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Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro program -
pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes
completely - another installer I know is having the same issues .....
the program is taking 300,000 kb in memory - have an I-7 processor
with 6 gigs of ram
and am still having problems - with vt 3.8 and now with vt 3.9
thanks

You'll that typically with the older devices. TPS2000, TPS3000 etc...

Don't really know why. I know that 6L's and 8X's compile quickly, so
going back to update 2000's is just painful.

-JOHN

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@...>
wrote:

Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro program -
pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes
completely - another installer I know is having the same issues .....
the program is taking 300,000 kb in memory - have an I-7 processor
with 6 gigs of ram
and am still having problems - with vt 3.8 and now with vt 3.9
thanks

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@...>
wrote:

Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro program -
pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes
completely - another installer I know is having the same issues .....
the program is taking 300,000 kb in memory - have an I-7 processor
with 6 gigs of ram
and am still having problems - with vt 3.8 and now with vt 3.9
thanks

Thats odd because the program that is causing the most problems is
one for a TPS6L -

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@...> wrote:

Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro program -
pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes
completely -

I too am experiencing the hang at about 50% as it tries to do something with the fonts. It
always finishes eventually, however.

- Jeff

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@...>
wrote:

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@>
wrote:

Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro

program -

pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes
completely - another installer I know is having the same

issues .....

the program is taking 300,000 kb in memory - have an I-7 processor
with 6 gigs of ram
and am still having problems - with vt 3.8 and now with vt 3.9
thanks

Thats odd because the program that is causing the most problems is
one for a TPS6L -

I was having MASSIVE compile time problems with both VTPro-e and
SIMPL Windows for some time now - ever since I got my new computer
this past fall (a dual core T9300 laptop, 2GB RAM, XP Pro SP3,
etc.). Just yesterday I figured out what the problem was (after
trying a bunch of things with TB). When I got the new PC, my files
were moved from my C: drive to My Documents folder. The difference?
My Documents (here at the college, anyway) is configured by our IT
department as a network drive, not a local drive. It works great for
keeping things automatically backed up and accessible everywhere, but
it turns out that SIMPL and VTPro-e do NOT like to compile off of the
network. At all.

Interesting notes: when compiling from the network drive, it would
take upwards of 30 minutes to compile a SIMPL program with the MPS-
100 module in it. As soon as I copied it to the C drive, it took 14
seconds! Same with VTPro-e: I had a TPMC-15-QM panel that took 20
minutes to compile. Copied to C drive... compiles in less than 10
seconds!

Lesson for me: keep files on the C drive, back them up regularly via
some other method, and compile problems go away.

I really hope this helps solve your problems, I was extremely
frustrated with compile times for several months... so I know how you
feel.

Craig Underwood
Media Services Manager
Moravian College
Bethlehem, PA

I experience this problems on some panels as well but I just have to
wait a minute or two and it always finishes. I've found that I really
have to be careful not to use too many fonts in my projects as it
causes the compile time to slow down as wall as keeps the file size
too large for some panels. My recommendation to you is to eliminate
any unnecessary fonts and give it another go.

- Ccates



--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@...>
wrote:

Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro program -
pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes
completely - another installer I know is having the same issues .....
the program is taking 300,000 kb in memory - have an I-7 processor
with 6 gigs of ram
and am still having problems - with vt 3.8 and now with vt 3.9
thanks

--- In Crestron@..., "scates98" <ccates98@...> wrote:

I experience this problems on some panels as well but I just have to
wait a minute or two and it always finishes. I've found that I really
have to be careful not to use too many fonts in my projects as it
causes the compile time to slow down as wall as keeps the file size
too large for some panels. My recommendation to you is to eliminate
any unnecessary fonts and give it another go.

- Ccates

Thanks - the file size I am using with the tps6l is around 10 meg
however the panels capacity is 28 - when you say eliminate unnecessary
fonts do you mean the number of font styles or just text information?
Cheers

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@>
wrote:

Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro program -
pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes
completely - another installer I know is having the same issues .....
the program is taking 300,000 kb in memory - have an I-7 processor
with 6 gigs of ram
and am still having problems - with vt 3.8 and now with vt 3.9
thanks

How much memory is in your PC and what is the usage of the memory when you are compiling? Does it exceed the physical memory so that it starts swapping?



Chris

--- In Crestron@..., Chris Erskine <chris@...> wrote:

How much memory is in your PC and what is the usage of the memory

when you are compiling? Does it exceed the physical memory so that it
starts swapping?

Hey Chris

I have 6 gig of ddr3 memory but because I am using xp, the os only
sees 3.24 gig - vt uses 300,000 kb in memory usage when I working on
the program - am using the new I-7 intel processing ship as well -
the memory usage is so massive that I suspect it is the culprit but
my old pc using a P3 processor would use only 70-80000 kb of memory
when using vt.....

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On

Behalf Of Nightcountry

Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:49 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: vtpro-e hang time

--- In Crestron@..., "scates98" <ccates98@> wrote:

I experience this problems on some panels as well but I just have to
wait a minute or two and it always finishes. I've found that I really
have to be careful not to use too many fonts in my projects as it
causes the compile time to slow down as wall as keeps the file size
too large for some panels. My recommendation to you is to eliminate
any unnecessary fonts and give it another go.

- Ccates

Thanks - the file size I am using with the tps6l is around 10 meg
however the panels capacity is 28 - when you say eliminate unnecessary
fonts do you mean the number of font styles or just text information?
Cheers

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@>
wrote:

Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro program -
pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes
completely - another installer I know is having the same issues

.....

the program is taking 300,000 kb in memory - have an I-7 processor
with 6 gigs of ram
and am still having problems - with vt 3.8 and now with vt 3.9
thanks

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I do find that 6L's are slower than 8X, but not much and nowhere near
the drag that 2000's are.

I also found that my desktop takes longer to compile (quad core) than
my laptop (dual core).

-JOHN

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@...>
wrote:

--- In Crestron@..., Chris Erskine <chris@> wrote:

How much memory is in your PC and what is the usage of the memory

when you are compiling? Does it exceed the physical memory so that it
starts swapping?

Hey Chris

I have 6 gig of ddr3 memory but because I am using xp, the os only
sees 3.24 gig - vt uses 300,000 kb in memory usage when I working on
the program - am using the new I-7 intel processing ship as well -
the memory usage is so massive that I suspect it is the culprit but
my old pc using a P3 processor would use only 70-80000 kb of memory
when using vt.....

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On

Behalf Of Nightcountry

Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:49 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: vtpro-e hang time

--- In Crestron@..., "scates98" <ccates98@> wrote:

I experience this problems on some panels as well but I just have to
wait a minute or two and it always finishes. I've found that I

really

have to be careful not to use too many fonts in my projects as it
causes the compile time to slow down as wall as keeps the file size
too large for some panels. My recommendation to you is to eliminate
any unnecessary fonts and give it another go.

- Ccates

Thanks - the file size I am using with the tps6l is around 10 meg
however the panels capacity is 28 - when you say eliminate unnecessary
fonts do you mean the number of font styles or just text information?
Cheers

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@>
wrote:

Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro

program -

pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes
completely - another installer I know is having the same issues

.....

the program is taking 300,000 kb in memory - have an I-7 processor
with 6 gigs of ram
and am still having problems - with vt 3.8 and now with vt 3.9
thanks

------------------------------------

Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in

the Database area.

Yahoo!

Groups Links

It seems to hang when "exporting fonts" - do the TPS-6L and similar panels have a particular
set of fonts that work natively and don't need to be "exported?"

--- In Crestron@..., "jbudz1977" <jbudz1977@...> wrote:

It seems to hang when "exporting fonts" - do the TPS-6L and similar

panels have a particular

set of fonts that work natively and don't need to be "exported?"

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@> wrote:

Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro program -
pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes

What I found is that if you consolidate the fonts and don't use too many
the problem diminishes...

On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Nightcountry wrote:

What I found is that if you consolidate the fonts and don't use too many
the problem diminishes...

I'll second that.

After cutting/pasting, and adjusting, you can wind up with a bunch of fonts, some that aren't even displayed, for example a border as a background with no text. I had all these Arial fonts in my stuff, but I never use that horrible font. Cut down the compile time considerably - besides, it's not a very efficient way of managing stuff.

Heath

--- In Crestron@..., Heath Volmer <hvolmer@...> wrote:

After cutting/pasting, and adjusting, you can wind up with a bunch of
fonts, some that aren't even displayed, for example a border as a
background with no text. I had all these Arial fonts in my stuff, but
I never use that horrible font. Cut down the compile time
considerably - besides, it's not a very efficient way of managing stuff.

I understand that it would be nice to cut down on the number of fonts, but I don't think
that VTPROe used to hang like this. To experiment I created a new TPS-6L project with
only 1 page and only 6 text objects on the page. Each one was the same font only in
different sizes. Every font that I add, and every size in that font adds to the compile time.

I was working in a room with 2 TPS-6L panels and was troubleshooting some problems
and every time I wanted to change something on the panels I was in for at least 10
minutes of compile and upload time. I became very frustrated. It would be nice if the
touchpanel remembered the exported fonts in the same way that you don't have to upload
all of the graphics every time you upload to the panel.

Xpanel and TPMC panels compile quickly because they natively support fonts. On the TPS
panels I couldn't find any fonts that didn't choke VTPROe on compile - even the Crestron
fonts take the same amount of time.

Perhaps it's a Mac / VM problem - I don't remember it being this bad when I was on my
old Dell.

- Jeff

--- In Crestron@..., "jbudz1977" <jbudz1977@...> wrote:

--- In Crestron@..., Heath Volmer <hvolmer@> wrote:

After cutting/pasting, and adjusting, you can wind up with a

bunch of

fonts, some that aren't even displayed, for example a border as

a

background with no text. I had all these Arial fonts in my

stuff, but

I never use that horrible font. Cut down the compile time
considerably - besides, it's not a very efficient way of managing

stuff.

I understand that it would be nice to cut down on the number of

fonts, but I don't think

that VTPROe used to hang like this. To experiment I created a new

TPS-6L project with

only 1 page and only 6 text objects on the page. Each one was the

same font only in

different sizes. Every font that I add, and every size in that

font adds to the compile time.

I was working in a room with 2 TPS-6L panels and was

troubleshooting some problems

and every time I wanted to change something on the panels I was in

for at least 10

minutes of compile and upload time. I became very frustrated. It

would be nice if the

touchpanel remembered the exported fonts in the same way that you

don't have to upload

all of the graphics every time you upload to the panel.

Xpanel and TPMC panels compile quickly because they natively

support fonts. On the TPS

panels I couldn't find any fonts that didn't choke VTPROe on

compile - even the Crestron

fonts take the same amount of time.

Perhaps it's a Mac / VM problem - I don't remember it being this

bad when I was on my

old Dell.

- Jeff

Hi,
I agree with you Jeff. This doesn't seem to be a problem related to
the number of fonts. I experienced this imideately after I got my new
Vista laptop. The old one (with XP) does not hang (at least not for
more than a couple of seconds) at the point where the Vt-pro compiles
the fonts.
So - my conclution is that this is could be a Vista related problem.

Jon

Hi,
I agree with you Jeff. This doesn't seem to be a problem related to
the number of fonts. I experienced this imideately after I got my new
Vista laptop. The old one (with XP) does not hang (at least not for
more than a couple of seconds) at the point where the Vt-pro compiles
the fonts.
So - my conclution is that this is could be a Vista related problem.

Jon

Jon,

I think that every font and every size you use adds to the compile time. If you use ariel in
8pt, 10pt, 14pt and 18pt it takes the same time as compiling 4 different fonts. I'm not
using Vista, I'm using WinXP under VMware on a Mac. I think during the summer they
changed something in the way VTPROe compiles fonts for TPS touchpanels.

I was working on a TPMC-8X yesterday and it was such a pleasure to have it compile in
just a few seconds.

The long complie time for the TPS panels isn't that big of an issue except when I'm trying
to debug or when I'm dealing with multiple panels in a system.

- Jeff