Re: Question Potential Symbol Rate Restrictions Removal and D - Rats
I don't see this change doing anything for DStar or D-Rats. If you use a newer radio and "fast data" you're about as fast as the data stream in DStar will support. It's basically serial packet data, as I understand it. It's just not AX25, it's digital. Could there be something faster using that digital signal? I have no idea, really.?
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Question Potential Symbol Rate Restrictions Removal and D - Rats
Hi:
Regarding Nov FCC meeting that might be a big step to remove Symbol Rate Restriction on Amateur Bands.? ?
If removal applies to VHF and UHF bands, How that could potentially benefit D - Rats users?? VHF / UHF radios will require a firmware update to be able to function or take advantage of the change?? or new radios manufacturing will be required?? ?I am very positive as ARRL was a petitioner of that change and FCC talks about innovation, experimentation, digital modes and EMCOMM.? Those are my favorite Ham Radio words.??
Thanks in Advance!!
Edfel
KP4AJ
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Sorry did not think of this. Open up your RSMS1A on phone, look at application settings and scroll down to baud rate for USB. Make sure it matches the radio. Also do this same thing on your computer.?
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John,?
Can you email Ray Novak at Icom? He appears to have access to the developers of the phone apps. Ray is super supportive. RayNovak@...?. He was going to get a ticket to see about getting the phone app to parse raw text from D-Rats so it would be, kind of, readable. We can see raw text from the phone app in D-Rats right now (turn on sniffer and raw text in chat). Having it fully functional would be great.?
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Re: Creating a 0.4.0 version?
There is also an RS-MS1i for iOS. But it only works on the latest few Icom radios and not sure about the upcoming new Kenwood. IC705, 9700, ID52 and 4100 can all work with the Apple app. I'm guessing probably also the TH75 as Kenwood seems to have made that on par with the latest Icom stuff.?
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John,? Can you email Ray Novak at Icom? He appears to have access to the developers of the phone apps. Ray is super supportive. RayNovak@...?. He was going to get a ticket to see about getting the phone app to parse raw text from D-Rats so it would be, kind of, readable. We can see raw text from the phone app in D-Rats right now (turn on sniffer and raw text in chat). Having it fully functional would be great.?
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Hey Scott, Make sure your radio BT has the Bluetooth data set BACK to "CI V". D-Rats you set to "DV Data", all else is "CI-V".?
Then, use the RS MS1A to connect. Not the radio. It will connect right up.?
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Just got a U-Blox7 GPS USB device.
Finding the official signed driver for Microsoft Windows was an adventure as all existing links to the official drivers were dead.
For others reference until someone can put it in the D-Rats wiki:
Download u-center, and run the install script.
For d-rats to use the device, you only need to install the driver, not the entire u-center package. It will show up as a usb serial device.
Note: I have not had time to test this device with D-Rats yet.
For Linux the device shows up as /dev/ttyACM0.
Linux may have a service running that may allocate the device.
73,
-John
WB8TYW
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On 9/23/2023 5:20 PM, Scott Redfield wrote: I can never connect my id52a to RS-MS1A on Bluetooth. Very discouraging. There are some incompatibilities in the BlueTooth protocols, particularly some devices only support LE (Low Energy) and some devices have no support for that. There are some android applications for monitoring wifi and bluetooth signals and reporting what the Android can handle. Using one of those may help figure things out. I have a OTC connectors for my tablets, and I can connect to the RS-MS1A through a USB serial port connected to that. A tablet may not provide enough power to directly run the USB Serial port, so a powered hub may be needed. Since USB-C no longer needs powered hubs, powered USB hubs are getting more expensive or hard to find. Remember that when you are at the flea-market and see one for sale. I want to get the bluetooth working though because I can not charge my tablet while the OTC adapter is installed. Sitting in my parts bin waiting for me to get time to work on it are several TTL to bluetooth modules for Arduinos and several bluetooth USB adapters. And everything needed to connect my older I-Comm radio serial port to connect to one of the bluetooth modules. Unfortunately it will need 4.5 volts of battery power to run it, and I don't know the current drain yet. 73, -John
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I can never connect my id52a to RS-MS1A on Bluetooth. Very discouraging. Scott W3SGT
On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, 6:02 PM John E. Malmberg < wb8tyw@...> wrote: The ticket for RS-MS1A protocol integration is:
For RS-MS1A and D-Rats integration is that D-Rats needs to know the
protocols used for RS-MS1A, and if there is a way to recognize the
RS-MS1A frame.
Currently the D-Rats protocols have not been completely mapped out, and
we do not know anything yet about the RS-MS1A.? I do not know if the
D-Rats text and file transfer modes can be changes so that they can work
with RS-MS1A frames.
The serial port on Icom D-Star radios is also use for remote control and
programming of the radios via programs like Icom provides or the open
source .? Newer Icom radios provide a
bluetooth serial port.
What ever is used for RS-MS1A has to block the binary codes that put the
radio in remote control mode from being sent.
D-rats uses y-encoded transmissions to avoid those codes, and then uses
a frame structure with binary codes in it.
Getting D-Rats to receive text and pictures from RS-MS1A should not be
too hard if we get the RS-MS1A protocols worked out.
Items needed to be known about RS-MS1A:
? ?1. Does it use any frame format, such as headers or checksums.
? ?2. How does it determine a picture sending from a text sending.
? ?3. How does it do the encoding to avoid sending radio control
? ? ? commands to the radio.
Getting D-Rats to be able to send text and pictures to RS-MS1A based on
what I have read on this mailing list would require changing the D-Rats
protocols that are sent, and those newer packets would only be readable
on that newer version of D-Rats.
There are several enhancement code cleanup tickets that are ahead of any
work by me on RS-MS1A.
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The ticket for RS-MS1A protocol integration is:
For RS-MS1A and D-Rats integration is that D-Rats needs to know the protocols used for RS-MS1A, and if there is a way to recognize the RS-MS1A frame.
Currently the D-Rats protocols have not been completely mapped out, and we do not know anything yet about the RS-MS1A. I do not know if the D-Rats text and file transfer modes can be changes so that they can work with RS-MS1A frames.
The serial port on Icom D-Star radios is also use for remote control and programming of the radios via programs like Icom provides or the open source . Newer Icom radios provide a bluetooth serial port.
What ever is used for RS-MS1A has to block the binary codes that put the radio in remote control mode from being sent.
D-rats uses y-encoded transmissions to avoid those codes, and then uses a frame structure with binary codes in it.
Getting D-Rats to receive text and pictures from RS-MS1A should not be too hard if we get the RS-MS1A protocols worked out.
Items needed to be known about RS-MS1A:
1. Does it use any frame format, such as headers or checksums.
2. How does it determine a picture sending from a text sending.
3. How does it do the encoding to avoid sending radio control
commands to the radio.
Getting D-Rats to be able to send text and pictures to RS-MS1A based on what I have read on this mailing list would require changing the D-Rats protocols that are sent, and those newer packets would only be readable on that newer version of D-Rats.
There are several enhancement code cleanup tickets that are ahead of any work by me on RS-MS1A.
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E-mail threading and Archives (Was: [d-rats] Creating a 0.4.0 version?)
A point of information for E-mail threads.
There is a long standing convention that if you are changing the topic
of an e-mail thread, then the person changing the topic should change the subject with the old topic in parenthesis as above.
When replying to such a thread, the people replying are supposed to remove the text in the parenthesis including the parenthesis.
Most e-mail clients and e-mail archives like the one groups.io uses understand this and when set in threaded mode this allows the reader to follow threads properly.
Threads are generally not grouped by the subject text. Threads are grouped by a unique message ID that was generated by the first message in the thread. So even changing the title may not change the thread, and may cause your messages to be harder to find.
Which means if you are starting a new topic, you should start a new message, instead of replying to an existing message.
This will keep the users who have messages sorted by threads and any public e-mail archive properly organized and easy to look up messages in.
73,
-John
wb8tyw
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Re: Creating a 0.4.0 version?
Maurizio, ? Total *Brainfog* on my part. I was thinking RS-BA1! I don¡¯t use Android, but assume that the RS-MS1I will behave similarly. ? 73, Jack ¨C KD4IZ ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Maurizio Andreotti Sent: Friday, September 22, 2023 03:23 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [d-rats] Creating a 0.4.0 version? ? I use both D-Rats and RS-MS1A (with ID5100 and ID51 not plus). I always thought that the missing chat between the two was a gap.? > tied to one expensive purchase of proprietary software. is RS-MS1A now priced? or are you referring to something else? ? Il giorno ven 22 set 2023 alle ore 03:53 Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ) <kd4iz@...> ha scritto: On the down side (and n defense of John¡¯s valuable time). you are asking for development of a feature set that requires a bunch of effort and is tied to one expensive purchase of proprietary software. I am not concerned with RS-MS1A being fit or not. Those who use it like it.
My concern is that D-Rats has become a non-platform-specific program used for EMCOM and net support by folks who do not use ICOM radios as well as those who do. It is open source on an open source friendly platform. ICOM friendly is just one of its attributes (unlike wfview for example which is a different approach to the same services offered by th ICOM proprietary software).
I would think that John might want to learn just how many folk actually are using both D-rats and RS-MS1A before he spends any time working it into the rewrite and repair of the original software as he inherited it.
Jack - KD4IZ
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Re: Creating a 0.4.0 version?
Hi: Nice progress with D-Rats. Congratulations John, Maurizio and the other?developers. Regarding the next areas of improvement?/ development, here is my point of view.? Uniformity has its advantages but supporting RS-MS1A and the technology behind?it is a PLUS D-Rats could take advantage?of.? D-Rats have open the users base with the TNC support, but IF it could provide an additional service to D-Star radios owners, I don't see why not to take advantage of it.??
There are plenty of D-Star radios out there, most are ICOM. Also many of us already have the cable which is the thing that is 'pricey'.? Maybe create a priority list with features base on some criteria like:? ? 1)? General benefit across platforms?/ radios 2)? Complexity and estimate time to achieve 3) Increase of functionality (Android support?IMO fits here) 4) Security related,? 5) Ease of usage. Those numbers do not suggest order priority.? Also remember there are some Kenwood higher end handy that support D-Star.?
Besides that, I would put priority on the control? D-Rats users should have to avoid?other users?connected to transfer files?to you.? In the group?someone provided an example of how that issue backfired on a video-conference (or kind of presentation) and the host was concerned by that 'exploit' risk.? ?
Finally, IMO version numbering should be > 0.4.0 as there was a 0.4.1.? With the latest fixes I venture to suggest 0.4.5 or higher.? ?
Thanks John!! and all developers!
73'
Edfel KP4AJ
I use both D-Rats and RS-MS1A (with ID5100 and ID51 not plus). I always thought that the missing chat between the two was a gap.?
> tied to one expensive purchase of proprietary software. is RS-MS1A now priced? or are you referring to something else?
maurizio - IZ2LXI Il giorno ven 22 set 2023 alle ore 03:53 Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ) < kd4iz@...> ha scritto: On the down side (and n defense of John¡¯s valuable time). you are asking for development of a feature set that requires a bunch of effort and is tied to one expensive purchase of proprietary software. I am not concerned with RS-MS1A being fit or not. Those who use it like it.
My concern is that D-Rats has become a non-platform-specific program used for EMCOM and net support by folks who do not use ICOM radios as well as those who do. It is open source on an open source friendly platform. ICOM friendly is just one of its attributes (unlike wfview for example which is a different approach to the same services offered by th ICOM proprietary software).
I would think that John might want to learn just how many folk actually are using both D-rats and RS-MS1A before he spends any time working it into the rewrite and repair of the original software as he inherited it.
Jack - KD4IZ
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Re: Creating a 0.4.0 version?
I use both D-Rats and RS-MS1A (with ID5100 and ID51 not plus). I always thought that the missing chat between the two was a gap.?
> tied to one expensive purchase of proprietary software. is RS-MS1A now priced? or are you referring to something else?
maurizio - IZ2LXI
Il giorno ven 22 set 2023 alle ore 03:53 Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ) < kd4iz@...> ha scritto: On the down side (and n defense of John¡¯s valuable time). you are asking for development of a feature set that requires a bunch of effort and is tied to one expensive purchase of proprietary software. I am not concerned with RS-MS1A being fit or not. Those who use it like it.
My concern is that D-Rats has become a non-platform-specific program used for EMCOM and net support by folks who do not use ICOM radios as well as those who do. It is open source on an open source friendly platform. ICOM friendly is just one of its attributes (unlike wfview for example which is a different approach to the same services offered by th ICOM proprietary software).
I would think that John might want to learn just how many folk actually are using both D-rats and RS-MS1A before he spends any time working it into the rewrite and repair of the original software as he inherited it.
Jack - KD4IZ
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Re: Creating a 0.4.0 version?
On the down side (and n defense of John¡¯s valuable time). you are asking for development of a feature set that requires a bunch of effort and is tied to one expensive purchase of proprietary software. I am not concerned with RS-MS1A being fit or not. Those who use it like it.
My concern is that D-Rats has become a non-platform-specific program used for EMCOM and net support by folks who do not use ICOM radios as well as those who do. It is open source on an open source friendly platform. ICOM friendly is just one of its attributes (unlike wfview for example which is a different approach to the same services offered by th ICOM proprietary software).
I would think that John might want to learn just how many folk actually are using both D-rats and RS-MS1A before he spends any time working it into the rewrite and repair of the original software as he inherited it.
Jack - KD4IZ
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Re: Creating a 0.4.0 version?
I would certainly agree that RS-MS1A compatibility would be a huge feature.? It would significantly expand the usefulness of D-Rats for field ops/mobile.
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Re: D-Rats for Windows 10 Download.
The HAMPi is for use with Raspberry Pis. You would type in the original first search box d-rats Windows 10. I am on my way to dentist and shopping. When I get back I will see if I can find it. I have windows on the main computer and the other version on my pi with the HAMPi suite. Virginia
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 10:38 PM KC9SIO < kc9sio@...> wrote: Would that be HamPi Ms. Virginia?
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Re: KB8PMY/N8MFN Back online!
Congratulations Ryan on your retirement.
Best of luck.
Michael KM4EZP
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 09:49:40 AM EDT, Ryan Collier <kb8pmy@...> wrote:
You have to use the d-rats program. If you want a website it is under n8mfn.club. that only shows the xlxd reflector for the repeater.
Good morning attached is what i see when i go to your website
73 , Josh K0JEB
On 9/20/2023 8:01 AM, Ryan Collier
wrote:
Good morning all,
I just wanted to reach out and let everyone know that my
ratflector is back online.
It still has direct access to my BBS DXCLUSTER and node
access. I retired from my job at U-Haul after 15 years. I have
more time to work on these projects now.
You can kindly find my ratflector at either
or n8mfn.club port 9000 gps port 9500.
To access the NODE/BBS/DXCLUSTER
Once logged in to the reflector. Click on your private chat
button at the top. Name it NODE. Can not be named anything
else or it will not work. at the bottom you then should see "
@NODE " tab. Tap on that and you have full bbs access.
Any questions please let me know!
N8MFN Hamilton Wireless Radio Club
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Re: KB8PMY/N8MFN Back online!
You have to use the d-rats program. If you want a website it is under n8mfn.club. that only shows the xlxd reflector for the repeater.
Good morning attached is what i see when i go to your website
73 , Josh K0JEB
On 9/20/2023 8:01 AM, Ryan Collier
wrote:
Good morning all,
I just wanted to reach out and let everyone know that my
ratflector is back online.
It still has direct access to my BBS DXCLUSTER and node
access. I retired from my job at U-Haul after 15 years. I have
more time to work on these projects now.
You can kindly find my ratflector at either
or n8mfn.club port 9000 gps port 9500.
To access the NODE/BBS/DXCLUSTER
Once logged in to the reflector. Click on your private chat
button at the top. Name it NODE. Can not be named anything
else or it will not work. at the bottom you then should see "
@NODE " tab. Tap on that and you have full bbs access.
Any questions please let me know!
N8MFN Hamilton Wireless Radio Club
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Edfel Rivera
Scott Redfield
Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
KC5SAM Virginia