yes, as steinberger said, it was the reason. it's weird because i don't have personal self-consciousness stemming from the people around me, so like, if people think my partner is fat or whatever, i really couldn't care less. i suppose in the case of becca, i felt very protective of her, because i understand a lot of her neuroses. but like, at the end of the day, i have my prejudices, so it's not like i can come down on others because they happen to have different prejudices. but i do try to find opportunities, as here, for examining my own habits and prejudices as well as those i find in the people around me.?
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:32 AM Joe Steinberger < joe@...> wrote: Dan, I think it’s worth noting that Dave called this THE reason, one “one of the reasons”.?
That’s too bad, Dave. Once in a while it will occur to me to suggest no one mention something such as that, but then I realize that strategy will most likely backfire unfortunately.?
Also, right now I am strongly suppressing the desire to make a body joke. Not sure if I have succeeded.?
Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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?I would aslo say no.
If you were the leader of a sex cult, no coersion necessary, no lying, just you, Richard Chang, or you know, whoever you are, and you would allow your wife to have intercourse with one other person once per year (while no such rules would exist
for you), well, what do you think about that? Sandra said no.
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If you were the leader of a sex cult, no coersion necessary, no lying, just you, Richard Chang, or you know, whoever you are, and you would allow your wife to have intercourse with one other person once per year (while no such rules would exist for you), well, what do you think about that? Sandra said no.
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Dan, I think it’s worth noting that Dave called this THE reason, one “one of the reasons”.?
That’s too bad, Dave. Once in a while it will occur to me to suggest no one mention something such as that, but then I realize that strategy will most likely backfire unfortunately.?
Also, right now I am strongly suppressing the desire to make a body joke. Not sure if I have succeeded.?
Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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Interesting. I'm really sorry that was one of the reasons.?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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since matte introduced the whole question of moral peculiarities of this particular exchange, i am going to share something?with total honesty. but, i want to make clear that i am doing this only to provide an opportunity for us to examine some of the habitual ways we think and talk about the world. there are no bad feelings underpinning this and i harbor none for anyone?about anything. having said that, the reason that you never met becca, who was my partner for nearly five years, is because i know the ways in which you sometimes talk about women's bodies and i also know something of the lifetime of insecurities she's had around her own body and the devastating repercussions that can have.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:29 PM David E. Ford Jr. < ottoemezz@...> wrote: the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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the irony of someone?talking about a woman "owning" or having confidence in their weight/body image in the middle of this particular thread is perhaps the choicest bit for me
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:27 AM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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I'm rather much more woke than most of you guys and I think you're being a little offensive to slightly curve girls with really big tits?
i was always picky. and would probably be even pickier now. doesn't take a lot to turn me on, but it does take a specific type. and heavy weights need not apply.
On Apr 4, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Joe Steinberger < joe@...> wrote:
It was a fair question, Matte, but I knew all along dan was completely sincere. I too ?have found myself much more accepting of all shapes and sizes and relative ugliness.? If before I’d hook up with 20% of girls now it’s 80%. Sigh
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:42 PM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture ?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote: Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote: I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,?and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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i was always picky. and would probably be even pickier now. doesn't take a lot to turn me on, but it does take a specific type. and heavy weights need not apply.
On Apr 4, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Joe Steinberger <joe@...> wrote:
It was a fair question, Matte, but I knew all along dan was completely sincere. I too ?have found myself much more accepting of all shapes and sizes and relative ugliness.? If before I’d hook up with 20% of girls now it’s 80%. Sigh
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:42 PM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture ?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote: Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote: I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,?and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
|
It was a fair question, Matte, but I knew all along dan was completely sincere. I too ?have found myself much more accepting of all shapes and sizes and relative ugliness.? If before I’d hook up with 20% of girls now it’s 80%. Sigh
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:42 PM David Doga < oyeguey@...> wrote:
I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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I think some girls are cuter with a little weight and girls that own it? , have confidence that I find sexy too.
Just my thoughts.?
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I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how
will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture
?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
Dan Buck
We stream news for kids
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote:
Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive
formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of
our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote:
I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism.
But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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I mean, I consider you all my 'sounding board.' I can tell you: "I'm attracted to black people more than Asian people." I wouldn't tell this to other people.
One positive way to think of it...for many years...decades....like this was in "One Floor" I've obsessed over the pathway for young, pretty people to become fat and gross (to me personally). I think I can look at a pretty 20 year old and go...'Hmmh, how will she probably look when she is 40 or 50. Yeah, probably like that. Gross."
Now I'm bald and pretty gross. Even a little fat. And I'm ok with that. It's reality.
I'm now able to look at a woman like this, my boss, and go, "You know, I can picture ?(Jill Wiseman) thin and hot like 20 years ago." I told Sandra that almost verbatim because she is working at my school as well.?
My idea of the 'haunted house strip club,' as David Ford saw, isn't totally true. I don't really believe it would be viable. I find it funny. But at its heart I think I would pay money for that if society allowed me to.
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On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:06 PM Todd Rhoads < todd@...> wrote: Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote: I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism. But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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Are you just now starting to come to terms with and awakening to the often transgressive and parasocial musings of Dan buck? At least he's pretty honest about that kind of thing. I think you're also asking how self-aware he is in that more offensive formulations, I think, usually somewhat. Of course also somewhat sociopathic, but also somewhat self-aware. Irony? Probably less of that, than just some raw honesty; could definitely use a lot more of a desire and design to try to push back against some of our most base impulses and opinions. But then, that would be a lot less interesting, then, wouldn't it.?
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 9:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote: I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism. But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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Sincere. I'm learning to picture people when they're younger. Maybe one day I feel the same way about old ladies
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 11:56 AM Matte < matte@...> wrote: I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism. But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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I know that I’m at the periphery of this group. So I’m responding here fully aware that I'm at risk of antagonizing people, exposing that I am oblivious to the spirit of this group,? and?inviting ostracism. But should I read messages like these as an ironic satire of a particular type of middle-aged man? Or is this sincere?
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You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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You know, maybe if I was single, I'd be ok dating a 25 year old who is fat, but hot.
There's a woman at my school who is 28 and I really thought she was fat because she had a baby. Cute, hot, friendly, loving. Nope. No baby. Just fat. Not huge. But I'd be ok with that.
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Keep in mind Europe has a wide diversity of laws on most issues, amongst its various nation states....?
So this was new to me and I assume it's new to all of you.
I'm standing in line for three snowballs at a French festival at my kids public School.
It is taking about 45 minutes for three snowballs, STG.
Anyway, I met a surgeon today, a parent here, who is from France and he was hired at a hospital in Texas.?
And it's something I have never heard of but you can correct me if I'm wrong.
He is a fetus surgeon. From France.
There are only about 200 in the whole world.
It isn't yet a dedicated, official profession.
But it is highly lucrative. He told me that basically if a hospital is lucky enough to get a fetus that needs surgery then that person is indebted to the hospital for the rest of their lives. Cashorama.
To be honest that was less interesting to me than this...
He said that in Europe you can literally have an abortion up until the day before birth. Like you find out your child is retarded and one day before birth, let's end it.
So for that reason the idea of fetal surgery is very controversial in Europe. Why give birth to a child with permanent defects that can't fully be fixed with fetal surgery when you can abort.
Fascinating.
I was just told my snowball will be ready in 8 minutes
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So this was new to me and I assume it's new to all of you.
I'm standing in line for three snowballs at a French festival at my kids public School.
It is taking about 45 minutes for three snowballs, STG.
Anyway, I met a surgeon today, a parent here, who is from France and he was hired at a hospital in Texas.?
And it's something I have never heard of but you can correct me if I'm wrong.
He is a fetus surgeon. From France.
There are only about 200 in the whole world.
It isn't yet a dedicated, official profession.
But it is highly lucrative. He told me that basically if a hospital is lucky enough to get a fetus that needs surgery then that person is indebted to the hospital for the rest of their lives. Cashorama.
To be honest that was less interesting to me than this...
He said that in Europe you can literally have an abortion up until the day before birth. Like you find out your child is retarded and one day before birth, let's end it.
So for that reason the idea of fetal surgery is very controversial in Europe. Why give birth to a child with permanent defects that can't fully be fixed with fetal surgery when you can abort.
Fascinating.
I was just told my snowball will be ready in 8 minutes
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and yeah just to agree, as i remarked to Lara just, i completely agree that that Sensitive Person research theories does a much better job of elucidating the extrovert/introvert dynamic, as far as putting those personality traits into a much more clear contextually based framework. And as i alluded, really explained my various pseudo-phobias (heights, bugs, danger in general). On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 10:33 PM Todd Rhoads via groups.io <todd@...> wrote:
Dave glad to hear you're doing okay in Nepal. What happened with the
dog. Is the land you'd be looking at pretty reasonable in India as far
as U.S. dollar cost? And
what would be the prospects for a marriage match?
Have been listening to a good number of parenting books and one of the
ones i found interesting was "The Highly Sensitive Child" by the same
author. On the trait checklist for adults, i had most of the traits,
some in high preponderance, and the ones i didn't have, Lara has in
high preponderance, so as you can imagine so far our recently
3-year-old has pretty much all of those traits (like 15-20% of the
population, but he has almost all of them to a high degree). But i
also found the evolution-based theories and the resulting various
personality (and phobia) traits illuminating, and also made more sense
as a tighter-developed framework than a lot of social science stuff.
You're of course right that Dan's fantasy entertainment idea really
in-your-face flies in the face of current mores, but on the other
hand, there has been a recent move toward de-criminalization of sex
work in places like Uk, Germany, Aus/NZ, so with the paid-for-consent
buy-in, maybe could fly in some locale......
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 10:38 PM David E. Ford Jr. <ottoemezz@...> wrote:
i like that you shared a david brooks essay. i weirdly like david brooks a lot. generally speaking, insofar as i read opinion material i like to read people who have a different perspective from me but who aren't afraid to needle their own assumptions. so brooks as a basically conservative guy who has spent a lot of time thinking about how many of his earlier assumptions have been proven wrong, i like to read writers like this.
when i was in therapy last year, my therapist recommended i read the highly sensitive person by elain aron.
this book did a lot to help me understand why in some circumstances i feel like an extravert and in others i feel very much like an introvert. put simply, one of the implications of the personality type described in the book explains why i can maintain nothing like this 150 relationships that brooks cites. before i left the u.s. i would say that i had four intimates: the people i lived with, including becca, and my friend andy (whom some of you have met). outside of those i of course have some other acquaintances (mainly friends of those friends whom i might occasionally socialize with, or figures from the past like danny and a few others), but it is difficult for me to consider having more than perhaps 20-30 relationships. now it's a little irrelevant. i have been in kathmandu now for almost two months and i've made some actually very good friends here. but i will be returning to india for a new months at the end of april and then i will again be mostly by myself. it has unsurprisingly been the most difficult and most rewarding part of what i am doing. in any case, all of this is a long way of saying that my feelings about relationships and the fact of our aloneness has been an important thing that i've been working through out here. did i tell you i got bitten by a dog?
another funny thing i noticed is this bit where brooks describes one's 150 friends as "the people you feel comfortably altruistic toward." i don't think this is what altruism is, like, if you reserve it for your friends, is it truly altruistic? for me, altruism is something i feel toward people with whom i have no connection or with whom i feel a strongly negative connection (one might use the term "enemies" but, lol). and this is an actual practice, practicing feeling compassion and altruism toward people for whom i have a negative association. every time i read an opinion piece and violently disagree with what is being written, i invariably end up praying for the author.
i know that your idea for a new form of entertainment is not a serious one but i am actually astounded at how tone-deaf to current sexual politics this idea is. it's actually kind of amazing and admirable, stg.
apparently lots of nepalis in the u.s. head to texas. you can probably find halfway decent momos there
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 4:31 PM Dan Buck <vertpurple@...> wrote:
1. I saved my son's life last night. He was choking on asparagus and I gave him the Heimlich. It's the fourth emergency situation I've led in the past four years (others were at work)
2. This article is worth a read:
3. I have an idea for a new type of entertainment. It would be like a haunted house except the shocks are sudden glimpses of gorgeous, naked women. You walk through the house in the dark, scared and tittilated, and in the end you are rewarded with a fuck, but you can't control who you end up with. The frustration brings you back.
4. Sandra has just received a significant job offer in Houston, and has been admitted into a doctoral program here. So we are committed to Houston now until all of that is done. I am also planning on starting a doctoral program a year later.
5. Through Little News Ears I know a 14-year-old who was in Kiev when the bombing started. I found out that they escaped to Germany
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Dave glad to hear you're doing okay in Nepal. What happened with the
dog. Is the land you'd be looking at pretty reasonable in India as far
as U.S. dollar cost? And
what would be the prospects for a marriage match?
Have been listening to a good number of parenting books and one of the
ones i found interesting was "The Highly Sensitive Child" by the same
author. On the trait checklist for adults, i had most of the traits,
some in high preponderance, and the ones i didn't have, Lara has in
high preponderance, so as you can imagine so far our recently
3-year-old has pretty much all of those traits (like 15-20% of the
population, but he has almost all of them to a high degree). But i
also found the evolution-based theories and the resulting various
personality (and phobia) traits illuminating, and also made more sense
as a tighter-developed framework than a lot of social science stuff.
You're of course right that Dan's fantasy entertainment idea really
in-your-face flies in the face of current mores, but on the other
hand, there has been a recent move toward de-criminalization of sex
work in places like Uk, Germany, Aus/NZ, so with the paid-for-consent
buy-in, maybe could fly in some locale......
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 10:38 PM David E. Ford Jr. <ottoemezz@...> wrote:
i like that you shared a david brooks essay. i weirdly like david brooks a lot. generally speaking, insofar as i read opinion material i like to read people who have a different perspective from me but who aren't afraid to needle their own assumptions. so brooks as a basically conservative guy who has spent a lot of time thinking about how many of his earlier assumptions have been proven wrong, i like to read writers like this.
when i was in therapy last year, my therapist recommended i read the highly sensitive person by elain aron.
this book did a lot to help me understand why in some circumstances i feel like an extravert and in others i feel very much like an introvert. put simply, one of the implications of the personality type described in the book explains why i can maintain nothing like this 150 relationships that brooks cites. before i left the u.s. i would say that i had four intimates: the people i lived with, including becca, and my friend andy (whom some of you have met). outside of those i of course have some other acquaintances (mainly friends of those friends whom i might occasionally socialize with, or figures from the past like danny and a few others), but it is difficult for me to consider having more than perhaps 20-30 relationships. now it's a little irrelevant. i have been in kathmandu now for almost two months and i've made some actually very good friends here. but i will be returning to india for a new months at the end of april and then i will again be mostly by myself. it has unsurprisingly been the most difficult and most rewarding part of what i am doing. in any case, all of this is a long way of saying that my feelings about relationships and the fact of our aloneness has been an important thing that i've been working through out here. did i tell you i got bitten by a dog?
another funny thing i noticed is this bit where brooks describes one's 150 friends as "the people you feel comfortably altruistic toward." i don't think this is what altruism is, like, if you reserve it for your friends, is it truly altruistic? for me, altruism is something i feel toward people with whom i have no connection or with whom i feel a strongly negative connection (one might use the term "enemies" but, lol). and this is an actual practice, practicing feeling compassion and altruism toward people for whom i have a negative association. every time i read an opinion piece and violently disagree with what is being written, i invariably end up praying for the author.
i know that your idea for a new form of entertainment is not a serious one but i am actually astounded at how tone-deaf to current sexual politics this idea is. it's actually kind of amazing and admirable, stg.
apparently lots of nepalis in the u.s. head to texas. you can probably find halfway decent momos there
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 4:31 PM Dan Buck <vertpurple@...> wrote:
1. I saved my son's life last night. He was choking on asparagus and I gave him the Heimlich. It's the fourth emergency situation I've led in the past four years (others were at work)
2. This article is worth a read:
3. I have an idea for a new type of entertainment. It would be like a haunted house except the shocks are sudden glimpses of gorgeous, naked women. You walk through the house in the dark, scared and tittilated, and in the end you are rewarded with a fuck, but you can't control who you end up with. The frustration brings you back.
4. Sandra has just received a significant job offer in Houston, and has been admitted into a doctoral program here. So we are committed to Houston now until all of that is done. I am also planning on starting a doctoral program a year later.
5. Through Little News Ears I know a 14-year-old who was in Kiev when the bombing started. I found out that they escaped to Germany
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