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Springer73 Springer73 All Messages By This Member #198567 We are thinking of switching from the Clearone 880 DSP to BIAMP. ?Any suggestions on which model to go with for general university classrooms?
Robert Ray All Messages By This Member #198570 I've had good experience with the BiAmp.? If you go that direction I'd start by looking at the Nexias.? They have several variations depending on what you're doing. Are you just looking for program audio + voice reinforcement + Crestron Control or are you looking to have a remote learning and/or video conferencing component in them as well??
sound.scan All Messages By This Member #198572 We've started using the TesiraFORTE AI and VI (both the AVB and non-AVB versions) for a variety of projects. A nice little DSP swiss army knife. The AVB version allows for a lot more flexibility. Rock solid so far--which has consistently been the case with Biamp for us. They are 3-4X as powerful as the older Nexia line we were using on almost every project. That said, the Nexias still work great as well--depending on the project requirements.
Neil Dorin All Messages By This Member #198574 +1 for TesiraFORTE.? So much less headache controlling them from Crestron as they allow for subscription feeback. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:05 AM, sound.scan@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote: ? We've started using the TesiraFORTE AI and VI (both the AVB and non-AVB versions) for a variety of projects. A nice little DSP swiss army knife. The AVB version allows for a lot more flexibility. Rock solid so far--which has consistently been the case with Biamp for us. They are 3-4X as powerful as the older Nexia line we were using on almost every project. That said, the Nexias still work great as well--depending on the project requirements.
Springer73 Springer73 All Messages By This Member #198575 We are looking at voice and program plus the Crestron app. ? VTC would be another application also.
Bob Smith #198578 We work with both systems and the Biamp is by far superior.? We are currently installing The Biamp Tesira line and it is far superior in AEC convergence for ACS and VCS applications, it is also far superior when it comes to feedback suppression for voice lift scenarios.? Clearone is also out to lunch in there costing right now.? AVB provides super flexibility for large systems or for application where you need to install external mods in a teaching podium for example.? Crestron integration is a breeze!! On Friday, September 26, 2014 12:24 PM, "kellyhman@... [Crestron]" wrote: ? We are looking at voice and program plus the Crestron app. ? VTC would be another application also.
Andrew Welker #198579 One nice feature of the TesiraFORTE line is the USB I/O. You can connect it up to a computer that is running Skype or Lync and then use that application to do your conferencing, using the far superior AEC and processing available in the TesiraFORTE instead of the processing in the PC. You can run up to 8 channels of audio through the USB connector in either direction. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Bob Smith sbob1123@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote: ? We work with both systems and the Biamp is by far superior.? We are currently installing The Biamp Tesira line and it is far superior in AEC convergence for ACS and VCS applications, it is also far superior when it comes to feedback suppression for voice lift scenarios.? Clearone is also out to lunch in there costing right now.? AVB provides super flexibility for large systems or for application where you need to install external mods in a teaching podium for example.? Crestron integration is a breeze!! On Friday, September 26, 2014 12:24 PM, "kellyhman@... [Crestron]" <Crestron@...> wrote: ? We are looking at voice and program plus the Crestron app. ? VTC would be another application also. -- In Him, Andrew Welker
Brett Heroux All Messages By This Member #198582 I agree with all of the above posters regarding the Tesira Line. One thing to keep in mind if you are planning on creating a room standard is that Biamp is planning on phasing out the Nexia line very soon, atleast this is what I was told during Infocomm14 at the Biamp booth. Tesira line will be replacing it. Great product. Brett Heroux
geauxtig3rs All Messages By This Member #198590 TesiraForte and Tesira Server is so much better than the Nexia/AudiaFlex lines. ?The subscribed feedback method is worth the cost of admission.
Justin All Messages By This Member #198609 Even though it is not officially supported you can also hook up a TesiraFORTE over USB to a Crestron RL and actually have some decent audio for Lync conferencing. I have a few systems here running that setup and they work great. I really wish Biamp would make a USB card for the Tesira's
jbudz1977 All Messages By This Member #198620 I'll just add that I like the BSS London DSPs much better than the Biamp Nexia/Audia stuff I've worked with. ?The new Biamp products look much nicer and based on the impressions from the previous posts I'm excited to be working with them in upcoming projects. ?
[email protected] #198686 I Like Biamp for its customization, Have yet to use the Forte but like the idea of the USB for the capability for adding Skype/Lync.... Hate how the instance ID can be lost if a tech deletes a control, then adds it back. I Like Polycom SS, never had any issues. I Love Clearone, from a control standpoint. Its nice to get realtime feedback and if you use Macros for control, it can be a rock solid solution. Just deployed about 50 of these in the summer with no issues or calls. Techs can go in after and tweak input/output/mixer levels and adjust a macro for even more control and it never effects the integrated controls. I actually have a standard DSP that can be loaded into a 840T and 880T. Started using Processing buss A, B, C, & D, Faders 1, 2, 3, & 4. This way if the job has a need for more than 8 sets of controls or levels to be tracked, I have the engineer make sure the system adds the 880T which allows for more processing. ?
Andrew Welker #198688 Just use Instance ID Tags instead of the DSP assigned tags. Then as long as the control gets the correct instance ID tag, then it'll work no matter what the instance ID is. I don't remember the last time I used the assigned instance id. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:53 PM, cyberbri24@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote: ? I Like Biamp for its customization, Have yet to use the Forte but like the idea of the USB for the capability for adding Skype/Lync.... Hate how the instance ID can be lost if a tech deletes a control, then adds it back. I Like Polycom SS, never had any issues. I Love Clearone, from a control standpoint. Its nice to get realtime feedback and if you use Macros for control, it can be a rock solid solution. Just deployed about 50 of these in the summer with no issues or calls. Techs can go in after and tweak input/output/mixer levels and adjust a macro for even more control and it never effects the integrated controls. I actually have a standard DSP that can be loaded into a 840T and 880T. Started using Processing buss A, B, C, & D, Faders 1, 2, 3, & 4. This way if the job has a need for more than 8 sets of controls or levels to be tracked, I have the engineer make sure the system adds the 880T which allows for more processing. ? -- In Him, Andrew Welker
Neil Dorin All Messages By This Member #198695 开云体育 Ditto on the Nexia/Audia.? Tesira is the same concept except you get to create your own subscription name for feedback :).? toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Andrew Welker andrew.welker@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote: ? Just use Instance ID Tags instead of the DSP assigned tags. Then as long as the control gets the correct instance ID tag, then it'll work no matter what the instance ID is. I don't remember the last time I used the assigned instance id. On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:53 PM, cyberbri24@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote: ? I Like Biamp for its customization, Have yet to use the Forte but like the idea of the USB for the capability for adding Skype/Lync.... Hate how the instance ID can be lost if a tech deletes a control, then adds it back. I Like Polycom SS, never had any issues. I Love Clearone, from a control standpoint. Its nice to get realtime feedback and if you use Macros for control, it can be a rock solid solution. Just deployed about 50 of these in the summer with no issues or calls. Techs can go in after and tweak input/output/mixer levels and adjust a macro for even more control and it never effects the integrated controls. I actually have a standard DSP that can be loaded into a 840T and 880T. Started using Processing buss A, B, C, & D, Faders 1, 2, 3, & 4. This way if the job has a need for more than 8 sets of controls or levels to be tracked, I have the engineer make sure the system adds the 880T which allows for more processing. ? -- In Him, Andrew Welker
[email protected] #198760 I absolutely love the Open architecture in Biamp DSP's, we have been usind the TesiraFORTE line exclusively since it has been released. The crestron module works really well, and is easy to implement.
mark123abc0 All Messages By This Member #198784 Working in a large university, we have pretty much settled on the Biamp Nexia and now Tesira range, we have used clearone and others in the past. Due to price and features required we ended up settling on the Biamp.
andrew.tingen All Messages By This Member #198786 My old favorite DSP was the BSS Soundweb London's.? They have way more DSP power than a Audia or Nexia, they control over IP perfectly (serial is also an option for the old school people out there). They process commands MUCH faster (I've dumped a whole page of commands at once, and it processes every one and gives appropriate feedback like nothing's wrong.? Try that with a Audia!), and also has a subscription-based unsolicited feedback model.? I believe the price is comparable to Biamps, but I'm not sure.? In my opinion, they're much better DSP's, both in audio quality and control programming.? It's what I'd recommend for most classroom/university applications. My current favorite is the QSC Q-Sys line.? It's pretty much what someone would make if they designed a DSP system today from the ground up.? It's all networked (so it requires a GOOD switch), but gives you tons of features, multiple I/O options, perfect IP control, freaking TONS of DSP power, and some other cool stuff, like built-in media player, built-in SIP softphone, network stream Rx and Tx, etc.? It also offers various forms of redundancy, if you're doing something crazy.? I think it's a fair bit pricier than BiAmp/BSS systems though, but I don't deal with pricing.
Paul Armbruster #198914 The TesiraForte line would be the way to go if you're going BiAmp. They have better processing, lower cost, and have a VoIP version at the lowest going rate in the business. Their echo cancelation blows away ClearOne, and the don't have all of the "reload firmware to get rid of the buzz" (and other strange phenomenon) you get with ClearOne. That said, I prefer QSC DSPs. Once they introduce their product line competitive with the TesiraForte I'll be switching. It's not that the BiAmp is bad, it's the best out there for the money at the moment,? it's just that the QSC is better. Hope that helps, Paul

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