Well I was just reminded why bullseye on pi5 didn't go well... it didn't go at all. Now I recall correctly it was actually bookworm 32bit that didn't go well. The rpi imager app does not even offer bullseye for pi5. So I'm guessing it would be a bit of a battle to get that installed. I will just try to procede again with bw64, but this time I will only do things that I know had to be done to get things working, and no other side experiments. This hosed install, I did mess with pulseaudio and a few other things that could have caused problems. I'll more carefully document every single step I do in this process, and report back with the results.