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i can control a 4th generation Apple TV OK CCD, but not the Fire TV
serial CEC commands are going back & forth, but i don't have control
CEC is turned on in the Fire TV
anyone make this work?
?mark
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Mark, ? The Fire TV uses RF type commands but can be controlled with the aid of an outboard “FLIRC” Widget, which is inserted into the Fire TV’s USB Port and provides IR type commands to be utilized. ? Available on the Interweb.? The FLIRC provides “Learning Capability” for IR commands and you essentially replicate the commands utilizing any remote that has the appropriate button types, i.e., Up/Dn/Left/Right/Enter, Menu, Play/Pause. ? Again, search for “FLIRC” widget on the internet. ? Good Luck. ? M S Moran ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of mark kaye
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [crestron] Crestron Certified Drivers - Fire TV 4K CEC - no control ? i can control a 4th generation Apple TV OK CCD, but not the Fire TV
serial CEC commands are going back & forth, but i don't have control
CEC is turned on in the Fire TV
anyone make this work?
?mark
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Plus 1 for flirc great little device?
On 14 Nov 2019, at 18:50, Michael S Moran < msmoran@...> wrote:
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Mark,
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The Fire TV uses RF type commands but can be controlled with the aid of an outboard “FLIRC” Widget, which is inserted into the Fire TV’s USB Port and provides IR type commands to be utilized.
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Available on the Interweb.? The FLIRC provides “Learning Capability” for IR commands and you essentially replicate the commands utilizing any remote that has the appropriate button types, i.e., Up/Dn/Left/Right/Enter, Menu, Play/Pause.
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Again, search for “FLIRC” widget on the internet.
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Good Luck.
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M S Moran
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of mark kaye
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 1:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [crestron] Crestron Certified Drivers - Fire TV 4K CEC - no control
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i can control a 4th generation Apple TV OK CCD, but not the Fire TV
serial CEC commands are going back & forth, but i don't have control
CEC is turned on in the Fire TV
anyone make this work?
?mark
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i must be slow today - sorry
where would i get the IR commands for the Fire TV to load?
?mark
update: OK, i see i can use any IR commands i choose & map them in the software - very cool!!
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still confused...
FLIRC is a USB dongle - only micro USB on the 4K Fire TV
i would need some sort of breakout cable to allow power via the micro USB port & the dongle on a standard USB?
?mark
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This is what I use on my FireTV at home?
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:42 PM mark kaye < markkaye@...> wrote: still confused...
FLIRC is a USB dongle - only micro USB on the 4K Fire TV
i would need some sort of breakout cable to allow power via the micro USB port & the dongle on a standard USB?
?mark
-- G Miller G Miller Designs and IntegrationPros (314) 550-2566 Skype: cidocs  
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Mark, ? I have the 4K version, which does have a standard USB port. ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of mark kaye
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 4:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] Crestron Certified Drivers - Fire TV 4K CEC - no control ? still confused...
FLIRC is a USB dongle - only micro USB on the 4K Fire TV
i would need some sort of breakout cable to allow power via the micro USB port & the dongle on a standard USB?
?mark
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It works very well, for me, so far. Good luck.? Best regards,
Michael S. Moran
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On Nov 14, 2019, at 4:14 PM, mark kaye <markkaye@...> wrote:
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i must be slow today - sorry where would i get the IR commands for the Fire TV to load? ?mark update: OK, i see i can use any IR commands i choose & map them in the software - very cool!!
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FLIRC - how did you manage long presses?
i.e. fast forward through multiple speeds
?mark
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CEC control of Fire TV 4K sticks using the "Crestron Certified Drivers Video Server CED v1.1"? has been rock solid for me.? In one configuration I have the FireTV 4K installed in a DMC-4KZ-HD in a DM-MD8x8 and another directly in a DM-MD6x4.? ?I have noticed that if FireTV 4K does stop responding, you need to power cycle the FireTV 4K stick to get it to respond.? I use up, down, left, right, select, exit, home, and menu.
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Jnardone_PDX +1 for me as the 4K FireTV stick has been working great over CEC with my 8x8, and I have the same occasional problem with it locking up and needing to be rebooted. Searching the internet, it looks like FireTV's are known to occasionally stop responding over CEC for some reason. I wasn't sold on it being a FireTV issue thinking it might be a Crestron issue but I wound up? confirming its the FireTV by waiting until mine locked up and then moving the HDMI cable over to a 2nd FireTV and Crestron controlled the other unit just fine, which proved it was the FireTV.
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If you simply unplugged and plugged the HDMI back into the original FireTV it also may have worked because it should renegotiate the CEC handshake.? I used a FireTV 4K at home from when it was released, until a few weeks ago when I replaced it with a Roku Ultra, and it made me realize how slow and buggy the FireTV products are.? I didn't bother integrating it with Crestron at home, because I don't have DM, and it still had to be rebooted pretty often.? The device isn't even powerful enough to stream HD videos from remote Plex servers.
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Well, the FTV is fine for me for some basic stuff mostly for the kids. Content is included in Amazon Prime and the device is cheap. Never had an issue with lock-ups (also 1st gen FTV). So no need to switch for me. And as long as there are customers who would like to integrate it, it will be a topic to be discussed.
Am 18.12.2019 14:54:40 schrieb Steve McNally <steve@...>: If you simply unplugged and plugged the HDMI back into the original FireTV it also may have worked because it should renegotiate the CEC handshake.? I used a FireTV 4K at home from when it was released, until a few weeks ago when I replaced it with a Roku Ultra, and it made me realize how slow and buggy the FireTV products are.? I didn't bother integrating it with Crestron at home, because I don't have DM, and it still had to be rebooted pretty often.? The device isn't even powerful enough to stream HD videos from remote Plex servers.
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I also switched from a FireTV to a Roku Ultra after changes killed the really nice module from the files section for the FireTV.??
The Crestron certified module works great.? It is fast and reliable.? I couldn't say the same for the Roku modules I tried from the file section.? That being said I am using one of the modules from the file section with the Crestron certified module for direct app selection so, for example, a single button press can navigate to Youtube.??
I remember that there was talk of the Crestron certified module being updated to support app selection but, since what I'm doing is working perfectly, I haven't kept up to see if there is a newer version.
Hope this helps
Jay
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Subject: Re: [crestron] Crestron Certified Drivers - Fire TV 4K CEC - no control
If you simply unplugged and plugged the HDMI back into the original FireTV it also may have worked because it should renegotiate the CEC handshake.? I used a FireTV 4K at home from when it was released, until a few weeks ago when I replaced it with a Roku Ultra, and it made me realize how slow and buggy the FireTV products are.? I didn't bother integrating it with Crestron at home, because I don't have DM, and it still had to be rebooted pretty often.? The device isn't even powerful enough to stream HD videos from remote Plex servers.
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FireTV's do have a few glitches that require reboot from time to time (not related to controlling them).? I have several FireTV 4K's, and I don't notice too big of a speed problem with them.? The Fire Stick is definately slower than the standard FireTV box, are you referring to the stick when doing a comparison, or is Roku that much smoother (even compared to the normal FireTV box)?? Having not used a Roku before, I've not compared them.? It's a shame that Amazon dropped the ADB support, I did not hear about this (that sucks!). The reason I think the FireTV still has an edge is that you can sideload android .apk's to them still, so they are widely popular for cheap Kodi boxes.? My only problem is they are a bit short on memory.? 8GB doesn't go far when you start installing a bunch of apps or have Kodi installed.? Roku's are very popular, but not very open or flexible to other things with them.? Unless they've changed, they were way more locked down that the alternatives (other than Apple) and so were not popular in the "alternative use" market.? FireTV's problem is they were great when they were released several years ago, but the spec's haven't kept pace.? The newer versions are dopping ethernet ports, and they are trying to add Alexa in instead of making a version with a faster processor or more memory.? I want something similar to the FireTV 4K, but faster, double the memory, and keep the built-in ethernet connector.? They can keep Alexa out of it for all I care, that is not what I want in a streaming box.? I also prefer an actual box that can sit on a shelf or near network connectors, and my AV receiver, and not "hang off the back of the TV from the HDMI connector (waiting to fall out). I would probably try out an NVidia shield as my next box, just for the openness of it, and I hear they are pretty fast running.? I would hope they have more than 8GB of memory too, and they still allow .apk sideloads. -- Jason Mussetter
Control Systems Designer
Mussetter Programming Services
www.mpsav.com
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I wasn't talking about the 4K stick, I was talking about original Fire TV 4K.? The Roku Ultra blows it out of the water.
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I might have spoke too soon about generally solid control of FireTV 4K over CEC.? I was testing the latest DB (crestron database 86.00.002.00 & device database?112.00.001.00)? and found the error log filling up from the Crestron Certified Video Server CED v1.1?driver module.? Functionality doesn't appear to be impacted.? I'm using the FireTV 4K driver Amazon Fire TV 4K_2.04.002.0031CEC.? The FireTV 4K stick is plugged into a DMC-4KZ-CO-HD in a DM-MD8X8 (CPU3) and has the latest digitalmedia firmware 3.02.12.??
Log File filling up with "Error ...CrestronCertifiedDriversVideoServerModule at line 945: Invalid remove length: 0? String length : 0"
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Gary Miller
Steve McNally