
??
Roger:? One thing:? you NO longer need to remove PulseAudio from
your Raspberry Pi system.? That is a leftover from that older
Direwolf when PulseAudio had issues on the Rpi.? I would recommend
to NOT remove it if you're using a desktop enabled Rpi.
--David
KI6ZHD
Roger, all,
I know it's not on a RPi but for my Buster desktop, selecting
git-all marks a disturbing number of packages for removal. Not
insignificant are lightdm, network manager,
network-manager-gnome, systemd-sysv, task-xfce-desktop, and
numerous desktop tools that may/may not be on YOUR required
list. Perhaps some of those don't apply for the RPi but from
memory, lightdm is used as the desktop manager and you wouldn't
want it missing in action :) I have previously compiled Direwolf
on both model B and RPi4 using just the basic git as the basis
for the process.
Given that the git package - apt install git - is all that is
required to handle git for Direwolf (and every other git based
programs I've used) I suggest you remove and purge git-all, and
install git. Naturally there are a few other dependencies? such
as cmake, et al, but cmake probably marks those for you for
installation.
Regards
Ray vk2tv
On 19/9/21 10:17 am, Roger wrote:
David:
hello, Thank you for responding.? Yes, exactly.? I burn a new
micro-SD card with Raspbian OS10, run through the set up &
reboot, no problem. Then remove pulseaudio & reboot, no
problem. Then run the command sudo apt install git-all and
reboot and the Desktop GUI disappears. Then, going through the
raspi-config set-up for boot into GUI does no good. I've done
this 6-times sequentially, with new cards and two different
RPis thinking I miss-keyed or some other goof.? A friend tried
it with different cards, different RPi, different network and
the results were the same. Desktop GUI disappears and no way
to bring it back.
I will try sudo apt install git to see if it works.
Thank you
Regards;
Roger, N1XP
On 9/18/21 1:01 PM, David Ranch wrote:
Are you saying that if you start with a stock Raspberry Pi
OS image with the desktop which works as expected, one you
install git, the desktop UI crashes and no longer works?!? I
don't see how that's possible though I would also say just
use "sudo apt install git" and not use the "git-all" meta
package that is probably bringing in a lot of other packages
you don't need.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 09/18/2021 09:52 AM, Roger wrote:
The problem isn't really with
Direwolf--?? When I install git? (sudo apt install
git-all) the RPI Desktop GUI is lost after reboot.
Re-configuring the raspi-config settings do not restart
the desktop.? Any suggestions on a different method of
compiling on RPi without loosing the desktop?
Roger, N1XP
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Re: Problems compiling Direwolf 1.7 on RPi OS10
David:
Thank you for your response. The GUI is required as we are using
RPis with Direwolf and pi? linBPQ for packet nodes with remote
management through VNC and desire to view the various terminal
windows and BPQ WEB management window.?
The Raspberry Pi instructions for installing Direwolf set forth in
users manual still calls for removing pulseaudio.? (Page 7).?? What
else in that instruction set is out-of-date?
Roger
On 9/19/21 11:01 AM, David Ranch wrote:
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Hello Roger, Ray,
I have NO idea why the "git-all" meta package would have
dependencies on Xwindows packages but I would say that if
installing it breaks your GUI setup, that's VERY broken.? If
you're willing to do the work, please file a Raspberry Pi bug
about it:
??
Roger:? One thing:? you NO longer need to remove PulseAudio from
your Raspberry Pi system.? That is a leftover from that older
Direwolf when PulseAudio had issues on the Rpi.? I would recommend
to NOT remove it if you're using a desktop enabled Rpi.
--David
KI6ZHD
Roger, all,
I know it's not on a RPi but for my Buster desktop, selecting
git-all marks a disturbing number of packages for removal. Not
insignificant are lightdm, network manager,
network-manager-gnome, systemd-sysv, task-xfce-desktop, and
numerous desktop tools that may/may not be on YOUR required
list. Perhaps some of those don't apply for the RPi but from
memory, lightdm is used as the desktop manager and you wouldn't
want it missing in action :) I have previously compiled Direwolf
on both model B and RPi4 using just the basic git as the basis
for the process.
Given that the git package - apt install git - is all that is
required to handle git for Direwolf (and every other git based
programs I've used) I suggest you remove and purge git-all, and
install git. Naturally there are a few other dependencies? such
as cmake, et al, but cmake probably marks those for you for
installation.
Regards
Ray vk2tv
On 19/9/21 10:17 am, Roger wrote:
David:
hello, Thank you for responding.? Yes, exactly.? I burn a new
micro-SD card with Raspbian OS10, run through the set up &
reboot, no problem. Then remove pulseaudio & reboot, no
problem. Then run the command sudo apt install git-all and
reboot and the Desktop GUI disappears. Then, going through the
raspi-config set-up for boot into GUI does no good. I've done
this 6-times sequentially, with new cards and two different
RPis thinking I miss-keyed or some other goof.? A friend tried
it with different cards, different RPi, different network and
the results were the same. Desktop GUI disappears and no way
to bring it back.
I will try sudo apt install git to see if it works.
Thank you
Regards;
Roger, N1XP
On 9/18/21 1:01 PM, David Ranch wrote:
Are you saying that if you start with a stock Raspberry Pi
OS image with the desktop which works as expected, one you
install git, the desktop UI crashes and no longer works?!? I
don't see how that's possible though I would also say just
use "sudo apt install git" and not use the "git-all" meta
package that is probably bringing in a lot of other packages
you don't need.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 09/18/2021 09:52 AM, Roger wrote:
The problem isn't really with
Direwolf--?? When I install git? (sudo apt install
git-all) the RPI Desktop GUI is lost after reboot.
Re-configuring the raspi-config settings do not restart
the desktop.? Any suggestions on a different method of
compiling on RPi without loosing the desktop?
Roger, N1XP
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