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AGW Express, UZ7HO, RMS Express and D-RATS Playing Nicely Together
I discovered something kind of neat tonight. I've been playing around with
AGW Express - a tool that's purpose is to set up and configure RMS Express, a virtual serial port and AGWPE (or, with the new version UZ7HO's soundmodem app) for Winlink over packet. I really like the new version of AGW Express and its ability to configure UZ7HO's sound modem. While I was playing with AGW Express tonight I had the idea of bringing up D-RATS to try to send D-RATS over packet using UZ7HO Soundmodem. I have successfully used Soundmodem with D-RATS, but not at the same time that I was using Soundmodem for RMS Express. So, I created a new radio port in D-RATS. It is a network port with 127.0.0.1 as the and port 8760 (The port UZ7HO is listening on). D-RATS connected right up, and I can switch back and forth between RMS Express and D-RATS using the same instance of UZ7HO, the same Signalink, and the same radio! I then took things a little further. I have a second PC with D-RATS installed. On that one I created a radio port with the first computer's IP address as the address and 8760 as the port. When I send a message from D-RATS on the second PC it hits UZ7HO on the first PC and out it goes over packet. So, PC #1 is handling it's D-RATS session, it's RMS Express session, and PC #2's D-RATS session. Of course, things would get really confusing if two applications tried to transmit at the same time. And, there is more testing/exploring to be done here. But, this seems kind of interesting... |
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Re: D-Rats, Packet, and UZ7HO
开云体育That might work, Patrick, as long as you are connecting it to the D-RATS client and not the ratflector.?? I've not gotten either a TNC or AGWPE interface working on the repeater app.??? I'm interested in the concept I saw the other day on this list about using Paclink as a gateway between D-RATS and Winlink.??
? By the way, the setup for Soundmodem for D-RATS is the same as the way you set up for AGWPE.? Tell D-RATS you are setting up AGWPE.? Let me know if you have trouble with it, and I will be glad to help. ? Another thing on my list is to try RMS Express with Soundmodem.? I've played with it a little, but didn't make it work.?? ?There is supposed to be a new release of the AGWExpress app out (great tool that takes care of configuring the pieces required to hook RMSExpress to AGWPE) this month, and it is supposed to work with Soundmodem.? I'm looking forward to giving it a try.? But, I digress... ? Good luck with Soundmodem on D-RATS. Let me know if I can help. ? Dan W4DTO ? From: d-rats_group@... [mailto:d-rats_group@...] On Behalf Of n3tsz
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 3:19 PM To: d-rats_group@... Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: D-Rats, Packet, and UZ7HO ? ? Dan, Thanks for your efforts in this area. I have downloaded and installed the SoundModem application and am experimenting with it here. I am curious to know if D-RATS will connect to a Winlink RMS using SoundModem as the TNC. I do not have one near me to try it out. Thanks again, Patrick (N3TSZ)
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Re: D-Rats, Packet, and UZ7HO
Dan,
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Thanks for your efforts in this area. I have downloaded and installed the SoundModem application and am experimenting with it here. I am curious to know if D-RATS will connect to a Winlink RMS using SoundModem as the TNC. I do not have one near me to try it out. Thanks again, Patrick (N3TSZ) --- In d-rats_group@..., wrote:
> > Just an update on this... We have a working configuration of a D-RATS ratflector with packet, DSTAR and internet connection capability. I have posted a PDF showing the configuration in the files section. The file name is D-Rats2_Packet_DSTAR_Internet.pdf. > > While we have been able to connect packet users into this configuration they are limited in that they can only talk to the D-RATS client app to which they are connected. Packet traffic doesn't go out over the ratflector and traffic from the ratflector doesn't get sent to packet. This limitation exists because the ratflector app gives an error when we try to create a packet connection directly to it. > > Following are notes from the PDF. > > Notes: > 1. The D-Rats Client App (PLD-ARES) can talk to users connected by packet,DSTAR, or internet. > 2. Users connected by DSTAR and internet can talk to each other. > 3. Users connected by packet cannot hear or talk to DSTAR or internet connected users. > 4. Users connected by packet can communicate with other packet users who are within RF range. > 5. The original configuration used AGWPE instead of UZ7HO Soundmodem, but UZ7HO works just as > well and seems to be more stable. > > Dan > W4DTO > |
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Re: D-Rats, Packet, and UZ7HO
Just an update on this... ?We have a working configuration of a D-RATS ratflector with packet, DSTAR and internet connection capability. ? I have posted a PDF showing the configuration in the files section. The file name is?D-Rats2_Packet_DSTAR_Internet.pdf. ?
While we have been able to connect packet users into this configuration they are limited in that they can only talk to the D-RATS client app to which they are connected. ? Packet traffic doesn't go out over the ratflector and traffic from the ratflector doesn't get sent to packet. ? This limitation exists because the ratflector app gives an error when we try to create a packet connection directly to it. Following are notes from the PDF. Notes: 1. The D-Rats Client App (PLD-ARES) can?talk to users connected by packet,DSTAR, or internet. 2. Users connected by DSTAR and?internet can talk to each other. 3. Users connected by packet cannot?hear or talk to DSTAR or internet?connected users. 4. Users connected by packet can?communicate with other packet users?who are within RF range. 5. The original configuration used?AGWPE instead of UZ7HO?Soundmodem, but UZ7HO works just as well and seems to be more stable. Dan W4DTO |
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开云体育I agree, Leon.?? I emailed Dan about it some time last year.?? His response: ? "Yeah, the AGWPE bit is not supported in the ratflector app at the moment. Not sure it ever will be as I don't think many people actually use it for anything." ? Wish I could change his mind.? I think D-RATS is by far the best designed UI of any of the ham radio apps I have used.??? It would be very easy to sit it down in front of someone who has no experience with the tools (someone involved in an emcomm situation) and quickly train them to communicate with it. ? Other tools are good, too, such as FLDIGI,? RMSExpress, Airmail.?? But, I believe they would require more training of the end user.? ? If AGWPE could be made to work on a ratflector it would provide a very well designed tool to a new group of users.? And, it would sucessfully bridge a gap between DSTAR and non-DSTAR. ? Dan W4DTO ? ? From: d-rats_group@... [mailto:d-rats_group@...] On Behalf Of control@...
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:31 PM To: d-rats_group@... Subject: RE: [d-rats_group] RE: D-Rats, Packet, and UZ7HO ? ? It would be nice if Dan can find some time to look at this issue .. I did encounter the same problem with the repeater function ... |
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Re: D-Rats, Packet, and UZ7HO
开云体育The DStar/Packet node idea is what I would really like to see, but I don't think it's possible.? I believe there is a bug in the repeater app that causes it to not work with TNCs or AGWPE.???? I played around with that for months and found errors in the repeater log.?? Reported them and asked Dan to help, but haven't gotten anywhere with it.?? ? It is possible to hook a TNC or AGWPE to the D-Rats client app (what I'm doing now), but the repeater app fails when you try to set either up there.??? And, without the repeater app the communications will always be one to one.? No way to send from RF/packet to DRats to RF/Dstar without the repeater app. ? If I was a software developer I would try to figure this out.??? I've looked at the code to try to find it, but I'm not smart enough.? ? From: d-rats_group@... [mailto:d-rats_group@...] On Behalf Of control@...
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 3:06 PM To: d-rats_group@... Subject: [d-rats_group] RE: D-Rats, Packet, and UZ7HO ? ? YES PSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please continue updating us and document your trials . |
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Re: D-Rats, Packet, and UZ7HO
Please keep up updated. I would like to try a soundcard based TNC also.
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Thanks, Patrick (N3TSZ) --- In d-rats_group@..., wrote:
> > I've been playing around this weekend with D-Rats over packet, and have a fairly stable test bed running with three PCs. The goal was to connect non-DSTAR users using D-RATS without a lot of expense (ie, TNCs). > > Until this weekend all of my attempts at this have used the free AGWPE on Win 7 and XP and Signalinks. I understand that it can be done, but I have never been able to make it work consistently. > > Yesterday I had the idea of trying UZ7HO's soundmodem app in place of AGWPE. Wow, what a difference! Setup was very fast. I think the only thing I had to do to soundmodem was set the baud rate and select the right sound card source. > > > > D-Rats is set up as if it is connecting to AGWPE. Works great! > > Now, I wish even more than every that someone could take a look at the D-RATS repeater app to try to fix the problem that keeps it from working with TNCs and AGWPE. That, IMHO, would be nirvana - a way to connect PCs using analog radios, D-STAR radios, and the internet. > > Still doing some testing. I'm putting together a document with screenshots of the setup. Will post that if anyone is interested. > > > Dan > W4TO > |
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D-Rats, Packet, and UZ7HO
I've been playing around this weekend with D-Rats over packet, and have a fairly stable test bed running with three PCs. ?The goal was to connect non-DSTAR users using D-RATS without a lot of expense (ie, TNCs). ??
Until this weekend all of my attempts at this have used the free AGWPE on Win 7 and XP and Signalinks. ? I understand that it can be done, but I have never been able to make it work consistently. ?? Yesterday I had the idea of trying UZ7HO's soundmodem app in place of AGWPE. ?Wow, what a difference! ?Setup was very fast. ?I think the only thing I had to do to soundmodem was set the baud rate and select the right sound card source. ? ? D-Rats is set up as if it is connecting to AGWPE. ?Works great! ?? Now, I wish even more than every that someone could take a look at the D-RATS repeater app to try to fix the problem that keeps it from working with TNCs and AGWPE. ?That, IMHO, would be nirvana - a way to connect PCs using analog radios, D-STAR radios, and the internet. ? Still doing some testing. ?I'm putting together a document with screenshots of the setup. ?Will post that if anyone is interested. Dan W4TO |
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