Hello David, it seems your post didn't refresh in my browser before I posted. Thanks for taking the time to read this lengthy and starting to get confusing thread. I quickly realized that you are right, pi5 will need bookworm, period. I was using Xorg, because wayland is broken. WRT the potential miswiring of the cm108... I definitely have the correct pin (pin 13) on the CM108 wired to PTT. The PTT does work fine otherwise. Also, the slider that's dropping is actually the one for my ic7300, not the cm108. For reference, here's the mod I used:??As you can see the photos, schem, and text are very clear, no possible confusion with pinouts I think. I copied the mod exactly, with the addition of a doide on COS (which isn't used here anyways). I agree it could still be RFI I suppose... and that's an awesome idea for a test. Unfortunately I have already verified that my stupid uv5r will tx out of range. It's not just lighting up, but actually putting out RF into my attenuators and tinySA when I tested on a NOAA freq. What I can do is put my 100W dummy load on for a test... but that doesn't guarantee no rfi. For VNC client, I'm using realvnc because I'm accessing from my iphone, ios tablet, and a win11 pc. I read some good stuff about like tiger and other clients, but the ios stuff doesn't offer it. Any other ideas for clients? Also, yes the vnc session continues to operate... keyboard still works through vnc. I can also ssh in when it happens, and htop shows normal loading for the apps at play (~13% or so). I haven't thought to look at journalctl yet though. What might this show?