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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@...
Sent: 01 December 2022 16:44
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] Its BBC Sounds or Nothing? In Touch November29

Hi Steve,
But you are excusing the BBC for excluding us, and many other groups.
This is not inclusion but exclusion.
Mary

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 01 December 2022 13:44
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] Its BBC Sounds or Nothing? In Touch November29

I'm not writing anyone off. I'm saying that anything that is made for us, could be adapted to use a single sign in method to access BBC Sounds, then you would have the simplicity of the device that you currently use.
The VR Stream could be made to do this I would imagine, since it already has Wi-Fi.

Certainly, most of the Daisy players that I know of now have Wi-Fi, and if you are accessing Internet radio, such as BBC Sounds, then you need Internet anyway. I am sure this could be made easier with a little imagination from the manufacturers of specialist devices, but I don't think it's up to the BBC to adapt, rather it's the manufacturers of our products that need to look at it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ltmmcarter@...
Sent: 01 December 2022 13:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] Its BBC Sounds or Nothing? In Touch November29

How much I disagree with you Steve.
The question is that for many of us we want to be included and regarded.
BBC Sounds, iPlayer and Britbox have bluntly appealed to those who have time and effort, or else it is part of there daily work, to adapt, if they can't then it is for them, people, like me toughen up or be quiet.
Years ago bars, clubs and dance halls barred blind people on the grounds that we were a fire hazard, in a fire the rest can get out, so we do not need to make the place safer.

I suspect that the BBC consult people like the "boys club" of the RNIB's tech talk podcasts, or whatever they are called.
If the sighted public had to go through the hoops we have to, the BBC would make adaptions.
Careful what you say Steve or the BBC and RNIB will start quoting you.
Most of the time I really like what you say, but this time I feel you are writing me off.
Best Mary.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 30 November 2022 12:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [dap-uk] Its BBC Sounds or Nothing? In Touch November29

To be honest, if Google and Amazon can make Actions or Skills, respectively, for BBC sounds, then I don't think specialist hardware players are needed.

Having said that, this won't only affect specialist players, since some regular hi-fi speakers also directly access BBC streams such as Bluesound. However, Sonos have got over it, again, by creating a link to BBC sounds. This is only a one time log in to the account, so it really wouldn't be that difficult.

Not quite a fuss about nothing, but not the end of the world either, in my view.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists
Sent: 30 November 2022 12:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [dap-uk] Its BBC Sounds or Nothing? In Touch November29

A modified post with additions posted earlier to Vi-gen Access group.

Subject sums up mytakeaway on last night's In touch and the demise of the Shoutcast radio feeds.


Should not have been surprised that tno one from BBC Sounds made themselves available for the programme.


This is probably in line with the true Riethian autocratic traditions of the BBC - or is it just the two fingered salute? In any case the Beeb in Rieth's day had some commitment to "public service" which sadly seem lacking in the BBC Sounds project.


So, here's a thought from me on how adaptive tech vendors might be helped to give us one button pre-set access to streamed radio. Given part of the licence fee is now going to pay for rollout of faster broadband,then should not an amount be made available to develop players and interfaces to meet the needs of so many blind people who are not stratospherically tech savvy? So, an on-screen set of buttons for statons similar to the Humanware interface? Hardware interfaces and players that allow easy access to pre-set stations and banks of presets as I use on my VR players?


Engineering this sort of thing is routine enough for software and hardware engineers and designers - if you pay them enough. So I propose a grant from the BBC and public broadcasting to finance the up-front investment needed to make this happen. Perhaps the folks at BBc Sounds wil communicate with the access tech industry too on this one, unlike their unwillingness to communicate with us - other than via press release type statements

I interviewed Humanware at a local meeting recently but the guys lips were sealed when it came to what might be in store for the latest version of their talking book and radio player, but we are promised something early next year.

To end with, I wonder how people here would feel about yet another keypad interface to work alongside iPhones and Android devices? This could be something like the Humanware interface, but linking to a phone or tablet. this might have potential as well for playing talking books either downloaded or online, and Wireless for Blind might also be persuaded to join in what with the demise of the Sonata player, but sometimes I think WFBFis in a ghetto like bunker not unlike BBC Sounds.

Ray.

Ray.