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Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The Devil's Spawn?
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The worst combine-able/divisible is trying to plan that out with only a 12 button controller in each side that has to include power,sources, source audio, and 4 individually adjustable mic inputs. At least with a touch panel you have a UI you can adjust.
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Subject: [Crestron] Combinable / Divisible Rooms
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Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
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Here's my favorite recent one: three rooms in a row divisible by two air walls, with two floorboxes in each room. Touchpanel on the wall in each room, plus touchpanels on three lecterns that they want to use at any of the six floorboxes and have everything magically work with no manual configuration. Divisible rooms are the fun part... On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Chip <cfm@...> wrote:
听Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The Devil's Spawn?
听- Chip
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My fun was 5 rooms side by side plus a control room. They wanted to use any combination of the 5 rooms also includes video conferencing, phone conferencing, recording of anything to DVR or DVD. Also the ability to route sources from another building. This one took me about 2 1/2 weeks to program. Knock on wood the rooms have been running since 2007. On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Jeremy Weatherford wrote: Here's my favorite recent one: three rooms in a row divisible by two
air walls, with two floorboxes in each room. Touchpanel on the wall
in each room, plus touchpanels on three lecterns that they want to use
at any of the six floorboxes and have everything magically work with
no manual configuration. Divisible rooms are the fun part...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Chip <cfm@...> wrote:
Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
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Divisible rooms are all about planning and ensuring that everyone agrees on the scope. If you get all of that agreed upon, then it is just the implementation of the pain...I mean plan. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Kris Kasprzyk <krisk@...>wrote: **
My fun was 5 rooms side by side plus a control room. They wanted to use
any combination of the 5 rooms also includes video conferencing, phone
conferencing, recording of anything to DVR or DVD. Also the ability to
route sources from another building. This one took me about 2 1/2 weeks to
program. Knock on wood the rooms have been running since 2007.
On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Jeremy Weatherford wrote:
Here's my favorite recent one: three rooms in a row divisible by two
air walls, with two floorboxes in each room. Touchpanel on the wall
in each room, plus touchpanels on three lecterns that they want to use
at any of the six floorboxes and have everything magically work with
no manual configuration. Divisible rooms are the fun part...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Chip <cfm@...> wrote:
Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel
pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The
Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
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They are fun. We just do it from a home page selection. Then I just have different main pages set up for the different configs. I have to admit the keypad one would be a true pain. The engineers think since it is less options the programming should be easier. Only if they knew that they just quadrupled our work with that design.
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Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The Devil's Spawn?
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Oh yeah because it is so easy to get every one to agree and stay agreed on the room function from beginning to end.
If you ever do figure out a way to do combine/uncombine rooms in an easy and robust fashion that can be used in more then one situation, i would like to see it chip.
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Divisible rooms are all about planning and ensuring that everyone agrees on
the scope. If you get all of that agreed upon, then it is just the
implementation of the pain...I mean plan.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Kris Kasprzyk
<krisk@...>wrote:
**
My fun was 5 rooms side by side plus a control room. They wanted to use
any combination of the 5 rooms also includes video conferencing, phone
conferencing, recording of anything to DVR or DVD. Also the ability to
route sources from another building. This one took me about 2 1/2 weeks to
program. Knock on wood the rooms have been running since 2007.
On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Jeremy Weatherford wrote:
Here's my favorite recent one: three rooms in a row divisible by two
air walls, with two floorboxes in each room. Touchpanel on the wall
in each room, plus touchpanels on three lecterns that they want to use
at any of the six floorboxes and have everything magically work with
no manual configuration. Divisible rooms are the fun part...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Chip <cfm@...> wrote:
Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel
pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The
Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
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Based on the reaction of my group it's not just you.
But I rather enjoy (especially with Crosspoints) room combining... it is, I dare say, my favorite* type of program to do -- and really not as bad as the amount of sighing that went around the room would make you think.
[As long as some hair-brained consultant didn't get the wonderful idea to put a single CODEC in the 6-way divisible room and allow any room section to "claim" it at any time. But I hate codec farms anyway]
Perhaps it's a sign of mental illness.
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Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The Devil's Spawn?
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It's called a contract.
All the parties read it. They make changes until it includes what they want. They sign it.
Once it's signed it doesn't change. If it does change, a change order is written and you repeat steps 1-3.
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-----Original Message----- From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Witmarquzot Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:30 PM To: Crestron@... Subject: [Crestron] Re: Combinable / Divisible Rooms Oh yeah because it is so easy to get every one to agree and stay agreed on the room function from beginning to end. If you ever do figure out a way to do combine/uncombine rooms in an easy and robust fashion that can be used in more then one situation, i would like to see it chip. --- In Crestron@..., crestronpro <crestronpro@...> wrote:
Divisible rooms are all about planning and ensuring that everyone agrees on
the scope. If you get all of that agreed upon, then it is just the
implementation of the pain...I mean plan.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Kris Kasprzyk
<krisk@...>wrote:
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My fun was 5 rooms side by side plus a control room. They wanted to use
any combination of the 5 rooms also includes video conferencing, phone
conferencing, recording of anything to DVR or DVD. Also the ability to
route sources from another building. This one took me about 2 1/2 weeks to
program. Knock on wood the rooms have been running since 2007.
On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Jeremy Weatherford wrote:
Here's my favorite recent one: three rooms in a row divisible by two
air walls, with two floorboxes in each room. Touchpanel on the wall
in each room, plus touchpanels on three lecterns that they want to use
at any of the six floorboxes and have everything magically work with
no manual configuration. Divisible rooms are the fun part...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Chip <cfm@...> wrote:
Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel
pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The
Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
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That depends. I actually enjoy the challenge if it's something the client uses regularly (read: the time and energy that went into developing the code/interface is used/appreciated).
It becomes The Devil's Spawn when someone attempts to implement splitting/combining in a space where it makes no sense and the client will ultimately never use one of the two modes.
Then there are the consultants/designers who think you can put a 15" touchpanel on one side of a room, an 8-button keypad on the other side, split the two apart and have them function identically. It's easy enough, I suppose, but I personally feel like 15" is a tad too much real estate for 8 buttons. Maybe if I bump the font size up to 72...
- Edward
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I did a system almost exactly like this. We used 5-pin XLR connectors in
the floor boxes and wired the pigtail to the I/O's on a master in the
lectern. We soldered the floorbox pins 1->2, 1->3, etc so the system would
know which box it was tied to. The lecterns were restricted to the 4
positions in their own room, though, and couldn't travel between rooms.
The really fun part of this system was each lectern had a DVI switcher and
a composite/audio switcher, these fed an upstream switcher in each room,
which also had outputs feeding a control room switcher, totalling 7 DVI
switchers and 3 A/V switchers. The audio fed 3 separate (but combinable)
biamp systems. It was insane.
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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Jeremy Weatherford <xidus.net@...>wrote: Here's my favorite recent one: three rooms in a row divisible by two
air walls, with two floorboxes in each room. Touchpanel on the wall
in each room, plus touchpanels on three lecterns that they want to use
at any of the six floorboxes and have everything magically work with
no manual configuration. Divisible rooms are the fun part...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Chip <cfm@...> wrote:
Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel
pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The
Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
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Wow Jeremy,
That sounds oddly similar to one I just completed for a conference center.
We got the entire system up an running but were having grief because the
sensors for the partitions were on the Lutron Grafik Eye QS system and we
couldn't poll for status. We only received a string for button press or
release as the sensor was tripped or not by the partition. Needless to
say, once in a blue moon the Lutron wouldn't correctly notify us of a
partition change and the rooms wouldn't combine/separate automatically. We
rewired so that we were connected to the sensors in parallel with the
Lutron system directly to I/Os on the PRO2 and it's been rock solid since...
It's amazing how clients think this stuff is so common and been done
"hundreds of times before" so why doesn't it just work perfectly....
I'm with Lincoln on the a) contract is key and b) use crosspoints. It
makes life soooooo easy logic wise...
-Neil
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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Jeremy Weatherford <xidus.net@...>wrote: **
Here's my favorite recent one: three rooms in a row divisible by two
air walls, with two floorboxes in each room. Touchpanel on the wall
in each room, plus touchpanels on three lecterns that they want to use
at any of the six floorboxes and have everything magically work with
no manual configuration. Divisible rooms are the fun part...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Chip <cfm@...> wrote:
Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel
pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The
Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
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With regard to the lectern in the various rooms, we have done them where we
TELNET to a HP ProCurve and do a MAC query to see which port a specific MAC
addresses is plugged into and that tells us where the podium has been
plugged into. We're usually looking for the MAC of a touchpanel or a slave
processor.
We provide a screen for a technician to change the various MACs that are
being looked for to account for equipment change/repair.
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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote: Wow Jeremy,
That sounds oddly similar to one I just completed for a conference center.
We got the entire system up an running but were having grief because the
sensors for the partitions were on the Lutron Grafik Eye QS system and we
couldn't poll for status. We only received a string for button press or
release as the sensor was tripped or not by the partition. Needless to
say, once in a blue moon the Lutron wouldn't correctly notify us of a
partition change and the rooms wouldn't combine/separate automatically. We
rewired so that we were connected to the sensors in parallel with the
Lutron system directly to I/Os on the PRO2 and it's been rock solid
since...
It's amazing how clients think this stuff is so common and been done
"hundreds of times before" so why doesn't it just work perfectly....
I'm with Lincoln on the a) contract is key and b) use crosspoints. It
makes life soooooo easy logic wise...
-Neil
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Jeremy Weatherford <xidus.net@...
wrote: **
Here's my favorite recent one: three rooms in a row divisible by two
air walls, with two floorboxes in each room. Touchpanel on the wall
in each room, plus touchpanels on three lecterns that they want to use
at any of the six floorboxes and have everything magically work with
no manual configuration. Divisible rooms are the fun part...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Chip <cfm@...> wrote:
Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel
pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The
Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
------------------------------------
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Database area.
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That sounds overly complicated...
We usually have an umbilical cable (bundle) for the podium that goes into
an EDAC connector in the floorbox. We simply jumper 2 pins on the podium
umbilical side and have 2 conductors from each floorbox location that go to
an I/O on the control processor. When one of the pairs closes, you know
where the podium is....
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With regard to the lectern in the various rooms, we have done them where we
TELNET to a HP ProCurve and do a MAC query to see which port a specific MAC
addresses is plugged into and that tells us where the podium has been
plugged into. We're usually looking for the MAC of a touchpanel or a slave
processor.
We provide a screen for a technician to change the various MACs that are
being looked for to account for equipment change/repair.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:
Wow Jeremy,
That sounds oddly similar to one I just completed for a conference center.
We got the entire system up an running but were having grief because the
sensors for the partitions were on the Lutron Grafik Eye QS system and we
couldn't poll for status. We only received a string for button press or
release as the sensor was tripped or not by the partition. Needless to
say, once in a blue moon the Lutron wouldn't correctly notify us of a
partition change and the rooms wouldn't combine/separate automatically. We
rewired so that we were connected to the sensors in parallel with the
Lutron system directly to I/Os on the PRO2 and it's been rock solid
since...
It's amazing how clients think this stuff is so common and been done
"hundreds of times before" so why doesn't it just work perfectly....
I'm with Lincoln on the a) contract is key and b) use crosspoints. It
makes life soooooo easy logic wise...
-Neil
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Jeremy Weatherford < xidus.net@...
wrote: **
Here's my favorite recent one: three rooms in a row divisible by two
air walls, with two floorboxes in each room. Touchpanel on the wall
in each room, plus touchpanels on three lecterns that they want to use
at any of the six floorboxes and have everything magically work with
no manual configuration. Divisible rooms are the fun part...
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Chip <cfm@...> wrote:
Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel
pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The
Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
------------------------------------
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A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in
the
Database area.
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Jeremy Weatherford
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+1 on the keypad.
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The worst combine-able/divisible is trying to plan that out with only a 12 button controller in each side that has to include power,sources, source audio, and 4 individually adjustable mic inputs. At least with a touch panel you have a UI you can adjust.
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From: Chip <cfm@...>
To: Crestron@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:23 PM
Subject: [Crestron] Combinable / Divisible Rooms
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Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
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A contact closure works in many instances. If you have 10 rooms each with a podium that can go into any room and each podium has a slave processor and a touchpanel, it becomes important to know which one is in which room. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:00 PM, lincster2010 <lincster2010@...>wrote: **
+1 on the keypad.
--- In Crestron@..., Dan Nosbusch <dannosbusch@...> wrote:
The worst combine-able/divisible is trying to plan that out with only a
12 button controller in each side that has to include power,sources, source
audio, and 4 individually adjustable mic inputs. At least with a touch
panel you have a UI you can adjust.
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To: Crestron@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:23 PM
Subject: [Crestron] Combinable / Divisible Rooms
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Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The
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Well my craziest system has 10 rooms, 6 of them divided by airsoft walls 2x3, with wall sensors + 4 adjacent rooms that had to be serve as overflow and divide/combine if necessary.
Plus 3 smart lecterns that can go into any room and control any space configuration. Control system always knew current space configuration and current lectern position (thanks to some Genius "GPS" system).
Know with space being 2x3 you would imagine there is over 30 possible configurations.
All client has to do it to connect power up lectern and he is good to go.
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Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The Devil's Spawn?
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I just did some DSP programming for a 3-room combine (with video) using only an RTI keypad in each room...
...thank god for the Soundweb London room combine module. Turned out OK, akshully.
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Are you talking about BSS?
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I just did some DSP programming for a 3-room combine (with video) using only an RTI keypad in each room...
...thank god for the Soundweb London room combine module. Turned out OK, akshully.
--- In Crestron@..., "Chip" <cfm@> wrote:
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The DSP was BSS Soundweb London, the control system was RTI
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Are you talking about BSS?
--- In Crestron@..., "kevinzolitor" <kevin@> wrote:
I just did some DSP programming for a 3-room combine (with video) using only an RTI keypad in each room...
...thank god for the Soundweb London room combine module. Turned out OK, akshully.
--- In Crestron@..., "Chip" <cfm@> wrote:
Is it just me, or is logic for managing combinable rooms (touch panel pages, A/V sources and their routing) the control system version of The Devil's Spawn?
- Chip
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