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Knee mill #CNC #MILLS


 

Here are pictures of a counter weight I am fitting in my milling machine . I acquired a CNC mill that is similar to the one in the picture. For the Z axis movement the entire knee with the x and y axis have to move up and down.? That is 280lbs that the little stepper motor have to lift . The previous owner blew 2 stepper drivers. After the first he did fit a gas spring to try and counter act the weight. It was under sized and they loose pressure over time. So I decided to rather fit a counter weight that move up? and down in the column with a cable and 2 pulleys. I will have it running down 2 loose fitting rods to reduce the pendulum movement of the counter mass.? I took what ever material I had in the workshop,an old driveshaft and some flanges. It will not be completely balanced but at least I removed 3/4 of the weight.??


 

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??? ??? how do ya like that mill ? I was given one , but before I could go get it the pandemic started so it just sits 300+ miles from me

??? ??? animal

On 4/20/2020 3:01 PM, Cornelius Wessels wrote:

Here are pictures of a counter weight I am fitting in my milling machine . I acquired a CNC mill that is similar to the one in the picture. For the Z axis movement the entire knee with the x and y axis have to move up and down.? That is 280lbs that the little stepper motor have to lift . The previous owner blew 2 stepper drivers. After the first he did fit a gas spring to try and counter act the weight. It was under sized and they loose pressure over time. So I decided to rather fit a counter weight that move up? and down in the column with a cable and 2 pulleys. I will have it running down 2 loose fitting rods to reduce the pendulum movement of the counter mass.? I took what ever material I had in the workshop,an old driveshaft and some flanges. It will not be completely balanced but at least I removed 3/4 of the weight.??


 

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I've used 3:1 to the handle shaft which goes to a bevel gear which then turns the 0.25" pitch knee acme screw.? I'm using a 60VDC supply and a 1200 oz-in motor.? I can get 25 ipm with it before the motor starts losing steps.?

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I think if I went 4:1 I'd probably get slightly faster speed depending on how that reduction moves speed relative to where on the torque curve the motor sits.?? Or with 4:1 install an AC Servo.

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I don't know what a counter weight assembly would do for backlash.

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John Dammeyer

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cornelius Wessels
Sent: April-20-20 3:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [digitalhobbyist] Knee mill

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Here are pictures of a counter weight I am fitting in my milling machine . I acquired a CNC mill that is similar to the one in the picture. For the Z axis movement the entire knee with the x and y axis have to move up and down.? That is 280lbs that the little stepper motor have to lift . The previous owner blew 2 stepper drivers. After the first he did fit a gas spring to try and counter act the weight. It was under sized and they loose pressure over time. So I decided to rather fit a counter weight that move up? and down in the column with a cable and 2 pulleys. I will have it running down 2 loose fitting rods to reduce the pendulum movement of the counter mass.? I took what ever material I had in the workshop,an old driveshaft and some flanges. It will not be completely balanced but at least I removed 3/4 of the weight.??


 

It is a very rigid mill , the slides does have the proper scraping finish. The base is very heavy . So far I am happy with the package.
The first thing that I am replacing is the DC motor and rather fitting an AC motor with a VFD.
I will drive 300 miles for that mill.


---- On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:23:55 -0400 mike allen <animal@...> wrote ----

how do ya like that mill ? I was given one , but before I could go get it the pandemic started so it just sits 300+ miles from me
>
> animal
>
> On 4/20/2020 3:01 PM, Cornelius Wessels wrote:
> Here are pictures of a counter weight I am fitting in my milling machine . I acquired a CNC mill that is similar to the one in the picture. For the Z axis movement the entire knee with the x and y axis have to move up and down. That is 280lbs that the little stepper motor have to lift . The previous owner blew 2 stepper drivers. After the first he did fit a gas spring to try and counter act the weight. It was under sized and they loose pressure over time. So I decided to rather fit a counter weight that move up and down in the column with a cable and 2 pulleys. I will have it running down 2 loose fitting rods to reduce the pendulum movement of the counter mass. I took what ever material I had in the workshop,an old driveshaft and some flanges. It will not be completely balanced but at least I removed 3/4 of the weight.
>
>


 

so will I as soon as the restrictions are lifted . they also gave a ENCO 11x20 lathe & a bunch of tooling . don't know if I'll keep my South bend or the enco

??? ??? thanks

??? ??? animal

On 4/20/2020 4:42 PM, Cornelius Wessels wrote:
It is a very rigid mill , the slides does have the proper scraping finish. The base is very heavy . So far I am happy with the package.
The first thing that I am replacing is the DC motor and rather fitting an AC motor with a VFD.
I will drive 300 miles for that mill.


---- On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:23:55 -0400 mike allen <animal@...> wrote ----
> how do ya like that mill ? I was given one , but before I could go get it the pandemic started so it just sits 300+ miles from me
>
> animal
>
> On 4/20/2020 3:01 PM, Cornelius Wessels wrote:
> Here are pictures of a counter weight I am fitting in my milling machine . I acquired a CNC mill that is similar to the one in the picture. For the Z axis movement the entire knee with the x and y axis have to move up and down. That is 280lbs that the little stepper motor have to lift . The previous owner blew 2 stepper drivers. After the first he did fit a gas spring to try and counter act the weight. It was under sized and they loose pressure over time. So I decided to rather fit a counter weight that move up and down in the column with a cable and 2 pulleys. I will have it running down 2 loose fitting rods to reduce the pendulum movement of the counter mass. I took what ever material I had in the workshop,an old driveshaft and some flanges. It will not be completely balanced but at least I removed 3/4 of the weight.
>
>



 

I'm replacing the 2HP single phase 1.5kW motor with this 1.8kW AC Servo. Currently run with a little module changing PWM to 0V-10V along with a direction signal it will also take step/dir for tight control over tapping.

Just need to finishing building the casting cope and drag for the bigger mounting plate and get off my rear side and cast and machine it. The motor sitting there aleady runs under the CNC commands even though I'm still using the single phase motor.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cornelius Wessels
Sent: April-20-20 4:43 PM
To: digitalhobbyist
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] Knee mill

It is a very rigid mill , the slides does have the proper scraping finish. The base is very heavy . So far I am happy with the package.
The first thing that I am replacing is the DC motor and rather fitting an AC motor with a VFD.
I will drive 300 miles for that mill.


---- On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:23:55 -0400 mike allen <animal@...> wrote ----
> how do ya like that mill ? I was given one , but before I could go get it the pandemic started so it just sits 300+ miles
from me
>
> animal
>
> On 4/20/2020 3:01 PM, Cornelius Wessels wrote:
> Here are pictures of a counter weight I am fitting in my milling machine . I acquired a CNC mill that is similar to the
one in the picture. For the Z axis movement the entire knee with the x and y axis have to move up and down. That is 280lbs
that the little stepper motor have to lift . The previous owner blew 2 stepper drivers. After the first he did fit a gas spring to
try and counter act the weight. It was under sized and they loose pressure over time. So I decided to rather fit a counter
weight that move up and down in the column with a cable and 2 pulleys. I will have it running down 2 loose fitting rods to
reduce the pendulum movement of the counter mass. I took what ever material I had in the workshop,an old driveshaft and
some flanges. It will not be completely balanced but at least I removed 3/4 of the weight.
>
>


 

thats a sweet lookin motor , I bet their pretty proud of that & the controller

??? ??? animal

On 4/20/2020 5:09 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:
I'm replacing the 2HP single phase 1.5kW motor with this 1.8kW AC Servo. Currently run with a little module changing PWM to 0V-10V along with a direction signal it will also take step/dir for tight control over tapping.

Just need to finishing building the casting cope and drag for the bigger mounting plate and get off my rear side and cast and machine it. The motor sitting there aleady runs under the CNC commands even though I'm still using the single phase motor.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cornelius Wessels
Sent: April-20-20 4:43 PM
To: digitalhobbyist
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] Knee mill

It is a very rigid mill , the slides does have the proper scraping finish. The base is very heavy . So far I am happy with the package.
The first thing that I am replacing is the DC motor and rather fitting an AC motor with a VFD.
I will drive 300 miles for that mill.


---- On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:23:55 -0400 mike allen <animal@...> wrote ----
> how do ya like that mill ? I was given one , but before I could go get it the pandemic started so it just sits 300+ miles
from me
>
> animal
>
> On 4/20/2020 3:01 PM, Cornelius Wessels wrote:
> Here are pictures of a counter weight I am fitting in my milling machine . I acquired a CNC mill that is similar to the
one in the picture. For the Z axis movement the entire knee with the x and y axis have to move up and down. That is 280lbs
that the little stepper motor have to lift . The previous owner blew 2 stepper drivers. After the first he did fit a gas spring to
try and counter act the weight. It was under sized and they loose pressure over time. So I decided to rather fit a counter
weight that move up and down in the column with a cable and 2 pulleys. I will have it running down 2 loose fitting rods to
reduce the pendulum movement of the counter mass. I took what ever material I had in the workshop,an old driveshaft and
some flanges. It will not be completely balanced but at least I removed 3/4 of the weight.
>
>


 

The support has been really good. I've discovered they are a little more expensive than some of the other AC Servos coming out of China. According to their sales guy; the brand I price compared to, he claimed wasn't of the same quality. This is a Bergerda drive and I've been dealing direct with them. So far I'm pretty happy with them. I'll be ordering a few more in the next few weeks once I get the spindle motor mounted. A big cost is shipping.

I really do need to cast those mounting plates so I can mount it. I think I'm procrastinating because I'm afraid something won't work or fit and I'll be back at square 1.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: April-20-20 5:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] Knee mill

??? ??? thats a sweet lookin motor , I bet their pretty proud of that &
the controller

??? ??? animal

On 4/20/2020 5:09 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:
I'm replacing the 2HP single phase 1.5kW motor with this 1.8kW AC Servo. Currently run with a little module changing PWM to
0V-10V along with a direction signal it will also take step/dir for tight control over tapping.

Just need to finishing building the casting cope and drag for the bigger mounting plate and get off my rear side and cast and
machine it. The motor sitting there aleady runs under the CNC commands even though I'm still using the single phase motor.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cornelius Wessels
Sent: April-20-20 4:43 PM
To: digitalhobbyist
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] Knee mill

It is a very rigid mill , the slides does have the proper scraping finish. The base is very heavy . So far I am happy with the
package.
The first thing that I am replacing is the DC motor and rather fitting an AC motor with a VFD.
I will drive 300 miles for that mill.


---- On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:23:55 -0400 mike allen <animal@...> wrote ----
> how do ya like that mill ? I was given one , but before I could go get it the pandemic started so it just sits 300+
miles
from me
>
> animal
>
> On 4/20/2020 3:01 PM, Cornelius Wessels wrote:
> Here are pictures of a counter weight I am fitting in my milling machine . I acquired a CNC mill that is similar to
the
one in the picture. For the Z axis movement the entire knee with the x and y axis have to move up and down. That is
280lbs
that the little stepper motor have to lift . The previous owner blew 2 stepper drivers. After the first he did fit a gas spring
to
try and counter act the weight. It was under sized and they loose pressure over time. So I decided to rather fit a counter
weight that move up and down in the column with a cable and 2 pulleys. I will have it running down 2 loose fitting rods to
reduce the pendulum movement of the counter mass. I took what ever material I had in the workshop,an old driveshaft
and
some flanges. It will not be completely balanced but at least I removed 3/4 of the weight.
>
>