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I have spent several hours today tying to get drats installed on my windows 11 machine. I followed John's instructions as best I could. I installed lzhuf, msys2 and mingw64 I then went to install ;$ wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ham-radio-software/D-Rats/master/msys2_packages.sh and got this return...... --2023-03-26 21:33:24-- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ham-radio-software/D-Rats/master/msys2_packages.sh and got this return??? Loaded CA certificate '/usr/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt' Resolving raw.githubusercontent.com (raw.githubusercontent.com)... 2606:50c0:8001::154, 2606:50c0:8002::154, 2606:50c0:8003::154, ... Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (raw.githubusercontent.com)|2606:50c0:8001::154|:443... connected. ERROR: The certificate of ‘raw.githubusercontent.com’ is not trusted. ERROR: The certificate of ‘raw.githubusercontent.com’ doesn't have a known issuer. I found out that Python was not in the variables path and !!#!#$#$ and where is this GTK thing????? i next tied the wget https:// raw and again got some error back concerning raw What ever happen to the time when I could download the drats software and installed it without all the errors.. I am sorry but this install is a terrible I GIVE UP!!!! 73 to all good night

Hello All, There are two ways to run D-Rats 0.4.0 on Linux / Windows The "setup.py" install method has been deprecated by the python packaging maintainers. It is not going to work for modern python projects, and that includes D-Rats. The only reason there is a setup.py in the distribution is that the Python packaging maintainers have not documented a replacement for building the kit that contains data files in addition to python files. The Windows instructions are at https://github.com/ham-radio-software/D-Rats/wiki/010.010-Installation-of-D-Rats-on-Microsoft-Windows. For Linux, you do not install Msys2 Ming2, but you do need to install the python3 and GTK modules, etc for the Linux distros, the ones for Debian based distributions are listed in the README.md at https://github.com/ham-radio-software/D-Rats LZHUF must be installed from /g/d-rats/files/D-Rats or from the github.com/ham-radio-software/lzhuf. Option 1: Clone the D-Rats repository, and run from it. For this option, you need to run the ./build_pot.sh script to rebuild the message catalog. This currently will only help italian speaking users, since that is the only translation that we have. Option 2: Use pip to install the package from /g/d-rats/files/D-Rats Now in the past it has been common practice to have PIP install update the system python, and that has sometimes resulted in corrupting the python installed by the operating system. For a PIP install, you have to either create a virtual environment or you have to specify a "user" library and update the PYTTHONPATH and other environment variables to make it work. 73, -John

Hello all, I have set up a ratflectors list that in the future I plan to have D-Rats allow coping entries from it into the active configuration instead of having to transcribe entries into it. I am hoping that others will be able to help with keeping it up to date. https://github.com/ham-radio-software/ratflectors I chose the YAML format as it is both human readable, and it can easily interpreted by Python and other programs. To update it, you only need to join the ham-radio-software github project. Pull requests will be checked for by github for syntax errors. 73, -John wb8tyw

The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /D-Rats/D-Rats Releases/D_Rats-0.4.0-py3-none-any.whl /D-Rats/D-Rats Releases/D-Rats-0.4.0.tar.gz By: John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@...>

I’m with a local EMCOMM group, which uses DRATS as an integral part of our data network. Yesterday, one of our members purchased a new computer with Win 11. The install appeared to go OK, but upon starting DRATS, we received an error message listing several problems and we were not able to ignore them and get to the setup menu or run the application. Anyone found a way to make DRATS work on Win 11? Thanks, Carlos Cardon, W7QL

Here is the debug log from my attempt to install drats. i have downloaded simplejson, yet I don't know what to do with it. the drats config file does not exist in the path the d-rats shared folder path is: C:\Users\russh\OneDrive\Desktop. This folder i created on my desktop. Enabled debug log simplejson was not found. Geocoders relying on JSON parsing will not work. FILE: C:\Users\russh\AppData\Roaming\D-RATS\d-rats.config Creating downlaod directory: C:\Users\russh\Desktop\D-RATS Shared ---- GUI Exception ---- Traceback (most recent call last): File "d-rats", line 118, in <module> File "d_rats\mainapp.pyo", line 946, in __init__ File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1742, in __init__ WindowsError: [Error 3] The system cannot find the path specified: 'C:\\Users\\russh\\Desktop\\D-RATS Shared' ---- End ----

Brad, Reach out to Terry, N8LN. His email is good on QRZ. He is an admin for the US Trust and should be able to help. Jack - KD4IZ

Hello all, I have updated https://github.com/ham-radio-software/D-Rats/wiki/010.010-Installation-of-D-Rats-on-Microsoft-Windows to provide an option that does not require setting up a Python Virtual Environment. This option also allows you to set up a shortcut to launch D-Rats. It also turns out that while D-Rats running on a Linux under the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), it is reported to not have access to the USB serial ports, it will only operate with network devices. There is an experimental add on to the WSL-2 that allows it to access serial ports. I have not tried any of this, and do not plan to. If someone wants to experiment with that and provide a wiki article of the results good or bad, it would be appreciated. Another option to MSYS2 is Cygwin. It should be able to provide the same environment as MSYS2. Again, if someone wants to experiment with that and give instructions, it would be appreciated. 73, -John wb8tyw

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but here in NWNM D-rats does not work reliably any longer via RF. We have multiple stations that get intermittent reception/decode. We have multiple stations that only decode one or two stations out of the group reliably. We have tried going back to 0.3.3, then 2014, then 0.3.9 and coming forward as a group. No Joy. Stations have tried a mix of different computers, different radios, different antennas. No Joy There is a mix of Win 7 and Win10 computers, that does not seem to have any effect at all. Transmission/reception range is about a 20 mile radius max from the KF5VBE repeater. Linked operation between the KF5VBE repeater and the KF5VBF repeater to reduce that radius does not help. Stations show up on the station list, but are not heard. Simplex operation has no better success. distance between some stations on simplex may be as little as a mile. All stations are using an RTS05 orange RT Systems USB cable. Radios used are ID51, ID5100, ID880, IC2820 with DSTAR add on. To paraphrase Shakespeare, "Alas poor D-rats, we knew it well!" -- AL M KF5SMH HH5580

I am testing out D-RATS for my local club from an EmComm perspective, because we bought into D-STAR a while back and have a large number of ID-880H and IC-80AD radios and I want t put them to use. I have three radios all at my home location, the ID-880H is using an externally mounted antenna, one of the handhelds is using a mobile antenna installed in an upstairs room and the second handheld is using a very basic outdoor antenna inside my basement. We have one local D-STAR repeater which unfortunately has no gateway, but that's a separate issue for a different forum. All radios are tuned to this one single repeater. I am using "d-rats 0.3.10 beta 5 connect" all on Windows 10 with full updates applied. All radios use a USB to RS-232 and then RS-232 to the 2.5mm TRS connector on the radio. What I find is that when I run "Ping all Stations", sometimes I get two responses from the other two radios and sometimes I only get one response and yet I know the other radio sent a reply. Each radio should see a response from each of the other two radios. I have checked the settings in the radios so that they are all programmed the same except for callsign. I have checked the D-RATS config to ensure they are all set the same except for callsign, Name and ping reply. I had this problem before and it seemed to get fixed by moving the USB to a different physical port on the computer and picking up a new serial port number, but that only seemed to last a few days. I saw the details in a previous message about performance through a repeater and the warmup times settings and played with those, but no change. If I take one of the radios out of the equation, and do a ping all stations, I do seem to get a response back from the missing radio, but it is marked in black and not blue, which I assume means it was heard but not acknowledged in some way. Can anyone suggest what else I should be looking into? 73 Mike VA3MCT EC York Region ARES

Hello All, I have discovered that the opensource project FreeCad is a python based application and on Microsoft Windows it is using msys2 mingw just like D-Rats needs to do on. The FreeCad github source has instructions on how to build FreeCad into an installable EXE file. As FreeCad is a more complex software package than D-Rats, it should be possible to adapt there instructions for use in creating a D-Rats EXE. I do not know when I will be able to get started on that, but if someone else wants to implement that, that would be great. I tried a quick test with pyinstaller. The resulting binary program refused to run with a python error before it even got to the D-Rats code. Note that the Msys2 Mingw is a one time install, and once it is installed and setup, it is easy to run and update d-rats. It also allows easy testing of pre-release patches to d-rats for debugging issues, and an EXE based installer will not provide that. 73, -John wb8tyw

On 2/19/2023 10:31 AM, Scott Allison (KR3L) wrote: > Don, > > I had a similar issue with the python not running. I found it was not > installed on my computer. These are the steps I took to install. > > For Windows 10 you need to first verify if you have Python installed on > your system. > > Step 1: Open your command prompt > > Step 2: Type the following command [cd /windows/system32] > > Step 3: Check the version of python by typing the following command. > [python --version] > > If installed you will receive the following message: > > *Python 3.10.8* > > If not installed you will receive this message: > > *Python was not found; run without arguments to install from the Microsoft > Store, or disable this shortcut from Settings > Manage App Execution > Aliases.* > > To install type [python] at the command prompt. It will open a window to > Microsoft Apps Store. Click the install button for Python to be installed. > > DRATS requires Beautiful Spon 4 to be running. Next you will need to > install with the following commands. > > Step 4: Install the beautifulsoup using pip > > After checking the version of python now you can install beautifusoup for > different python versions. > > > - For python 3.xx use [pip3 install beautifulsoup4] > - For python 2.xx use [pip install beautifulsoup4] Just wanted to confirm, you installed Python from the Microsoft Store on Windows 10, and you were able to get D-Rats 0.3.10b6.dev287 to install and run? Did you use a pip install to install D-Rats 0.3.10b6.dev287? It should have used pip to install all of the dependencies. I have also just confirmed that beautifulsoup is not installed on either my Windows 7 system or my Anti-X Linux system. D-Rats 0.3.10b6.dev287 does not depend on it. When I tried that on Windows 7, the pip modules for GTK+ would not install. Looked up that multiple people on multiple version of Windows, including Windows 10 were complaining about the same problem. Only working solution posted was to use Msys2 mingw64 instead. A note about the versioning for python3 D-Rats: The 0.3.10b6 is the last commit for python2 based D-Rats. It is very unlikely that there will be any more commits to the python2 branch of D-Rats. There have been 287 commits made to D-Rats since that time to make it run on Python3, and this includes fixes for many bugs that were found in the older python 2 version. Once we can get some feedback that D-Rats 0.3.10b6.dev287 is a working version, we can set a release of 0.4.0 for the first actual Python 3 D-Rats release. But since I have seen almost no feedback about D-Rats 0.1.10b6.dev287, except that the install Microsoft Windows is too Convoluted, there does not seem to be any point in making a 0.4.0 release or even working on fixing the known bugs that in D-Rats. 73, -John wb8tyw

My Toshiba Laptop bit the dust back in October. My mother is wanting to give me her IMac Air, which runs Catalina 10.5. Is there a version of D-Rats for it?

Hello all, D-Rats progress is current waiting for feedback on the new pre-release packaging system. Without the new version being used, there is no point it me making any updates to it. The only feed back that I have is that for Microsoft Windows is that it is too hard for people to learn with out specifics of what is too hard. And I have explained why making the Microsoft Windows install simpler is both currently not practical for me to do, and even if it is done it will take a lot of work to keep it up to date with security patches of the third-party libraries D-Rats depends on. So I am going to be looking at some related projects: Attempting to create serial and USB cables to for my IC-91AD that properly support the DSR signal. Attempting to connect and hopefully vampire power a serial to bluetooth module to the IC-91AD, which may allow it to connect to one of the Icom Android applications. Connecting a MMDVM module to the IC-207H to see if I can connect that to d-rats and get useful data. The challenge there is that I have found no documentation for the module, just told to plug it into a Raspberry Pi and run one of the existing programs. The MMDVM module is a GSM/Multimode? modem that communicates with a Raspberry Pi via a serial UART and some status data lines. With a logic level to RS-232 level adapter or USB serial module, it should be able to be used with any computer. If this works, then this module is would be all that is needed for non-D-Star radios to use D-Rats to existing D-Rats Radios. The IC-207 I got used came with a 6-pin mini-din connector to 9 pin D connector. No markings on the connector and no documentation for it. 73, -John wb8tyw

Our weekly group uses a nice Icom repeater stack for D-Rats practice weekly. We have found chat is fine, but file transfers are slower and less reliable over the repeater than simplex. We suspect a timing issue with the repeater with ACK/NAK D-Rats stuff. Anybody have suggested settings for D-Rats to account for the slight repeater timing delay?