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You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism. But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
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You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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Sincere. I'm learning to picture people when they're younger. Maybe one day I feel the same way about old ladies
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 11:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote: I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism. But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote: I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism. But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture ?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote: Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote: I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism. But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
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I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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It was a fair question, Matte, but I knew all along dan was completely sincere. I too ?have found myself much more accepting of all shapes and sizes and relative ugliness.? If before I’d hook up with 20% of girls now it’s 80%. Sigh
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:42 PM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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i was always picky. and would probably be even pickier now. doesn't take a lot to turn me on, but it does take a specific type. and heavy weights need not apply.
On Apr 4, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Joe Steinberger <joe@...> wrote:
It was a fair question, Matte, but I knew all along dan was completely sincere. I too ?have found myself much more accepting of all shapes and sizes and relative ugliness.? If before I’d hook up with 20% of girls now it’s 80%. Sigh
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:42 PM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture ?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote: Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote: I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,?and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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I'm rather much more woke than most of you guys and I think you're being a little offensive to slightly curve girls with really big tits?
i was always picky. and would probably be even pickier now. doesn't take a lot to turn me on, but it does take a specific type. and heavy weights need not apply.
On Apr 4, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Joe Steinberger < joe@...> wrote:
It was a fair question, Matte, but I knew all along dan was completely sincere. I too ?have found myself much more accepting of all shapes and sizes and relative ugliness.? If before I’d hook up with 20% of girls now it’s 80%. Sigh
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:42 PM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture ?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote: Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote: I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,?and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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Dan, I think it’s worth noting that Dave called this THE reason, one “one of the reasons”.?
That’s too bad, Dave. Once in a while it will occur to me to suggest no one mention something such as that, but then I realize that strategy will most likely backfire unfortunately.?
Also, right now I am strongly suppressing the desire to make a body joke. Not sure if I have succeeded.?
Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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yes, as steinberger said, it was the reason. it's weird because i don't have personal self-consciousness stemming from the people around me, so like, if people think my partner is fat or whatever, i really couldn't care less. i suppose in the case of becca, i felt very protective of her, because i understand a lot of her neuroses. but like, at the end of the day, i have my prejudices, so it's not like i can come down on others because they happen to have different prejudices. but i do try to find opportunities, as here, for examining my own habits and prejudices as well as those i find in the people around me.?
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:32 AM Joe Steinberger < joe@...> wrote: Dan, I think it’s worth noting that Dave called this THE reason, one “one of the reasons”.?
That’s too bad, Dave. Once in a while it will occur to me to suggest no one mention something such as that, but then I realize that strategy will most likely backfire unfortunately.?
Also, right now I am strongly suppressing the desire to make a body joke. Not sure if I have succeeded.?
Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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I've shared with a few of you that I think addresses this, in a way.??
I am really sorry that you felt like that. I have made various overweight friends and acquaintances over the years and my lack of sexual interest hasn't been evident, I haven't offended anyone. I can't imagine I would have made her feel bad or insecure about herself, unless you had already told her, 'Dan is a superficial dick'
My own wife's figure is not perfect and, weight will add and add and add and I am ready for this in every way.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:11 AM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: yes, as steinberger said, it was the reason. it's weird because i don't have personal self-consciousness stemming from the people around me, so like, if people think my partner is fat or whatever, i really couldn't care less. i suppose in the case of becca, i felt very protective of her, because i understand a lot of her neuroses. but like, at the end of the day, i have my prejudices, so it's not like i can come down on others because they happen to have different prejudices. but i do try to find opportunities, as here, for examining my own habits and prejudices as well as those i find in the people around me.?
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:32 AM Joe Steinberger < joe@...> wrote: Dan, I think it’s worth noting that Dave called this THE reason, one “one of the reasons”.?
That’s too bad, Dave. Once in a while it will occur to me to suggest no one mention something such as that, but then I realize that strategy will most likely backfire unfortunately.?
Also, right now I am strongly suppressing the desire to make a body joke. Not sure if I have succeeded.?
Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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nah, it's weird, it's not like that. i have no doubt whatsoever that you would have treated becca very well and she would not have felt at all uncomfortable. it's not that at all. it is much more personal. like, as i say, i feel very protective of becca, even now, as i do of everyone i am intimate with. and with her it's one of those things, body image, i mean, she still hasn't figured it out and it has been and continues to be very difficult for her. and i guess there was something in the conjunction of how serious the issue is for her and how strong was my inclination to protect her or help her, along with my deep familiarity with dan's habitual manner of speaking about women's bodies. like somehow in my own mind it felt the more appropriate path to keep the worlds separate (i knew by the time it was a possibility for you to meet that ours wasn't going to be a permanent situation). so yeah, it's nothing like that. i obviously know that you would be a human to anyone i introduced you to. and again, i stress there are no hard feelings here, and you should feel no need to apologize. it was just an extremely personal choice i made. and it never would have come up except for the turn this thread took.
I've shared with a few of you that I think addresses this, in a way.??
I am really sorry that you felt like that. I have made various overweight friends and acquaintances over the years and my lack of sexual interest hasn't been evident, I haven't offended anyone. I can't imagine I would have made her feel bad or insecure about herself, unless you had already told her, 'Dan is a superficial dick'
My own wife's figure is not perfect and, weight will add and add and add and I am ready for this in every way.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:11 AM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: yes, as steinberger said, it was the reason. it's weird because i don't have personal self-consciousness stemming from the people around me, so like, if people think my partner is fat or whatever, i really couldn't care less. i suppose in the case of becca, i felt very protective of her, because i understand a lot of her neuroses. but like, at the end of the day, i have my prejudices, so it's not like i can come down on others because they happen to have different prejudices. but i do try to find opportunities, as here, for examining my own habits and prejudices as well as those i find in the people around me.?
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:32 AM Joe Steinberger < joe@...> wrote: Dan, I think it’s worth noting that Dave called this THE reason, one “one of the reasons”.?
That’s too bad, Dave. Once in a while it will occur to me to suggest no one mention something such as that, but then I realize that strategy will most likely backfire unfortunately.?
Also, right now I am strongly suppressing the desire to make a body joke. Not sure if I have succeeded.?
Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
|
like, we've been friends for 35 years now. it would be weird and frankly unfair to start getting?mad about things like this now
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 10:51 PM David E. Ford Jr. via <ottoemezz= [email protected]> wrote: nah, it's weird, it's not like that. i have no doubt whatsoever that you would have treated becca very well and she would not have felt at all uncomfortable. it's not that at all. it is much more personal. like, as i say, i feel very protective of becca, even now, as i do of everyone i am intimate with. and with her it's one of those things, body image, i mean, she still hasn't figured it out and it has been and continues to be very difficult for her. and i guess there was something in the conjunction of how serious the issue is for her and how strong was my inclination to protect her or help her, along with my deep familiarity with dan's habitual manner of speaking about women's bodies. like somehow in my own mind it felt the more appropriate path to keep the worlds separate (i knew by the time it was a possibility for you to meet that ours wasn't going to be a permanent situation). so yeah, it's nothing like that. i obviously know that you would be a human to anyone i introduced you to. and again, i stress there are no hard feelings here, and you should feel no need to apologize. it was just an extremely personal choice i made. and it never would have come up except for the turn this thread took.
I've shared with a few of you that I think addresses this, in a way.??
I am really sorry that you felt like that. I have made various overweight friends and acquaintances over the years and my lack of sexual interest hasn't been evident, I haven't offended anyone. I can't imagine I would have made her feel bad or insecure about herself, unless you had already told her, 'Dan is a superficial dick'
My own wife's figure is not perfect and, weight will add and add and add and I am ready for this in every way.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:11 AM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: yes, as steinberger said, it was the reason. it's weird because i don't have personal self-consciousness stemming from the people around me, so like, if people think my partner is fat or whatever, i really couldn't care less. i suppose in the case of becca, i felt very protective of her, because i understand a lot of her neuroses. but like, at the end of the day, i have my prejudices, so it's not like i can come down on others because they happen to have different prejudices. but i do try to find opportunities, as here, for examining my own habits and prejudices as well as those i find in the people around me.?
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:32 AM Joe Steinberger < joe@...> wrote: Dan, I think it’s worth noting that Dave called this THE reason, one “one of the reasons”.?
That’s too bad, Dave. Once in a while it will occur to me to suggest no one mention something such as that, but then I realize that strategy will most likely backfire unfortunately.?
Also, right now I am strongly suppressing the desire to make a body joke. Not sure if I have succeeded.?
Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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p.s. i'm listening to depeche mode violator as i write these emails
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 10:58 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: like, we've been friends for 35 years now. it would be weird and frankly unfair to start getting?mad about things like this now
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 10:51 PM David E. Ford Jr. via <ottoemezz= [email protected]> wrote: nah, it's weird, it's not like that. i have no doubt whatsoever that you would have treated becca very well and she would not have felt at all uncomfortable. it's not that at all. it is much more personal. like, as i say, i feel very protective of becca, even now, as i do of everyone i am intimate with. and with her it's one of those things, body image, i mean, she still hasn't figured it out and it has been and continues to be very difficult for her. and i guess there was something in the conjunction of how serious the issue is for her and how strong was my inclination to protect her or help her, along with my deep familiarity with dan's habitual manner of speaking about women's bodies. like somehow in my own mind it felt the more appropriate path to keep the worlds separate (i knew by the time it was a possibility for you to meet that ours wasn't going to be a permanent situation). so yeah, it's nothing like that. i obviously know that you would be a human to anyone i introduced you to. and again, i stress there are no hard feelings here, and you should feel no need to apologize. it was just an extremely personal choice i made. and it never would have come up except for the turn this thread took.
I've shared with a few of you that I think addresses this, in a way.??
I am really sorry that you felt like that. I have made various overweight friends and acquaintances over the years and my lack of sexual interest hasn't been evident, I haven't offended anyone. I can't imagine I would have made her feel bad or insecure about herself, unless you had already told her, 'Dan is a superficial dick'
My own wife's figure is not perfect and, weight will add and add and add and I am ready for this in every way.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:11 AM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: yes, as steinberger said, it was the reason. it's weird because i don't have personal self-consciousness stemming from the people around me, so like, if people think my partner is fat or whatever, i really couldn't care less. i suppose in the case of becca, i felt very protective of her, because i understand a lot of her neuroses. but like, at the end of the day, i have my prejudices, so it's not like i can come down on others because they happen to have different prejudices. but i do try to find opportunities, as here, for examining my own habits and prejudices as well as those i find in the people around me.?
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:32 AM Joe Steinberger < joe@...> wrote: Dan, I think it’s worth noting that Dave called this THE reason, one “one of the reasons”.?
That’s too bad, Dave. Once in a while it will occur to me to suggest no one mention something such as that, but then I realize that strategy will most likely backfire unfortunately.?
Also, right now I am strongly suppressing the desire to make a body joke. Not sure if I have succeeded.?
Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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Try out these two newer ones:
(it's worth it when you get to the end..slow build up)
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 12:14 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: p.s. i'm listening to depeche mode violator as i write these emails
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 10:58 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: like, we've been friends for 35 years now. it would be weird and frankly unfair to start getting?mad about things like this now
On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 10:51 PM David E. Ford Jr. via <ottoemezz= [email protected]> wrote: nah, it's weird, it's not like that. i have no doubt whatsoever that you would have treated becca very well and she would not have felt at all uncomfortable. it's not that at all. it is much more personal. like, as i say, i feel very protective of becca, even now, as i do of everyone i am intimate with. and with her it's one of those things, body image, i mean, she still hasn't figured it out and it has been and continues to be very difficult for her. and i guess there was something in the conjunction of how serious the issue is for her and how strong was my inclination to protect her or help her, along with my deep familiarity with dan's habitual manner of speaking about women's bodies. like somehow in my own mind it felt the more appropriate path to keep the worlds separate (i knew by the time it was a possibility for you to meet that ours wasn't going to be a permanent situation). so yeah, it's nothing like that. i obviously know that you would be a human to anyone i introduced you to. and again, i stress there are no hard feelings here, and you should feel no need to apologize. it was just an extremely personal choice i made. and it never would have come up except for the turn this thread took.
I've shared with a few of you that I think addresses this, in a way.??
I am really sorry that you felt like that. I have made various overweight friends and acquaintances over the years and my lack of sexual interest hasn't been evident, I haven't offended anyone. I can't imagine I would have made her feel bad or insecure about herself, unless you had already told her, 'Dan is a superficial dick'
My own wife's figure is not perfect and, weight will add and add and add and I am ready for this in every way.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:11 AM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: yes, as steinberger said, it was the reason. it's weird because i don't have personal self-consciousness stemming from the people around me, so like, if people think my partner is fat or whatever, i really couldn't care less. i suppose in the case of becca, i felt very protective of her, because i understand a lot of her neuroses. but like, at the end of the day, i have my prejudices, so it's not like i can come down on others because they happen to have different prejudices. but i do try to find opportunities, as here, for examining my own habits and prejudices as well as those i find in the people around me.?
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:32 AM Joe Steinberger < joe@...> wrote: Dan, I think it’s worth noting that Dave called this THE reason, one “one of the reasons”.?
That’s too bad, Dave. Once in a while it will occur to me to suggest no one mention something such as that, but then I realize that strategy will most likely backfire unfortunately.?
Also, right now I am strongly suppressing the desire to make a body joke. Not sure if I have succeeded.?
Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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it's also worth mentioning pertinent to other discussions that it's the part of me that is well described by the highly sensitive person book that really influenced this decision
I've shared with a few of you that I think addresses this, in a way.??
I am really sorry that you felt like that. I have made various overweight friends and acquaintances over the years and my lack of sexual interest hasn't been evident, I haven't offended anyone. I can't imagine I would have made her feel bad or insecure about herself, unless you had already told her, 'Dan is a superficial dick'
My own wife's figure is not perfect and, weight will add and add and add and I am ready for this in every way.
On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:11 AM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: yes, as steinberger said, it was the reason. it's weird because i don't have personal self-consciousness stemming from the people around me, so like, if people think my partner is fat or whatever, i really couldn't care less. i suppose in the case of becca, i felt very protective of her, because i understand a lot of her neuroses. but like, at the end of the day, i have my prejudices, so it's not like i can come down on others because they happen to have different prejudices. but i do try to find opportunities, as here, for examining my own habits and prejudices as well as those i find in the people around me.?
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:32 AM Joe Steinberger < joe@...> wrote: Dan, I think it’s worth noting that Dave called this THE reason, one “one of the reasons”.?
That’s too bad, Dave. Once in a while it will occur to me to suggest no one mention something such as that, but then I realize that strategy will most likely backfire unfortunately.?
Also, right now I am strongly suppressing the desire to make a body joke. Not sure if I have succeeded.?
Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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